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[BigFrizz36]

Yep he's all good provided he offers appropriate sacrifices during the season

I'm getting major league chicken sacrifice vibes.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

So, you're saying with a full list to choose from, Ollie misses out on a starting spot??

Go read my team post...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We’ll see!

Hope Ollie has himself a strength regimen he’s invested in.

Agreed. Been calling for it all year for him to bulk up a bit in the off season.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

We chose a totally cooked version of Cincotta who was horrible and Kennedy as sub who was horrible. Dropped fit, form players who brought much needed pace and run for other fringe players who were not fit and brought no run at all.

Fisher and Dow had performed well in a big game just prior to finals against Melbourne, a game that was practically a final so the not big game players goes out the window.

Voss did exactly the same thing this year. Went back to his favorites despite slowing the team down and them not having fitness or form. The only difference was we got smashed instead of scraping out two wins. Wins which came mostly because both opposition kicked horribly for goal.



A lot of people blinded by winning a couple of finals. If 2023 was successful then the bar most certainly is low. We would have been marginally better with more pace. My opinion won't change on that. The last two seasons, every time we inject even a little pace into the team it improves significantly. We picked the slowest side we could for finals, struggled through two finals, won with a lot of luck involved and were outpaced in the prelim. Melbourne and/or Sydney don't have a mare in front of goal in 2023 and there would be more people agreeing with me.

Voss is proving that when it comes to finals, he falls back to his 'safe' options. Rather than sticking with players who bring improvement to the side and have good performances under their belt he has proven last year and this year that he falls back to his safe options. I would definitely call that choking. That and being afraid to play the young players all season. It wreaks of fear poor confidence.

The fact that Voss has this mantra of "finals are different" wreaks of fear. The idea that finals are different is BS. They are different for the first 10 minutes because everyone goes super hard. Fundamentals are the same. Game is the same.

I don't trust Voss to select the team well each week and I certainly don't trust him to get it right come finals. He's too reliant on favorites/players he rates at the expense of team balance and form/fitness. He's proven this over and over again. It's a weakness in his coaching.

I've gone over it before, the selections throughout the season and particularly in this and last years finals series being poor. They took the pace out of the team. They took away the run off half back and in the middle. Cuningham is the other selection which we got wrong in 2023. He was probably our best defensive half forward and we got smashed off the half back line. In the end it's up to the coach to pick a side that is fit, has form and has a really good team balance and he's failed to do that because he can't stop himself picking his favorites.

The brissy team he captained was a brutal finals outfit that was happy for Port to win minor premierships. I imagine he's running the same logic here.

I agree that we look more positive with some oacein the side. I don't think his reverting to bogger bodies spells fear tho, rather his being a bit conservative. Ollie and Cowan got a good crack this year, which I see as his favouring contested players. Finals are more contested so fine. There us more turnover too, so give him a tick there.

I think where he goes wrong is that, while statistically more contested, this is due to higher pressure. More mistakes, less room, more contests as a result. To be a high pressure side though (so Step 1) you simply need pace to move the zone and swoop on ground balls.

I think his tactics are great for finals, but that he confounds contest and pressure. Speedy playerswould also allow us to be less battered and bruised through the HandA portion of the season.

Cotts and Fogarty were injured for long periods. Docherty all season. There goes all the pace and pressure we wouldve needed. This spells the difference I think.

Lord is quicker, sure, but doesnt play those roles. Cant recall Binns being tried on HHF? Carrol a bit quicker but struggled at HHF. Nobody fills the Fogarty role when he's out, maybe Durdin, but he has a paper maché shoulder so no go.

The other side of things is pace forcing oppos to be accountable. Moir seems quick, Williams is lightning. Neither seemed defensively accountable but they can spread the opposition. I'm glad that Moir hasnt been thrown to the wolves tho, and will be surprised if Williams ever gets his body right.

I think Voss is working with what he's got, making understandable decisions, but needs to have some depth in pressure and pace up forward and ideally always one of the same at HB. Maybe this stops him bashing up the players so much during the season too.

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[koutashoulda1_1]

Think bringing in a bunch of underdone players and resting Kennedy was a gamble which didn't pay off. Ideally we have our best players all fit and firing come September...that wasn't available to us this year.

Biggest issue for mine still is our structures and gameplan, not the personnel choices. When forced to kick to Kemp as our main target, we showed that we can have dynamic ball movement. A good coaching team will make us look even more dangerous when we have Charlie and Harry back int he side...not back to one dimension.

