List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[Geezington]

No ****en shit some bloke has taken a part out of his life to comment this on hawthorn Facebook page lmao

Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

, to the Hawks' great nest,
With Casey and kids, you’re joining the best!
Bobbi and Billie, your bright little stars,
Together we’ll cheer, let’s raise our bars!
From St. Kilda you’ve come, with skills that impress,
In brown and gold colors, we’ll surely be blessed.
As you take to the field, hear the fans roar,
Hawthorn’s your home; we couldn’t ask for more!
So here’s to new journeys, adventures ahead,
With family beside you, there’s nothing to dread.
Welcome aboard, let’s make this a blast,
In the heart of the Hawks, your future is cast!
I

 

[my name was taken]

See some comments on the other side about waiting for the bid on draft night before trading. Im trying to get my head around it. Assuming that was the case the deal will be set up before hand and then the call would be made.

What I don't get is if we are the trade target and the likely bidder and the deal is agreed in advance we just execute the bid on the night regardless because why the hell not.

They won't pick another player in place of acquiring 2 players of first round quality by going through with the deal.

Guess my question is what other reason is there to wait? Am I missing something?

PS sorry if it's been covered, apparently people are touchy about that thing atm lol

 

[stavro#4]

If anyone wants to play: Is there a better deal for Essendon then one we can offer for P9.

Below is the current draft order 8/10 and DVI.

BID Needs to be worked off pick 7.

• Essendon can’t take back a first rounder this year as mentioned by Mat Mann
• Need to give currency for Kako, Dons will get a 20% reduction on the 1644 at P7. So you need to find 1315 points to match.
• club will need to provide a future first and likely finish below us.

 

[SaintersUnite]

7-8-9, Smillie, Langford, Travalgia….




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[sufficientintent]

I genuinely think it’s a fair deal for them and a good deal.

The Dees could also offer them a similar deal - we know they are looking to trade their F1 to Freo to get back into this years draft, why not trade with Essendon?

I personally think that we’re finishing lower than Melbourne next year and have a slightly better second round pick this year so our offer is a better deal, but they do have options if Melbourne are open to a similar trade

Can’t see who else would really be around the mark - our F1 is clearly going to be better than Carlton, Dogs, Collingwood, etc, and our second round pick is better than all of those teams

 

[sufficientintent]

If anyone wants to play: Is there a better deal for Essendon then one we can offer for P9.

Below is the current draft order 8/10 and DVI.

BID Needs to be worked off pick 7.

• Essendon can’t take back a first rounder this year as mentioned by Mat Mann
• Need to give currency for Kako, Dons will get a 20% reduction on the 1644 at P7. So you need to find 1315 points to match.
• club will need to provide a future first and likely finish below us.

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Dees F1 + 28 is right around the mark, especially if the Dons think the Dees will regress further with all their issues

 

[Joffaboy]

Cooney got stuck into the Bulldogs on SEN earlier.
Said they aren't playing them, and how about a bit of respect from the club towards two premiership players.

Said last night this is the tip of the iceberg re the Bulldogs culture and their treatment of their people.
Something very rotten at that club. The next Melbourne.

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[austinnn]

Dees F1 + 28 is right around the mark, especially if the Dons think the Dees will regress further with all their issues

Tell the Dees we'll let them have Tim Membrey, Jack Hayes and Ben Paton for nothing if they refrain from getting involved with Essendon's Kako bid

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Cooney got stuck into the Bulldogs on SEN earlier.
Said they aren't playing them, and how about a bit of respect from the club towards two premiership players.

Said last night this is the tip of the iceberg re the Bulldogs culture and their treatment of their people.
Something very rotten at that club. The next Melbourne.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Awful footy club.

 

[stavro#4]

The Dees could also offer them a similar deal - we know they are looking to trade their F1 to Freo to get back into this years draft, why not trade with Essendon?

I personally think that we’re finishing lower than Melbourne next year and have a slightly better second round pick this year so our offer is a better deal, but they do have options if Melbourne are open to a similar trade

Can’t see who else would really be around the mark - our F1 is clearly going to be better than Carlton, Dogs, Collingwood, etc, and our second round pick is better than all of those teams

Dees F1 + 28 is right around the mark, especially if the Dons think the Dees will regress further with all their issues

Dees are working on P11 from Freo.

Also they get more points from our 27 and they will need those points if the Dees bid at 5. We can protect the Dons until p10 if they trade with us.

Also next year. Oliver Petracca and pick 5. I wouldn’t be risking that. They might.

 

[beside the seaside]

Sorry if it's been covered but can you trade picks after a bid comes?

 

[sufficientintent]

Dees are working on P11 from Freo.

Also they get more points from our 27 and they will need those points if the Dees bid at 5. We can protect the Dons until p10 if they trade with us.

Also next year. Oliver Petracca and pick 5. I wouldn’t be risking that. They might.

Wouldn’t the Dees prefer pick 9 from Essendon over pick 11 from Freo?

