List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

travelli · 2024-10-16T21:16:31+1100

No.2: Jagga Smith - Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro

Position: Midfielder

Height: 181cm

A contested midfield beast, Smith showed his ability to win the ball in congestion during the Under 18 championships.

Smith had the most disposals for Vic Metro, averaging 29.3 and also went at an impressive 82 per cent disposal efficiency.

He also helped clinch the title for Vic Metro by winning the final clearance of the game to help set up Luke Trainor's winning goal.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-16T21:17:00+1100

HBFlanker said:
Konstanty for free levels out the overpay for Daniel

brady got saved from himself
was going to spend a future first on houston

but cos we missed got an extra list spot to get konstanty included

we were going to be without a future first and konstanty but wouldve had houston

Roostorm · 2024-10-16T21:17:29+1100

Roostorm said:
Can confirm Brady has a party pie….l repeat party pie

Serious question…does anyone know if Brady ate it after completing his cooking session…

The Filth Wizard · 2024-10-16T21:17:50+1100

I think I heard Marty Pask say we only gave Daniel one extra year.

Tas · 2024-10-16T21:18:09+1100

It is a shame we didn't pick up a future 2nd and 3rd round pick last year when we had a ton of picks and at the time and were cashing in the future pick assistance.

It is as if we had no plans to pick up more mature players and we just assume we would get natural improvement. It seems from a list management perspective we altered course and it left us with compromising our draft hand this year. It doesn't give a lot of confidence in the list management tbh, we still have a lot of holes in the list structure-wise. How many years is ti going to take to get the structure of the list right?

Time for some brutal honesty. Players that wont be around in 3+ years time:
Corr
McDonald
Kallan Dawson
Pink
Ste[jemspm
Coleman-Jones
Lazzaro (still no contract)

Players not great in their current role:
Tucker
Stephen
Simpkin
Fisher
Ford
Bergman

I've left out rookies, despite our departures already I can easily list a dozen guys who aren't that great.

People can bitch about bringing in Darling, Parker, Daniels, etc but they are walk up start a mile better than what we have going around and people are pissy because we paid a grand total of a second and third round pick.

I think my major gripe is a lot of this reconstruction of the list should have occurred two years ago, Logue was the only quality inclusion. You can't blame the people here for things done before their time but we have held onto low output players like Stephenson and Taylor for too long.

I am pretty happy with the inclusions, I am not happy that it took so long and we made no plans to do prior to this year and the opportunity cost is we had to trade out picks where there are a lot of good options in this draft, that is part of the price of us not executing the off-field stuff as well as we should.

jay317 · 2024-10-16T21:18:34+1100

44 for Parker and K-man is fine
25 for Daniel is a reaming

"We'd like to bring in some experience without diluting our draft hand"
Checks remaining picks....

Now we'll be forced to take unders on 2 or future picks

TennisPlayerAndy · 2024-10-16T21:19:23+1100

Waynesworld said:
Yep but it wasn’t, and probably was never going to happen.

You know, if my auntie had balls she’d be my uncle kind of thing?

So Clarko wanted an experienced half back, and he wanted someone to step in now rather than risking a long term draft pick.

So we gave four years to Fisher just to replace him with a smaller, less defensively gifted fringe player from a club in a similar ladder position?

Genius.

Jeremy Jordan · 2024-10-16T21:20:43+1100

jay317 said:
44 for Parker and K-man is fine
25 for Daniel is a reaming

"We'd like to bring in some experience without diluting our draft hand"
Checks remaining picks....

Now we'll be forced to take unders on 2 or future picks

What would you have given up for Daniel?

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T21:20:56+1100

The Filth Wizard said:
I think I heard Marty Pask say we only gave Daniel one extra year.

Twomey said it in the broadcast too.

CharlieMortdecai · 2024-10-16T21:21:06+1100

THE_GUN said:
Nobody is giving 6 & 10/11

1-7/8 is similar this draft

anyway good luck

I think you're right. I wonder if adding a future 2nd would be enough to move it from 18 to 10/11

LuvtheKangas · 2024-10-16T21:22:00+1100

Tas said:
It is a shame we didn't pick up a future 2nd and 3rd round pick last year when we had a ton of picks and at the time and were cashing in the future pick assistance.

It is as if we had no plans to pick up more mature players and we just assume we would get natural improvement. It seems from a list management perspective we altered course and it left us with compromising our draft hand this year. It doesn't give a lot of confidence in the list management tbh, we still have a lot of holes in the list structure-wise. How many years is ti going to take to get the structure of the list right?

Time for some brutal honesty. Players that wont be around in 3+ years time:
Corr
McDonald
Kallan Dawson
Pink
Ste[jemspm
Coleman-Jones
Lazzaro (still no contract)

Players not great in their current role:
Tucker
Stephen
Simpkin
Fisher
Ford
Bergman

I've left out rookies, despite our departures already I can easily list a dozen guys who aren't that great.

People can bitch about bringing in Darling, Parker, Daniels, etc but they are walk up start a mile better than what we have going around and people are pissy because we paid a grand total of a second and third round pick.

I think my major gripe is a lot of this reconstruction of the list should have occurred two years ago, Logue was the only quality inclusion. You can't blame the people here for things done before their time but we have held onto low output players like Stephenson and Taylor for too long.

