Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[eastfreo75]

I don't see the need to develop rucks, as there is always a good ruck behind a primary ruck.

 

[Minz]

Yeah was thinking the same. You don’t need to worry as much about forward pressure if you’re banging them through & sending it back to the middle.

You need it if you’re running with the Lyon game of kicking it on the forwards heads. Not so much if Treacy, Sturt, Amiss are taking marks on the lead, Fred is kicking them on the run from 50 & Shai is doing Shai things.

Oh, yes please. The reason I’m a Freo supporter is the way the team played that first season with Neesham. So much more attractive than what the bunch from the city were doing at the time. Lovely flowing footy

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Oh, yes please. The reason I’m a Freo supporter is the way the team played that first season with Neesham. So much more attractive than what the bunch from the city were doing at the time. Lovely flowing footy

I often wonder what Gerard could have done if he had this list we currently have.

 

[Paracleet]

It has just occurred to me that what we might be doing is promoting Draper to the main list in 2025. That would mean 3 main draft, 1 rookie draft or Sam Powell-Pepper

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Sam Powell-pepper

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26

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187cm

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98kg

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Last 5

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17.6

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

5.1

5star

G

0.5

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.8

4star

and 0,1 or 2 new Cat B's

Since there are no LTI's atm there is no way for Draper to play round 1 if he stays on the B unless we run one short on the rookie list. If we leave as B then it would cost us two potential additional players (unless I'm missing something obviously).

In fact thinking about it I'm not immediately seeing list space for Narkle and redrafting Knoble to the RL without promoting someone off the RL into one of our 4 current main list spaces.

 

[Docker82]

It has just occurred to me that what we might be doing is promoting Draper to the main list in 2025. That would mean 3 main draft, 1 rookie draft or Sam Powell-Pepper and 0,1 or 2 new Cat B's

Since there are no LTI's atm there is no way for Draper to play round 1 if he stays on the B unless we run one short on the rookie list. If we leave as B then it would cost us two potential additional players (unless I'm missing something obviously).

In fact thinking about it I'm not immediately seeing list space for Narkle and redrafting Knoble to the RL without promoting someone off the RL into one of our 4 current main list spaces.

Rookies don't need to be upgraded to play anymore - even Category B rookies.

Upgrading Draper is only robbing us of a list spot but it has to be done under league rules end of next year.

 

[FreoRicci]

I don't see the need to develop rucks, as there is always a good ruck behind a primary ruck.

When you have Darcy, kinda have to.

 

[eastfreo75]

Rookies don't need to be upgraded to play anymore - even Category B rookies.

Upgrading Draper is only robbing us of a list spot but it has to be done under league rules end of next year.

We lost Schultz because of this practice. Yes, it's worked out, but it could have easily gone pear shaped

Better to reward players by putting them on the main list.

 

[Paracleet]

Rookies don't need to be upgraded to play anymore - even Category B rookies.

Upgrading Draper is only robbing us of a list spot but it has to be done under league rules end of next year.

I thought it was just Cat A players that didn't need to be upgraded anymore not Cat B, but I should have checked first (2024 rules):


So then we have 4 ML 1 Cat A spot and 1 Cat B assuming we run 36 and 6

 

[Paracleet]

We lost Schultz because of this practice. Yes, it's worked out, but it could have easily gone pear shaped

Better to reward players by putting them on the main list.

No that's different. That was a temporary rule during COVID when they cut list sizes that allowed clubs to relist delisted main listed players as rookies (1 per club I think. Banfield had to run the gauntlet from memory) without having to use the draft. This is was just talking about eligibility to play.

 

[King Huskii]

Who we gonna pick at 14 which will most likely be 17 on the night

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Who we gonna pick at 14 which will most likely be 17 on the night

Bo Allan

 

[DQ 4EVER]

I often wonder what Gerard could have done if he had this list we currently have.

Exactly
Keep the list management out of the hands of the head coach, but keep them close.
I luckily chatted to both Longmuir & Walls together, earlier this year.
Great blokes btw

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[Mesc]

Bo Allan

I reckon the Dirty Birds will be all over him like a rash.

 

[dominguez]

I wonder if Knobel can spend five years on the rookie list way to develop his body assuming he doesn't play those ten games or whatever threshold the AFL set

In an ideal world Reidy plays a dozen solid games at AFL level while Knobel dominates the WAFL then Darcy comes back in, wins the Norm Smith, we trade Reidy for a pick in the 20's then Knobel takes Walters spot on the list in 2026.

