List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

[New_Roo]

Do you think we'll be bottom 2 next season?

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You can't judge that from now.... 7 mths away, all depends on the success of the trade and draft period and then a solid pre season


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[Shinboner1]

In all seriousness…
There would have been a melt down here if we would have picked a 168cm midget ahead of Duursma last draft night.

No chance.

 

[Passmore]

Who else thinks Goater & George are not going to make it ?
Wish l had a magic wand......but l get Perez & Hayden vibes. Got the talent, undoubtedly, but major injuries will cruel their careers

No, I think Goater can. The odds aren’t really with George after 2 knees so early. But we’ll see.

Not sure it was the achilles injury that killed Hayden’s career, he just wasn’t that good.

 

[New_Roo]

If we both have no idea what will happen in 4 years time i would rather be positive than sulking about it all the time.

Another thing to note is the stability of the coaching staff and off field.... first time in a long time that we don't need to bring anyone in in the off season I wouldn't have thought. That type of stability is crucial


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[RossHenshaw]

Who else thinks Goater & George are not going to make it ?
Wish l had a magic wand......but l get Perez & Hayden vibes. Got the talent, undoubtedly, but major injuries will cruel their careers

I’ve got high hopes for Goater still . I’m only concerned that history tells us that most players who suffer this horrible injury come back a bit slower in pace ….
Hope fingers crossed this is not the case with this talented kid.
As far as George… I hope he makes it back again for a 2nd time but we will have our hearts in our mouths every time he goes flying for a mark & needs to suddenly twist & turn …
So pretty much all the time
Good luck to them both

 

[ferball]

I liked Watson but if Duursma was playing for the Hawks, with their style, he would be kicking a lot of goals.

Yesterday as soon as a Hawthorn player looked like taking the ball on the backline (ie before they marked or picked it up) the other Hawthorn backs were taking off and running into space and the forwards were starting to move to create options and holes for players.

He would have kicked seven goals yesterday based on that alone.

 

[The Nostradamus]

In all seriousness…
There would have been a melt down here if we would have picked a 168cm midget ahead of Duursma last draft night.

Only to the nuffies who hadn’t seen him play

 

[Shinboner1]

Really hope goater can be up and about next year. Pretty hard to recover from all these leg injuries.

 

[archereleven]

Maybe we have a few handy players on their way here next year Regardless i am still feeling positive on our future.

Maybe? It is paramount that we sign more than handy players for at least another season or 2 to give hope to the players and supporters.

Bradys' future in the afl industry will be defined very soon imo.

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[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

As an outsider these guys make sense to me:

Classy players at top clubs who have been surpassed by younger guys. You aren't going to get blokes who are still best 22 in top 8 sides.

No non-finalist will, that's just how it is in AFL world right now.

However, for next to nothing, you could probably get:

Jarryd Lyons - OOC - just turned 32 and amassing huge VFL numbers. Hard as a cats head, great trainer, would protect your kids.

Jack Macrae - 29, hard as a cats head, still racking them up at AFL / VFL when not played in a forward pocket. Will protect your kids and still get 30 a week.

Both these guys will provide leadership, hardness, set standards and most importantly teach your draftees.

Caleb Daniel - still has a future at AL level as a back-pocket defender. Still an elite kick, frees Fisher to go forward and Sheezel can stay in the middle.

If we (Hawthorn) get our 3 targets (Battle, Barrass and Gruzewski), then you'd think Serong, Morrison, Husthwaite, Mitchell and Maginness would be worth having a chat to.

All are fine,developing players, and all would do a job for you. It's getting them though.

I understand Morrison has spoken to Clarkson already.

Macrae, Lyons, Daniel and Morrison add strength experience hardness and professionalism - and they are realistic targets.

You guys, simply on a survival level, can't afford another 2 seasons like the last 5.

Good luck.

Agree on Lyons, Macrae and Morrison but not Daniels. One of our biggest issues is lack of pace in defence. Small forwards have destroyed us all year (including yesterday). Daniels is an elite kick but slow and a poor defender.

