3rd Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 14-18 1050hrs @ The Gabba

[Westend]

It isn’t making him a scapegoat, they are dropping a guy who is struggling in a high pressure series.

They also have thousands of test runs, heck Marnus at least had a 50 from this series.

Nope he is the fall guy for the other poor performers on the side you can’t convince me otherwise

Its not like we are 3 nil down if we where I could understand

But it’s 1 all. If they stayed with Sydney for this test and he struggled and we lost going into the scg test and he was dropped .. that I could agree wirh

This decision is terrible for a young player and if I was Nathan I would be terrible disappointed and pissed off

It reminds me of a young martyn getting dropped after he made 9 against sa hitting on the up … he was made a scapegoat at the time and it took him years to get back .. lets hope that doesn’t happen with Nathan

 

[Westend]

I don't agree. While Usman and Labuschagne are still issues to solve, they are issues that are without a solution presenting itself atm.

When I read CA's article today quoting Bailey on the decision to drop McSweeney and seemingly put Konstas in his place it's translates to me as "Selector acknowledged **** up two games ago and corrects mistake".

Selecting a guy to open who'd never opened before (first time we'd done that since WSC took our best players) McSweeney was set up to fail and should be dropped.

I agree with dropping him. Given our biggest issues are at No.2 and No.3 I don't agree with the reserve batsmen being Webster and Inglis... But then the alternative is failures like Renshaw, Harris and Bancroft.

Well the selectors have created another issue with dropping Sydney does he go back to Sa to play as an opener? the selectors don’t rate him as one ?

Or does he go back to batting 3/4 ??for Sa If so how does he get back in with labs and smudge 3 and 4 and green who averages 50 batting at 4 ?

Patterson making runs at 3 plus he wears a blue cap so is Nathan behind him ?

Selectors have just f$$ked over a young player to accomodate a 38 year old who can’t field and is struggling with the bat and a number 3 who hasn’t made a ton in 40 odd innings ..that were we are at

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So when is George resigning after admitting after 3 games that a non opener isn't the right option when it was obvious to the rest of us before the 1st test that that was the case? There's no accountability in cricket leadership and unfortunately with the new CEO coming in that won't change as he's weak.

Bailey should be sacked tomorrow and hand back his paycheck.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

If Konstas fails I hope you will be all as critical

 

[Iceman!]

Nope he is the fall guy for the other poor performers on the side you can’t convince me otherwise

Its not like we are 3 nil down if we where I could understand

But it’s 1 all. If they stayed with Sydney for this test and he struggled and we lost going into the scg test and he was dropped .. that I could agree wirh

This decision is terrible for a young player and if I was Nathan I would be terrible disappointed and pissed off

It reminds me of a young martyn getting dropped after he made 9 against sa hitting on the up … he was made a scapegoat at the time and it took him years to get back .. lets hope that doesn’t happen with Nathan

I disagree if the series was already lost then you stick with him, we currently are still a chance to win the series which means it is all about picking the best 11 to win the next test.

I strongly believe Usman is currently still a better test match batsmen than Sydney.

 

[Westend]

If Konstas fails I hope you will be all as critical

I hope Konstas scores runs as he is a talented young lad with a big future

But that doesn’t mean I agree with the way he got picked for the squad

Not his fault of course

 

[Iceman!]

So when is George resigning after admitting after 3 games that a non opener isn't the right option when it was obvious to the rest of us before the 1st test that that was the case? There's no accountability in cricket leadership and unfortunately with the new CEO coming in that won't change as he's weak.

Bailey should be sacked tomorrow and hand back his paycheck.

Wait you want people to resign every time they make a mistake?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They are in no worse form than the guy you are saying they should stick with.

Also they did man up and admit they were wrong by dropping mcsweeney for konstas

Yes but there is no accountability.

Why does the player pay for his poor decision making by losing his spot but the selector doesn't pay by losing his spot.
There's no way you can announce a 15 like this mid series and not sack Bailey tomorrow. Anything else is no accountability.

But the problem is the selectors job is a boys club and they also don't want to upset the playing group. They need to put a broom through them.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wait you want people to resign every time they make a mistake?

When they have a track record of mistakes like George absolutely. In the private sector he'd be sacked already. We all have jobs with KPIs and performance management except him.

 

[Iceman!]

Well the selectors have created another issue with dropping Sydney does he go back to Sa to play as an opener? the selectors don’t rate him as one ?

Or does he go back to batting 3/4 ??for Sa If so how does he get back in with labs and smudge 3 and 4 and green who averages 50 batting at 4 ?

Patterson making runs at 3 plus he wears a blue cap so is Nathan behind him ?

Selectors have just f$$ked over a young player to accomodate a 38 year old who can’t field and is struggling with the bat and a number 3 who hasn’t made a ton in 40 odd innings ..that were we are at

This is so over the top. They gave him an opportunity and he didn't take it, nothing more nothing less. As for getting back in to the team that is on him, Smith will be gone soon, Marnus still has a ? over his spot, Marsh is struggling. Go back and make bulk runs at shield level again and earn a recall.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

This is so over the top. They gave him an opportunity and he didn't take it, nothing more nothing less. As for getting back in to the team that is on him, Smith will be gone soon, Marnus still has a ? over his spot, Marsh is struggling. Go back and make bulk runs at shield level again and earn a recall.