We have the cattle to have good forward movement, it's a sub-optimal gameplan that is the issue.

Not sure where you are coming from here tbh. Brissy were on a winning streak and cherry ripe, we were on a losing streak and hanging together with bandaids. Was never going to happen.

Literally think we have the least capable delivery into F50 in the league. We had no pressure forward available either. Also was basically locked in our D50 for the first half.

This is a personnel issue (F50 delivery) more than anything, possibly a training issue too. Hopefully skills are a focus over the break. Down back we did great all year, just that defensively we didnt ask our midfield to help out much, preferring them to position to be more attacking. This allowed us to be a great turnover team most of the year. Little bit foolsgoldy tho imo.

Hopefully Boyd finds form again, Doch gets back to serviceable, and Haynes frees up Weiters a bit. With these three kicking, we will have a good switch option and force the forward pressure teams back a bit allowing us to exit D50. Houston wohkdve been great, tho glad we didnt spend up here. Weiters is a great interceptor and kick, just needs to be 1v1 instead of 1v3. No trust in confidence players like McGovern to play this role consistently.

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[LanceRomance]

Kind of wish we had Blaine Boekhorst

Blaine Boekhorst

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.9

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.6

3star

on the list.

Decent winger.

 

[Beyond Blue]

It is a difficult equation for me to simplify because too many variables

1. No doubt injuries played a huge role in the ability of the team to perform to its best - which begs the question(s) about Russell and medical recovery regime AGAIN ( so exit Russell and Medico ) and
on the coaching group ( which has been left alone )
2. The above however combined with VFL performance underlines the lack of depth coming through

so it IS logical that teh Club invests in new youth via draft - I have no idea about how good or not the Campos are likely to be but two new kids at cheapo pick prices was a good start and then having 12 and 14 was a great 2 pick combo in a so called deep draft

so adding to depth tick box looking good

cutting perpetually injured players - another tick in the box
cutting never gunna make its from VFL - another good tick in the box

adding Haynes- a big MEH for me - Ive watched him play for years now as I follow both GW and Sydney closely - Haynes is cover for McGovern as an interceptor and maybe Kemp too - but he isnt a second KPD in any shape or form and he is injury prone and he is old

3. Then we see Houston available at high price- fair enough walk away and keep 12 and 14 as draft picks

BUT - selling them down to get only 1 pick- that is a high risk move for a team wanting to add depth ...

so my Houston V a high draft pick

and the Club went for the high draft pick - which means to me that investing in future balanced against the now took priority - fair enough...

I can see Carlton going backwards in 2025 quite easily - with question marks over fitness of Walsh/Cerra and bunch of others ...forget pre-season - your top players have to play most games during the year if not all..

Voss has never had tam continuity to play with so fingers crossed the team gives him some- because no doubt in my mind - he is under the gun big time.

Sorry I should have been clearer…I can definitely see us going backwards in 2025 (and heaven help those at the club if we do), but I just don’t think the moves the club have made during the trade period are indicative of that.

 

[Beyond Blue]

The brissy team he captained was a brutal finals outfit that was happy for Port to win minor premierships. I imagine he's running the same logic here.


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The Brissy team he captained to a hatrick was also built around a boardroom by the AFL with more list management concessions than any other team in the history of the game.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not sure where you are coming from here tbh. Brissy were on a winning streak and cherry ripe, we were on a losing streak and hanging together with bandaids. Was never going to happen.

Literally think we have the least capable delivery into F50 in the league. We had no pressure forward available either. Also was basically locked in our D50 for the first half.

This is a personnel issue (F50 delivery) more than anything, possibly a training issue too. Hopefully skills are a focus over the break. Down back we did great all year, just that defensively we didnt ask our midfield to help out much, preferring them to position to be more attacking. This allowed us to be a great turnover team most of the year. Little bit foolsgoldy tho imo.

Hopefully Boyd finds form again, Doch gets back to serviceable, and Haynes frees up Weiters a bit. With these three kicking, we will have a good switch option and force the forward pressure teams back a bit allowing us to exit D50. Houston wohkdve been great, tho glad we didnt spend up here. Weiters is a great interceptor and kick, just needs to be 1v1 instead of 1v3. No trust in confidence players like McGovern to play this role consistently.

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if it's personnel, why did it look better when Charlie and McKay weren't in the side? When we only had Kemp as a target, the team showed that if forced, they can find leading targets i50.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

if it's personnel, why did it look better when Charlie and McKay weren't in the side? When we only had Kemp as a target, the team showed that if forced, they can find leading targets i50.