I am pretty happy with the inclusions, I am not happy that it took so long and we made no plans to do prior to this year and the opportunity cost is we had to trade out picks where there are a lot of good options in this draft, that is part of the price of us not executing the off-field stuff as well as we should.

Agreed, I can't see Ste[jemspm being there much longer.

Roostorm · 2024-10-16T21:22:07+1100

SpiderBurton22 said:
Do not ever come to Warrnambool and ask for a party pie.

It is like asking for a parmi.

I know..the natives here are very particular about it their ….Warnie traditions….…nibbles it is…(but l still remember party pie growing up in Benders

) find it funny though when you walk into the supermarkets its the name that won’t be named….oh the angst

….

perplexed · 2024-10-16T21:22:09+1100

Istanbul Roo said:
Except that Hannaford is like Konstanty when he was drafted, merely fantastic potential ...

Hannaford could be anything and his intensity is manic. Much better skills and can play anywhere on the ground.

Konstanty, from what I have seen, is more of a defensive forward. Good pressure but not so much of an offensive threat.

gerry101101 · 2024-10-16T21:22:46+1100

I know we could possibly have squeezed more out of the Daniel deal and the Darling and George Kostanza picks are a bit of a wait-and-see what they can offer, but I think on balance we win the premiership next year.

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T21:23:20+1100

If we manufacture 2 + f2 for

one of tauru or armstrong
one of berry or hannaford
one of whitlock or gerreyn or faull

Happy to declare this offseason an unequivocal success.

Themanbun · 2024-10-16T21:25:44+1100

So how do we line up next year?

FB: Corr ~ Logue ~ Archer
HB: Goater ~ Comben ~ Daniel
C: McKercher ~ Parker ~ Scott
HF: Zurhaar ~ Darling ~ Simpkin
FF: Fisher\Konstanty/RHJ ~ Larkey ~ Curtis

R: Xerri ~ Sheezel ~ LDU

INT: Wardlaw ~ Powell (5th onballer? HBF relief) ~ one of the three I listed in the pocket ~ Duursma/Tucker?

My guess is one of Fisher or Tucker get included for their versatility. Not sure if we'll play a proper second ruck like Teakle?

I'm not sure how we play this many onballers and I feel we need Parker to play a decent amount of midfield time. Simpkin to a wing? I dunno.

hurricane · 2024-10-16T21:25:47+1100

TennisPlayerAndy said:
So we gave four years to Fisher just to replace him with a smaller, less defensively gifted fringe player from a club in a similar ladder position?

Genius.

Alternatively, we gave four years to Fisher to provide run from half back and then added elite ball use by recruiting an AA, B&F winning defender from a finals side.

chubbspeterson · 2024-10-16T21:27:11+1100

The Filth Wizard said:
I think I heard Marty Pask say we only gave Daniel one extra year.

Does that mean Dogs are paying his salary for the first three years?

Snowy off the Tram · 2024-10-16T21:27:23+1100

TennisPlayerAndy said:
Daniel hits targets.

Short, lateral nothing kicks.

We have six others on the list to do that already.

Good stuff Brady.

Yeah the six others miss their targets, that’s the problem. Even dinky 25m kicks sideways. In the history of the game, it’s possible no backline has missed more targets than McDonald, Fisher, Scott, Corr and co. So, for all his other shortcomings (!), Daniel has one elite trait: kicking. And no team needs that more than we do.

Waynesworld · 2024-10-16T21:27:33+1100

TennisPlayerAndy said:
So we gave four years to Fisher just to replace him with a smaller, less defensively gifted fringe player from a club in a similar ladder position?

Genius.

Fringe player from a club in a similar position?

C’mon man…

Horizons_00 · 2024-10-16T21:27:37+1100

TennisPlayerAndy said:
So we gave four years to Fisher just to replace him with a smaller, less defensively gifted fringe player from a club in a similar ladder position?

Genius.

I think Fisher should be half forward / wing

DunderHead · 2024-10-16T21:29:28+1100

Daniel never openly said trade me to North. I think he’s happy for the opportunity but if didn’t happen he’d continue to work on being picked each week for a strong side like the dogs - continuing to be paid good money.

We needed to make it happen not the other way around. It’s sucks. There will be a good role player at 25 that would help us with list balance. But you can’t have everything.

I’m looking forward to the group we put together last year going through another pre-season together.

Not sure what we do at the draft. I’d be happy to just grab the best kid at 2. I think FOS is top class and can play lots of roles. He just didn’t get a good run of games this year. I suspect he’s probably the best performed kid over the last 3 years. That probably doesn’t mean as much when your worst year is the top age year.

Flawed Genius · 2024-10-16T21:30:48+1100

LuvtheKangas said:
Agreed, I can't see Ste[jemspm being there much longer.

Our Danish/Estonian academy producing the goods though. Exciting times

perplexed · 2024-10-16T21:31:08+1100

Makeshift Park said:
If we manufacture 2 + f2 for

one of tauru or armstrong
one of berry or hannaford
one of whitlock or gerreyn or faull

Happy to declare this offseason an unequivocal success.

2 + F2 for 10, 11, 20?

Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt Richmond will hand over 6. They need one of everything, and it's a good spot to take your favourite tall.

Ashley B · 2024-10-16T21:32:40+1100

Flawed Genius said:
Our Danish/Estonian academy producing the goods though. Exciting times

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