Three tests against the best bowler in the world? That's all you're willing to give someone?

What happens if Konstas fails in the next two tests? Do we dump him too?

Lets just keep dumping 'em all until there's no one left

 

[Westend]

I disagree if the series was already lost then you stick with him, we currently are still a chance to win the series which means it is all about picking the best 11 to win the next test.

I strongly believe Usman is currently still a better test match batsmen than Sydney.

Why wasn’t konstats best eleven at the start of the series ??

But now best eleven Because he scored runs for the pm eleven a shield game and a bbl game ??? Games which Sydney couldn’t play because he was already facing bumrah ?

Sydney won the bat off at the start of the summer against Konstas and co

But now Konstas is the better player? Making his debut in a pressure cooker test and Sydney has already played 3 ?

I would want a strong explanation from Bailey if I was Nathan

 

[Iceman!]

Three tests against the best bowler in the world? That's all you're willing to give someone?

How long do you propose? If 3 is not enough is 4? What about 5? Is it 10?

No one is putting a line through him, but 3 tests in he showed very very little. If he at least looked comfortable at the crease or had a good array of scoring options. Legit anything to point your hat to and say yeah i can see it.

Sydney looked out of his depth, it is the end of the world. He can go back to the lower levels and work on his game, hopefully next time he gets the call up he is ready to take it.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

You've obviously got an axe to grind or are of the BBL generation

There was a time when we would give newcomers to the test teams 10+ tests to find their feet. And that was when we had options!

 

[Westend]

Three tests against the best bowler in the world? That's all you're willing to give someone?

What happens if Konstas fails in the next two tests? Do we dump him too?

Lets just keep dumping 'em all until there's no one left

Yeah exactly the selectors have made their bed now

What happens of Konstas f$$ks up ??

boland made him look average in the shield game .. what’s bumrah going to do

Ball coming back in Konstas plays with a big gap bat and pad

Do we f$$k him off after 6 innings if he fails ?

 

[Westend]

How long do you propose? If 3 is not enough is 4? What about 5? Is it 10?

No one is putting a line through him, but 3 tests in he showed very very little. If he at least looked comfortable at the crease or had a good array of scoring options. Legit anything to point your hat to and say yeah i can see it.

Sydney looked out of his depth, it is the end of the world. He can go back to the lower levels and work on his game, hopefully next time he gets the call up he is ready to take it.

They have put a line through him they just dropped him

 

[Iceman!]

You've obviously got an axe to grind or are of the BBL generation

There was a time when we would give newcomers to the test teams 10+ tests to find their feet. And that was when we had options!

Give it a rest, i have grown up on test cricket and love the game so spare me.

I have not written him off as a player and i still think he can have a test future. I don't think he is ready to contribute in this series, no one is entitled to games. I simply believe he is not in our best 11 players to win a game in Melbourne or Sydney.

 

[Iceman!]

They have put a line through him they just dropped him

For this series, he has 10 years of his career left to earn a spot again.

 

[Westend]

This is so over the top. They gave him an opportunity and he didn't take it, nothing more nothing less. As for getting back in to the team that is on him, Smith will be gone soon, Marnus still has a ? over his spot, Marsh is struggling. Go back and make bulk runs at shield level again and earn a recall.

No it’s. Not and I have seen it happen

Yes go back to the shield and score runs agree

But you are going back with the other 20 odd shield bats in the shield all competing for a test spot .. and you are starting again

That’s the nature of the game

 

[Iceman!]

No it’s. Not and I have seen it happen

Yes go back to the shield and score runs agree

But you are going back with the other 20 odd shield bats in the shield all competing for a test spot .. and you are starting again

That’s the nature of the game

Oh no he was given an opportunity, didn't take it and now he has to earn it again? What a disaster.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Oh no he was given an opportunity, didn't take it and now he has to earn it again? What a disaster.

Oh **** off you disingenuous prick, he was given three tests against the best bowler in the world.

 

[Iceman!]

Oh **** off you disingenuous prick, he was given three tests against the best bowler in the world.

YES THAT IS TEST CRICKET YOU VS GOOD BOWLERS.

Hopefully he joins the long list of players to get dropped and come back much better, he is clearly not up to that challenge at the moment. That is all i am saying, it is hardly some major knock on him as a player.

 

[Westend]

YES THAT IS TEST CRICKET YOU VS GOOD BOWLERS.

Hopefully he joins the long list of players to get dropped and come back much better, he is clearly not up to that challenge at the moment. That is all i am saying, it is hardly some major knock on him as a player.

So if ussie and labs fail again against good bowlers should they play at the scg ?

 

[Iceman!]

So if ussie and labs fail again against good bowlers should they play at the scg ?

I have been clear that both are absolutely desperate for runs and will be gone soon if they don't make them. Heck i was okay with one of them going instead of Sydney. I think you can make a case for any of them needing to go, i just am not going to blame the selectors for backing in the experience of those two over Sydney for these two crucial tests.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Backing experience... but bringing in a new guy to face Bumrah?

Make it make sense