List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[Ichiro #51]

There'll be a party at North's joint in 2-3 years we'll need a bouncer at the door for.

Ideally enforcing a strict “no ports” policy.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Houston is a proven player - draft picks are a lucky dip.

Splitting pick 2 for a 6/12 and handing 12 over to poort won’t be the end of the world but could help us move up. Will also make us more attractive to other players looking to move.

Stop using logic to make a point. This is Bigfooty!

A dual AA HB player, a speculative pick 6 on say an Armstrong or Shanahan would allow us to move, one or both of Mckercher and Fisher up the field.

Do we really need to possibly burn pick 2 on a bust midfielder in an even draft? Particularly, if Parker is already on our radar.

Logic would dictate that Carlton should have kept Kennedy and Fev and used pick 3 and 20 on more mids.

In our case, splitting could solve some problems with less risk.

 

[DocSholl]

May as well trade your top pick every year if your logic is "we could draft a bust"

 

[lockheed]

The O. Lord by me a Mercedes Benz

My friends all have small pressure forwards. I must make amends.

 

[zoomba23]

Last year we had Ziebell, Cunnington, Goldstein, Thomas and Kayne Turner who were all either talented or strong enough to finish a game. They are all done this year but that experience and talent in Thomas' case makes a huge difference just in being able to finish games.

Last year we had no patches where we tore teams apart for extended periods but then gave up big leads. We couldn't even play like that most of the year. Teams just outplayed us across games. The players that did that good stuff this year will be older ie stronger and fitter, this year so theoretically they should be able to maintain that effort for longer and not lose games at the death.

Good points. I'm still unconvinced as to whether playing like million dollar men for a quarter and a half and playing like garbage for most of the rest of it is better than sticking with teams and being slightly outclassed. I'd say Cunners was cooked, so cross him off, but the rest of them, fair enough, especially Thomas.

 

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Parfitt would be handy as a DFA.

 

[zoomba23]

Amen.

The ability to win it inside and deliver it outside and kick goals? If he'd applied himself to football with as much commitment as he applied to being a shit bloke then not only do I think he would have been a player he'd have been in the league's top handful

There you go

 

[King Corey]

There'll be a party at North's joint in 2-3 years we'll need a bouncer at the door for.

VAFA premiership?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

May as well trade your top pick every year if your logic is "we could draft a bust"

I know this is slight exaggeration, but Geelong have been doing this - give or take a few AFL first round hand outs - for the last 15 years.

 

[Chip Scab1]

The individual we are building around is Sheezel.

There are players who have shown they can currently play elite seasons:
LDU, Xerri, Larkey

That is our current core. All of whom are young enough to be playing elite footy when Sheezel is physically mature.

You can split the rest of the group into:

• Developing with potential but raw
• Further along the development curve (there is a mix here of elite potential and above average/average potential)
• would need to have something change to climb out of average
• not the answer long term, will likely put themselves through the grinder for the club in the short term
• Not gonna make it

Ok, got an answer (and a good one at that).

I was wondering for a good hour or so what or who was our core.

Larkey, LDU, Xerri, Harry, George, Duursma, McKercher, Simpkin, Scott, Corr! We are only part way to establishing the core there.

Only one of them may not be playing in 2027, but could be if all goes swimmingly in the next 2 years.

What would you do OF? In all honesty, I can see both sides of the argument and don't think it's clear either way.

I'm firmly in the don't trade with Port under any circumstances bandwagon as well. Not that they don't have something we need, but they just know how to beat us at trading, we are a soft target for them and I feel that will continue for some time, unfortunately.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

I know this is slight exaggeration, but Geelong have been doing this - give or take a few AFL first round hand outs - for the last 15 years.

True and in our case we were talking about splitting ours for a particular draft.

No idea if Houston is interested but the possibility of starting to even up our inside 50 count with him at HB and Mckercher/Fisher up the field may get a few more wins and attract some FA/trade prospects later. Plus we need the LDUs to actually sign.

Even if we wanted another mid at 6 and a tall at 10/12, there seems to be a blanket of mids that could go either at 2, or 6.

 

[DocSholl]

I know this is slight exaggeration, but Geelong have been doing this - give or take a few AFL first round hand outs - for the last 15 years.

We probably could too if we could consistently find talent from other avenues the way they do

(Not against Houston either, just the logic that we should trade a top three pick because draft picks aren't guaranteed is flawed)

 

[Mute Point]

Ollie Lord = The Palmerston

The Fried Chicken Trolley

(For those old enough to remember )

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

True and in our case we were talking about splitting ours for a particular draft.

