List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[Moral Decay]

I never understood what we had planned for long. Drafted as a Rioli type forward with craft and flare and we tried to turn him into a half back flanker. We do some absolute stupid shite

Other way around, he had one phenomenal game as a HF for Doggies VFL but was always a HB we tried to turn him into a tackling HF if anything we over pushed that part of his game and he ended up getting reported too often.

 

[saintbill]

Reckon it's fair to say getting rid of Long was an error. Especially seeing as we cooked the pick on Hotton.

Definitely. He is actually the exact type of player we need.

This side is really lacking a tough edge. We really need a tough little unit like Long, that tackles hard and had a bit of fear factor.

Way too many soft outside types running around at present.

 

[Remboy]

AFAIK, we offered 2 years GC offered 3 years, and we wanted Ben to play HF, he wanted HB and GC committed to that. It's only this year under Hardwick that he's gone forward.

It was four years on more than we were offering. Good luck to him.

 

[magd2992]

Didn't score a point haha

Probably scored in the village though.

 

[stavro#4]

I've said it before but I'll say it again we need to go after Mac Andrew! The kid is the future.



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Can’t see him leaving tbh

We were really keen at the start of the year. He was homesick. Hardly playing. Few off field issues.

History now. Fantastic player for the suns.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Interesting to look back at his last game for us, round 23, 2022. I'm sure most of you lot remember that game against Sydney, was also Hannebery's last game. Long was everywhere, doing everything. Got his only Brownlow votes for us in that game. Hannebery in his last game with the three votes (!), Long the two and Steele one, one of the few times no doubt the losing team got all the Brownlow votes on offer. Of course this also turned out to be Ratts' last game too.

https://www.saints.com.au/video/1205907/rd23-highlights-v-sydney?videoId=1205907&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1661076984001

 

[MordySaint]

He looked absolutely cooked though. It is more likely to end in tears than redemption.

I'd back Oliver to return as good as ever.

Talent doesn't go away, he's still young and with a good pre-season at a new environment he is more than 50-50 to recapture his previous form.

 

[stavro#4]

Watching Melbourne vs Port

Jeez Oliver is so fking fat and unfit. They've had to move him back to half back at QT where he started his career after 3 disposals in the first

Imagine if we could somehow transform him and somehow get an improved draft hand out of it

Attach pick 6 to it.


Deal.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Reckon it's fair to say getting rid of Long was an error. Especially seeing as we cooked the pick on Hotton.

He has a couple of good games each year and is about to turn 27.

 

[Remboy]

Attach pick 6 to it.


Deal.

How long is he contracted for?

 

[stavro#4]

How long is he contracted for?

He is on a reported 1.1m a year until 2030

So, 6 years on 1m+ for any club who takes him on.

GIGANTIC Risk.

 

[MordySaint]

Reckon it's fair to say getting rid of Long was an error. Especially seeing as we cooked the pick on Hotton.

Massive error, he was our talisman for a few seasons. Whenever he lifted the whole team lifted with him.

Was one of my absolute favourites of the Richo/Ratten era. He was always great to watch and gave 100%, I believe he was unfairly targeted by the umpires.

Could/should have stayed with us, but I am so happy he has found a new home where he is playing some great football.

Good luck Ben.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I would have liked to keep Ben but how many here would have lost it if we offered him what Gold Coast did.

4 years on good coin was certainly looking like overs.

Even last year he was mediocre.

 

[MordySaint]

He is on a reported 1.1m a year until 2030

So, 6 years on 1m+ for any club who takes him on.

GIGANTIC Risk.

Looks like Gubby has a few more meetings to do then and Melbourne have some big decisions to make.

Exciting times.

 

[Remboy]

He is on a reported 1.1m a year until 2030

So, 6 years on 1m+ for any club who takes him on.

GIGANTIC Risk.

You'd have to be reasonably certain he's going to get back to 90% of his best. Even that is better than what we've got.
Imagine having pick 5, pick 6 (for Battle), pick 7 and Oliver. It would transform the side overnight.

 

[stavro#4]

You'd have to be reasonably certain he's going to get back to 90% of his best. Even that is better than what we've got.
Imagine having pick 5, pick 6 (for Battle), pick 7 and Oliver. It would transform the side overnight.

Thats the only reason to consider taking the risk. Not because Oliver may return to some form.

 

[Remboy]

Thats the only reason to consider taking the risk. Not because Oliver may return to some form.

Absolutely. Oliver would be the steak knives in all of that. The big problem is that it ties up a lot of money on one player.
Having three top ten picks gives you so many options. Take them all to the draft, split one or trade one for a player.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes it was.

Another case of us not getting the best out of a player.

They stuffed up continuity, positioning, punished him for uneven performance etc. We killed a few careers under Richo. Acres got the same treatment.

 

[gringo2011]

Thats the only reason to consider taking the risk. Not because Oliver may return to some form.

The only problem is that the contract will still be handing over a million bucks a year in 7 years. If we ever get a decent side together that's a lot of cap space eaten up by a guy who is probably long gone.

 

[Joffaboy]

Attach pick 6 to it.


Deal.

Come on stav, the trade has to be fair....we will give then Billings again

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[stavro#4]

Absolutely. Oliver would be the steak knives in all of that. The big problem is that it ties up a lot of money on one player.
Having three top ten picks gives you so many options. Take them all to the draft, split one or trade one for a player.

In this hypothetical.

Go to the draft.

You could end up taking 1 of: Jagga/Draper/Fos/Smillie/Trainor

And 2 of: Langford/Lalor/Reid/Travaglia

As you said above. Absolutely set yourself up if you are ready and willing to cop the potential risk

 

[stavro#4]

The only problem is that the contract will still be handing over a million bucks a year in 7 years. If we ever get a decent side together that's a lot of cap space eaten up by a guy who is probably long gone.

Yes.

But if he was 90% of the player he was even last season. Your laughing all the way back to your WhatsApp group with George

 

[Diehard Saint]

I'd back Oliver to return as good as ever.

Talent doesn't go away, he's still young and with a good pre-season at a new environment he is more than 50-50 to recapture his previous form.

No thanks.
Talent may not go away. But desire and application certainly do.
Huge, huge risk for the money he’s on.
There would have to be an incredibly large sweetener, draft wise, before we should even consider it.

 

[LJC05]

The only problem is that the contract will still be handing over a million bucks a year in 7 years. If we ever get a decent side together that's a lot of cap space eaten up by a guy who is probably long gone.

Would be interested to know if they could front load the hell of that contract so it’s not so bad in the backend with our apparent war chest.

A first round pick attached would be the only way we’d even entertain it surely.

 

[stavro#4]

Come on stav, the trade has to be fair....we will give then Billings again

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Id give a second rounder back