 

[dominguez]

If I were, say, Melbourne I'd grab Knobel in the rookie draft for sure. (Or even a late draft pick.) But I doubt it happens. We can look at the situation in all its nuance and say "Well, Reidy is a really solid ruck and Knobel is still developing physically" but on paper it is a 20 year old who is splitting time between State League and State League reserves.

Knobel only plays WAFL 2's because Reidy is there. If Reidy plays AFL Knobel carries the ruck for Peel.

 

[dominguez]

Bo Allan

Allan is quite similar to Erasmus and Johnson, can't see us picking him if he's available.

 

[Docker82]

I thought it was just Cat A players that didn't need to be upgraded anymore not Cat B, but I should have checked first (2024 rules):
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So then we have 4 ML 1 Cat A spot and 1 Cat B assuming we run 36 and 6

The Category B rookie bit is a reasonably recent change I believe.

I think it’s Worner getting upgraded tbh. Not because of AFL rules but because we gave him a two year contract last year which at the time good as implied he was being upgraded to the senior list in 2025. It’s not that we need to upgrade him - it’s that the club possibly thinks it’s the right thing to do.

 

[Docker82]

We lost Schultz because of this practice. Yes, it's worked out, but it could have easily gone pear shaped

Better to reward players by putting them on the main list.

Schultz was delisted and placed on the rookie list despite playing 20+ games in 2020. That might’ve been problem if one existed at all…

Most clubs keep players on the rookie list for the maximum three years unless there is another list management related reason that makes it better to upgrade. Examples include:

• The club only wants to use two National Draft selections so upgrades a rookie to comply with the three minimum changes required under AFL rules.
• As rookie upgrades are done after the National Draft it could be used to create fake senior list spots for the purpose of matching bids (whilst also demoting fringe players to the rookie list).
• A high amount of rookies that the club wants to keep and finding it easier to create spots on the senior list.
• A large amount of rookies about to come into their third year on the rookie list. Upgrading a rookie a year early to avoid upgrading 3-4 rookies in the same off season.

FWIW Schultz is the only rookie we’ve upgraded recently that hasn’t done his full three years on the rookie list. All three of Schultz, Treacy and Banfield were heading into their third year on the rookie list at the time.

 

[Madas]

It has just occurred to me that what we might be doing is promoting Draper to the main list in 2025. That would mean 3 main draft, 1 rookie draft or Sam Powell-Pepper and 0,1 or 2 new Cat B's

Since there are no LTI's atm there is no way for Draper to play round 1 if he stays on the B unless we run one short on the rookie list. If we leave as B then it would cost us two potential additional players (unless I'm missing something obviously).

In fact thinking about it I'm not immediately seeing list space for Narkle and redrafting Knoble to the RL without promoting someone off the RL into one of our 4 current main list spaces.

Sorry been out of the loop for a bit
What’s this SPP talk ?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Sorry been out of the loop for a bit
What’s this SPP talk ?

I think that was a pun (ie: rookies are taken in the Supplemental Selection Period which is called the SSP, which sounds similar to and is sometimes wrongly called the SPP).

 

[King Huskii]

I think that was a pun (ie: rookies are taken in the Supplemental Selection Period which is called the SSP, which sounds similar to and is sometimes wrongly called the SPP).

Sam Powell-Pepper category

 

[Ysaye]

Who we gonna pick at 14 which will most likely be 17 on the night

I think we will wait like a vulture waiting for some teams to make a "mistake" and also we may hear offers from others as well to trade the pick down. I expect that Richmond in particular will probably start to go more a "needs" (or for a better term: a spread of positions) basis rather than "best available", which will leave players who are probably better than those picked before out on the table and cause a domino effect. What that may mean for supporters is we pick up a player who is not an area of need, which may annoy some, but I honestly think this is the right strategy given our list is pretty balanced..

Based upon the amount of effort we have put into them, I think we "rate" Berry (rated 18 in Twomey's latest rankings), Lindsay (rated 17th), Travaglia (rated 11th) and Shanahan (rated 20) higher than most. But as I said, it won't surprise if someone we like that falls down the list because of others gets picked by us simply because they fell through.