 

[archereleven]

Another thing to note is the stability of the coaching staff and off field.... first time in a long time that we don't need to bring anyone in in the off season I wouldn't have thought. That type of stability is crucial


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The fwds coach, at a minimum, needs the boot and good riddance.

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[archereleven]

You can't judge that from now.... 7 mths away, all depends on the success of the trade and draft period and then a solid pre season


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I have 5 years of history on my side and a couple of consecutive 100+ point beltings to back it up...

Brady will be really earning his keep in this off season

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[New_Roo]

The fwds coach, at a minimum, needs the boot and good riddance.

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That's Xavier Clarke not sure he is going anywhere! Think Patch if anyone is the most susceptible as the only one Clarko not brought in


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[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

The fwds coach, at a minimum, needs the boot and good riddance.

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Reckon some stability might be good.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Maybe? It is paramount that we sign more than handy players for at least another season or 2 to give hope to the players and supporters.

Bradys' future in the afl industry will be defined very soon imo.

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He completely ****ed WC and has now moved on to us.

He’s a complete numpty.

 

[New_Roo]

He completely ****ed WC and has now moved on to us.

He’s a complete numpty.

Oh dear! One man is not solely accountable for the list mgt of an entire football club!


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[TennisPlayerAndy]

Oh dear! One man is not solely accountable for the list mgt of an entire football club!


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He’s the list MANAGER.

The buck stops with him. It’s why the head of a company gets the arse when things nosedive.

 

[Shinboner1]

We're ****ed when corr retires in 2-3 years.

 

[archereleven]

That's Xavier Clarke not sure he is going anywhere! Think Patch if anyone is the most susceptible as the only one Clarko not brought in


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I don't give a **** who it is...

It is the same shit every week. Mids win clearance, look for i50 kick, forwards all stationary or clustered together, getting in each other's way. Our fwd play is a joke.


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[New_Roo]

He’s the list MANAGER.

The buck stops with him. It’s why the head of a company gets the arse when things nosedive.

You said it yourself. He isn't the head of the company! He reports into Viney.... so again he doesn't have sole autonomy. Will, Clayton and others will do the ground work, and report into Rawlings. Then Rawlings will go into Viney and Clarko and to a lesser extent assistants and line coaches.

There will be multiple views and opinions, not one guy sitting in an office with an approve button!

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[New_Roo]

I don't give a **** who it is...

It is the same shit every week. Mids win clearance, look for i50 kick, forwards all stationary or clustered together, getting in each other's way. Our fwd play is a joke.


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I agree but a lot of it is due to personnel too... pink and teakle wouldn't get a game in any other afl team... purely there for structure in the absence of better options. Again doesn't help when there is a distinct lack of smalls in there to help with the mvt and creation of space

And maybe also add that we have been smashed in clearances the past two weeks


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[Scallop Industry Thug]

We have almost no defensive pressure from Curtis, Duursma, RHJ or Zuhaar.

Lol at us 2 years ago wondering if Cam has the motor to play through the middle.

One or both of Phillips and Simpkin need to become a manic pressure forward because our transition defense is laughable.

Once the oppo intercepts, a score is coming.


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[pupstar]

I have 5 years of history on my side and a couple of consecutive 100+ point beltings to back it up...

Brady will be really earning his keep in this off season

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Exactly everything after yesterday is history Look to the future.

 

[Hojuman]

We have almost no defensive pressure from Curtis, Duursma, RHJ or Zuhaar.

Lol at us 2 years ago wondering if Cam has the motor to play through the middle.

One or both of Phillips and Simpkin need to become a manic pressure forward because our transition defense is laughable.

Once the oppo intercepts, a score is coming.


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Game, set, match

 

[pupstar]

You said it yourself. He isn't the head of the company! He reports into Viney.... so again he doesn't have sole autonomy. Will, Clayton and others will do the ground work, and report into Rawlings. Then Rawlings will go into Viney and Clarko and to a lesser extent assistants and line coaches.

There will be multiple views and opinions, not one guy sitting in an office with an approve button!

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I didnt think it was that hard to understand Good post New-Roo