Against two of the sh***est sides in the AFL is why.

 

[goreds]

Go read my team post...

Sure thing, that would be in the https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2025-best-23-emergencies-rolling.1387405/ thread, yes???

 

[branedotorg]

Against two of the sh***est sides in the AFL is why.

accurate but kemp also lead towards the ball carrier, rther than standing and wrestling and waiting for the high ball.

if we can bring that into the mix, one leading and one or two engaging the body it immediately makes entry into the f50 more dynamic and less obvious

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

accurate but kemp also lead towards the ball carrier, rther than standing and wrestling and waiting for the high ball.

if we can bring that into the mix, one leading and one or two engaging the body it immediately makes entry into the f50 more dynamic and less obvious

So do Charlie and Harry. Difference is they have genuine gun defenders stuck to them like glue every second they're on the ground with others in their leading lanes to prevent them too.

Kemp does/did not.

 

[VainGlorious]

Kind of wish we had Blaine Boekhorst on the list.

Decent winger.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Sure thing, that would be in the https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2025-best-23-emergencies-rolling.1387405/ thread, yes???

Yeah, right before your question on Ollie being in the starting team...

 

[goreds]

Yeah, right before your question on Ollie being in the starting team...

He doesn't make my side, just too light and no standout quality...

 

[VainGlorious]

Thought this would be of interest to those that mentioned his name as a possible DFA.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Thought this would be of interest to those that mentioned his name as a possible DFA.

I think this sums up Weidman pretty well. Never had the heart to compete.

 

[BlueTongue]

Yep he's all good provided he offers appropriate sacrifices during the season

I heard a combination of Calf's blood and Peptides works wonders...

 

[JustaBattler]

I think you're looking at the Houston thing the wrong way. By trading up to Pick #3 we're clearly looking to add another ELITE cog to our side. That's why you trade 12 and 14 for #3, because we want to get a look at an elite player not just young depth.

When considering why we chose Pick #3 over Houston the decision was pretty clear. Both give us an option at an elite player to add to our side, the difference being that one is a half back flanker and would be on close to $1m a year and the other is (likely to be) a midfielder and on a rookie wage.

I suspect it was more the cash and potentially the positional need (needing midfield pace over backline support) steered us down the path of Pick #3 over Houston, but what we were looking to add was an elite player - that's pretty clear.

I think people take a high draft pick as a given future elite player way way too much for granted- when the evidence over decades suggests it is a goodish bet that the player becomes okish - maybe - if all goes well. Peopel can point to teh high picks that are great - but forget the many more that are total duds.

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think people take a high draft pick as a given future elite player way way too much for granted- when the evidence over decades suggests it is a goodish bet that the player becomes okish - maybe - if all goes well. Peopel can point to teh high picks that are great - but forget the many more that are total duds.

Regardless. That's clearly what the club is looking for. But i disagree with your position. I think Pick #3 has a clearly better chance of landing elite players.

Successful Picks roughly #2-#4 in the past 10 years include: Callum Mills, Clayton Oliver, Tim Taranto, Hugh McLuggage, Andrew Brayshaw, Luke Davies Uniacke, Isaac Rankine, Max King, Noah Anderson, Luke Jackson, Riley Thilthorpe, Logan McDonald, Sam Darcy, Finn Callaghan, Nick Daicos

Successful Picks roughly #12-#14 in the past 10 years include: Hipwood, Rioli, Simpkin, Perryman, Fogarty, Butters, Quaynor, Pickett, Day, Bruhn, Powell, Sinn, Hobbs.

There's a pretty clear difference in quality between those two lists, there's maybe one elite player in the 12-14 section - Zak Butters. Whereas there's 9-10 in the first group. There's a very clear difference in quality.

 

[Accidental genius]

Looking forward to when Charlie is regularly hit up on a lead rather than having it bombed on his head for a wrestling match.

Is it like that or is it that Charlie does not lead or bit of both perhaps.

 

[Love the Drake]

People seriously underestimating Cerra and to a lesser extent, Hewett.
Cerra was our best mid in 2023. Hewett is tough and a one touch player.

We all see things differently, but I’d be surprised if they weren’t rated highly internally.

Cerra just needs to get his body right. A bit like Walsh..

 

[Accidental genius]

Questions got to be asked…

What if Walsh and Cerra don’t fully recover from the back and hammy issues respectively?

Is this partly why we went out to get pick 3…. To use on a good midfielder?