No idea if Houston is interested but the possibility of starting tot even up our inside 50 count with him at HB and Mckercher/Fisher up the field may get a few more wins and attract some FA/trade prospects later. Plus we need the LDUs to actually sign.

Even if we wanted another mid at 6 and a tall at 10/12, there seems to be a blanket of mids that could go either at 2, or 6.

Absolutely. Look, it’s encouraging at least that the heads at North are doing what they can to try to attract quality, attract needs and be pragmatic with the 24 & 25 draft picks.

Enough is enough, we need at least 100% improvement on this season in 2025. Given some luck, North staff should be thinking that six wins is a pass, 8 a distinction and 10 an HD.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Ok, got an answer (and a good one at that).

I was wondering for a good hour or so what or who was our core.

Larkey, LDU, Xerri, Harry, George, Duursma, McKercher, Simpkin, Scott, Corr! We are only part way to establishing the core there.

Only one of them may not be playing in 2027, but could be if all goes swimmingly in the next 2 years.

What would you do OF? In all honesty, I can see both sides of the argument and don't think it's clear either way.

I'm firmly in the don't trade with Port under any circumstances bandwagon as well. Not that they don't have something we need, but they just know how to beat us at trading, we are a soft target for them and I feel that will continue for some time, unfortunately.

If you're going to have Simpkin and Corr as part of our core, then you may as well add LMac. That wouldn't make it right either. Therein lies our problem. Whilst these guys are still considered part of our core, we are going nowhere fast.

 

[Topparoo]

There'll be a party at North's joint in 2-3 years we'll need a bouncer at the door for.

To stop people from leaving early

 

[Shagga is all Class]

We probably could too if we could consistently find talent from other avenues the way they do

(Not against Houston either, just the logic that we should trade a top three pick because draft picks aren't guaranteed is flawed)

And where would we be if West Coast didn't split theirs, a couple seasons back?

For a particular draft, it suited the teams involved.

Anyone who can pick the top 6 mids in the order they go this draft should buy a lotto ticket.

 

[New_Roo]

Strange comparison given the age difference. Future third is steak knives - not a 7 pick upgrade in the first round. So let’s be generous and say he was traded for roughly a mid/high teens pick, I’d be fine paying that for Houston.

Agree anywhere from 10-15 is probably what he is worth, but given where we are, who we are we will have to pay overs which much be abit lower. Ideally most would want something back from the F1 most agree with that...


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[DocSholl]

And where would we be if West Coast didn't split theirs, a couple seasons back?

For a particular draft, it suited the teams involved.

Anyone who can pick the top 6 mids in the order they go this draft should buy a lotto ticket.

I was more responding to the counter argument of picking a bust midfielder at 2. You could just as easily split and then pick two busts.

I think splitting 2 makes sense but it's pretty rare a team gives up two very good picks for one better one. The WC trade is a.bit of an anomaly and was due to them targeting WA players.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Parfitt would be handy as a DFA.
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I'd happily take him. Can play multiple roles, has good defensive intensity and is a player in the age bracket where we lack.

He'd increase our depth considerably.

 

[New_Roo]

Who are the core?

it's 2 more, if you can count which i doubt!

We have drafted Dawson and Coad, yay 2 KPP and our best player just turned 20 and polled what, 14 votes in 3 winning games!

Logue, Jy, LDU, Larkey Bull, Chom X Scott... then can add role players like Tucker and Stepho if still with us...



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[RossHenshaw]

I'd happily take him. Can play multiple roles, has good defensive intensity and is a player in the age bracket where we lack.

He'd increase our depth considerably.

Same .. he’d be a huge improvement on Lazzaro

 

[New_Roo]

Can we please, just never again deal with Port?

When there are only 17 clubs to deal with, wiping one out is pure negligence... every club has had bad trades not gone their way, you just move on plus different people maybe involved both sides...

Coll just paid what close to a top 5 pick for Schultz with Freo.... I'm sure they will get over it!


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[New_Roo]

Very much agree with your second sentence, I wonder if the eagles would agree with your first re: Kelly.

Kelly was three firsts wasn't it, a little diff


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[New_Roo]

Houston is a proven player - draft picks are a lucky dip.

Splitting pick 2 for a 6/12 and handing 12 over to poort won’t be the end of the world but could help us move up. Will also make us more attractive to other players looking to move.

12 is what Carlton are trying to attract him with... unfort if we want needs to be better than that


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