List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[The Nostradamus]

The Nostradamus

just throw him into the parker deal
should be easy to do

as mentioned konstanty and parker have the same management so we are already talking to sydney and their agent

Yep, I am doing a future 2nd for him. It would be nice to get something back but I would do it even if we didn’t.

I know it’s overs, but a bigger risk would be to not take him IMHO.

fair enough
i like Daniel but not that much

 

[GoRoos2023]

Well pies aren't going to be able to do that either!


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Yeah, that's what I don't get; pies will be 13 and 23, apparently.

 

[New_Roo]

Anyone want to trade Harry Sheezel or George Wardlaw for Jack Sinclair

35

Jack Sinclair

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

235.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

376.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

MG

138.2

3star

or Adam Saad

42

Adam Saad

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

?

No?

You sure?

Well that's where we'd be at trading picks 3 or 4 for an AA HB from the same year.

Screw your ****ing heads back on.

Ridiculous post, a lot of big unknowns and assumptions in there


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[GS WARRIORS]

I think the top ~3 will be better than this year, but then the quality drops quickly after that.

Is Durrsma one of these and if not where do you have him?

 

[New_Roo]

Anyone want to trade Will Phillips for Dan Houston?

Exactly!


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[New_Roo]

And even then we're talking about next years draft in all likelihood.

It's so easy to make that post but at the same time, you could ask if you'd trade Will Phillips for a 27yo two time AA.

The gamble of trading futures is always you're betting against the quality of the potential draftee while also betting for your team improving at a greater rate.

And worse case if it turns out n amazing draft we can get back in it....


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[AnEmptyChair]

I think we flick that switch when we can realistically expect to be challenging for the top 8.

then we lose our best player next year which puts it back even further and delivers a genuinely crippling blow to the club in the process

 

[DrZaius]

The fact that Carlton would rather go to the draft than give up their 1st and Collingwood don't seem to want to give up more than a mid 1st should tell us all we need to know what clubs consider to be his value, yet with each passing day in this thread the legend of Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

grows and grows.

He's not single handedly dragging us up the ladder next year, he's not worth dropping back out of the top 5 of the draft this year, and he's not worth gambling our future first for either.

I swear half the people gagging for us to overpay hadn't even heard of him until a few weeks ago.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Norths overall improvement won’t come from adding 1 or 2 gun players. It will come from overall buy in with respect to Clarko’s game plan and the necessary fitness needed to play it for 4 quarters across 26 games. We have targeted Darling and Parker to try and facilitate this. Huston would be great. He isn’t turning us into an 8 win team unless the above happens.

 

[buttox]

so you are willing to trade a future second for caleb?

we need something coming back our way on top of it

future second for caleb daniel and a future 3rd

then use that future 3rd with pick 62 to get parker

turn a future second and pick 62 into daniel and parker

The second round looks like starting post pick 30 next year.
I'm OK with trading it I reckon.
It's not ideal but it is what it is

 

[Zondor]

I think the top ~3 will be better than this year, but then the quality drops quickly after that.

So do you think that trading out our Future 1st would be a good or bad move? Apologies in advance if you have already stated your opinion on this. :stern look

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

Anyone want to trade Harry Sheezel or George Wardlaw for Jack Sinclair or Adam Saad?

No?

You sure?

Well that's where we'd be at trading picks 3 or 4 for an AA HB from the same year.

Screw your ****ing heads back on.

You say that like Sheezel/Wardlaw level talents come every year. You won't get someone as good as Sheezel for at least another ten years. This is exactly like me saying: Anyone want to trade the next Toumpas for Jack Sinclair or Adam Saad? Yes?

 

[New_Roo]

Yeah, that's what I don't get; pies will be 13 and 23, apparently.

Also plus Richards thrown in but neither of those picks they actually have yet....


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[justroyal]

Anyone want to trade Will Phillips for Dan Houston?

Ldu, George, Sheezel, Duursma and McKercher. Our top five picks over the year. Phillips being from the Covid era coupled with his kissing disease bs, is about 1 off in 6.

Yeah, we had 2-3 drafts of good picks. But we also had about 15 years of jack shit.

If Houston was 22-26, sure. But we’re not premiership assaulting anything. He is either 3 years too late for us or 3 years too early.

 

[New_Roo]

The fact that Carlton would rather go to the draft than give up their 1st and Collingwood don't seem to want to give up more than a mid 1st should tell us all we need to know what clubs consider to be his value, yet with each passing day in this thread the legend of Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

grows and grows.

He's not single handedly dragging us up the ladder next year, he's not worth dropping back out of the top 5 of the draft this year, and he's not worth gambling our future first for either.

I swear half the people gagging for us to overpay hadn't even heard of him until a few weeks ago.

Carlton are in a much stronger position than us! They will value the draft more than us. We value mature 27 yrs old more


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[tazaa]

amaz199 Carlton no longer in the race
Have to claim this haha

Good sauceeee

 

[Souup]

then we lose our best player next year which puts it back even further and delivers a genuinely crippling blow to the club in the process

LDU will re-sign regardless of whether or not we have Houston.

This narrative that we'll lose LDU, or some other quality player if we don't start giving up 1st rounders for established players is finding a reason to get worked up that is not based in reality.

The club is moving in the right direction and the players know it.

 

[New_Roo]

LDU will re-sign regardless of whether or not we have Houston.

He won't re-sign if we finish bottom 2 again though


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[Souup]

Is Durrsma one of these and if not where do you have him?

Duursma isn't one of them - I'd have him closer to 10 than 1 but I haven't sat down as created rankings.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Duursma isn't one of them - I'd have him closer to 10 than 1 but I haven't sat down as created rankings.

I'm imagining Zeke Uwland is in most analysts top 3 at this stage, meaning one of the top prospects is off the board from the get go.

 

[Moti]

I think the top ~3 will be better than this year, but then the quality drops quickly after that.

How does that differ from this time last year on this year's crop?

 

[Souup]

How many of those are academy kids?

One - Uwland

 

[Roosurgence]

then we lose our best player next year which puts it back even further and delivers a genuinely crippling blow to the club in the process

If LDU is judging the club on our trade and draft dealings of this year then we may as well trade him this year.

You don’t trade and draft to keep one player.

That’s such a “the sky is falling” mentality.

You draft and trade to improve the list overall in the short or long term, not to appease a single player.

What would any player, whether it’s LDU or not want? Short term success but never the ultimate or the club setting itself up to have a chance of achieving the ultimate?

 

[Souup]

How does that differ from this time last year on this year's crop?

I was pretty low on the top end of this crop other than FO'S, who's only dropped in how I rate him over the course of this year (but I still have him #1)

 

[Makeshift Park]

One - Uwland

So as things stand, there will be two kids on the open market shaping up as better prospects than any those available this year.

It sounds like we'd have to be very pessimistic about our chances of getting out of the bottom 2 in 2025 to fret over trading our F1 into this year's first round then.