If it’s a straight swap 11 for Melbourne’s F1 then sure that’s a better deal, but if 28 goes back then trading with Essendon is obviously the better result

 

[heynow85]

Sorry if it's been covered but can you trade picks after a bid comes?

Yes.

Sorry if it's been covered but can you trade picks after a bid comes?

 

[stavro#4]

Wouldn’t the Dees prefer pick 9 from Essendon over pick 11 from Freo?

If it’s a straight swap 11 for Melbourne’s F1 then sure that’s a better deal, but if 28 goes back then trading with Essendon is obviously the better result

Melbourne on paper don’t project to offer a lower F1 then us.

They are keeping Oliver so expect him to be fit. Trac to be fit and they will have P5.

 

[hayes]

I know we’re in off-season optimism mode but trading our future first for pick 9 is a terrible idea. We were basically a kick away from bottom four this year, way too risky to trade potentially a top 3-5 pick for a far less valuable pick 9. Unless Nick Daicos and Lachie Neale

9

Lachie Neale

Age

31

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

are magically appearing in our midfield next year our first rounder must be untouchable.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

That would mean Membrey to the Dons and Compo too.

Something similar to Graham today and we would have plenty of currency.

Hope so, but I can’t see it at his age, likely salary and prob max 2 years? Graham 4 year contract and young. A 3rd would be very handy, but the scoring would have to be very loose down there.

 

[HeavenlySources]

I know we’re in off-season optimism mode but trading our future first for pick 9 is a terrible idea. We were basically a kick away from bottom four this year, way too risky to trade potentially a top 3-5 pick for a far less valuable pick 9. Unless Nick Daicos and Lachie Neale are magically appearing in our midfield next year our first rounder must be untouchable.

It's likely that 30-40% of next year's draft will be Father Son's, Academies or Compensation picks. In what may be a weaker crop of talent. Our Pick next year could start at 5-10 (I don't think even in a worst case we finish bottom 4) and then balloon out to Pick 10-15 of an overall weaker crop.

I'm taking Pick 9 this year every day of the week. 7, 8 and 9 is a very unique draft position with clubs desperate to get back in or get up the board we can take the players we want and control the action.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No ****en shit some bloke has taken a part out of his life to comment this on hawthorn Facebook page lmao

Josh Battle, to the Hawks' great nest,
With Casey and kids, you’re joining the best!
Bobbi and Billie, your bright little stars,
Together we’ll cheer, let’s raise our bars!
From St. Kilda you’ve come, with skills that impress,
In brown and gold colors, we’ll surely be blessed.
As you take to the field, hear the fans roar,
Hawthorn’s your home; we couldn’t ask for more!
So here’s to new journeys, adventures ahead,
With family beside you, there’s nothing to dread.
Welcome aboard, let’s make this a blast,
In the heart of the Hawks, your future is cast!
I

I knew a young bloke called Josh.
Wanted a truck full of dosh.
Mitch's wife came a callin.
For them Mrs Battle was fallin.
But the rubbish tip wasn't so posh.

Don't judge me, took 2 minutes.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If anyone wants to play: Is there a better deal for Essendon then one we can offer for P9.

Below is the current draft order 8/10 and DVI.

BID Needs to be worked off pick 7.

• Essendon can’t take back a first rounder this year as mentioned by Mat Mann
• Need to give currency for Kako, Dons will get a 20% reduction on the 1644 at P7. So you need to find 1315 points to match.
• club will need to provide a future first and likely finish below us.

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Late picks are worth Jack Shit except for matching bids. That's the whole flaw in the system.

 

[botts]

I'm pretty sure it's happened before so they should be able to

Once a bid comes. They can’t trade out. They have to use the pick. It happened with gws two years ago

 

[Saints_87]

Fremantle live traded F2 + 66 to Crows for 52 + 55 when SOS went early on Henry

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Fremantle live traded F2 + 66 to Crows for 52 + 55 when SOS went early on Henry

I thought they changed after that so that essentially you had to be prepared for a bid and couldn’t just swap out if the bud has arrived. Perhaps I completely made that up.

 

[sufficientintent]

Melbourne on paper don’t project to offer a lower F1 then us.

They are keeping Oliver so expect him to be fit. Trac to be fit and they will have P5.

Melbourne can also bid at pick 5, which arguably gives them more leverage

 

[snails13]

I know we’re in off-season optimism mode but trading our future first for pick 9 is a terrible idea. We were basically a kick away from bottom four this year, way too risky to trade potentially a top 3-5 pick for a far less valuable pick 9. Unless Nick Daicos and Lachie Neale are magically appearing in our midfield next year our first rounder must be untouchable.

How good is next year's draft?

 

[hayes]

It's likely that 30-40% of next year's draft will be Father Son's, Academies or Compensation picks. In what may be a weaker crop of talent. Our Pick next year could start at 5-10 (I don't think even in a worst case we finish bottom 4) and then balloon out to Pick 10-15 of an overall weaker crop.

I'm taking Pick 9 this year every day of the week. 7, 8 and 9 is a very unique draft position with clubs desperate to get back in or get up the board we can take the players we want and control the action.

Based on? We weren’t that far off this year.