Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[60 Yards Out]

Australians have never been oppressed by truly bad government before in its short history. This means the complete inability of its constituents to understand the importance of basic freedoms adopted by countries that have gone through social upheaval as a result of bad governance (i.e France's declaration of the rights of man and the citizen, America's constitutions etc)

The constituents believe they can be pragmatic by giving away fundamental personal freedoms when in fact they are just ...ahem...misguided

Did anyone “give away” their personal freedoms? (Nobody’s still in a lockdown, surely.)
Or did they agree to suspend some in acknowledgement of a common good?

 

[E Shed]

Good man booting out all the illegal immigrants. Hope he follows through.

A man who led the States for four years and didn’t turn the country into his personal hand puppet, will suddenly do so in year 5?

Are you being deliberately disingenuous or are you just poorly informed?

There are hundreds of accounts by people who worked for him and decent political journalists of how his worst intentions were kept in check by the guardrails of democracy & people who refused to break the law/constitution on his behalf.

This time he & his billionaire/fundamentalist backers are much better prepared to dismantle the checks & balances.

 

[adammania9]

Are you being deliberately disingenuous or are you just poorly informed?

There are hundreds of accounts by people who worked for him and decent political journalists of how his worst intentions were kept in check by the guardrails of democracy & people who refused to break the law/constitution on his behalf.

This time he & his billionaire/fundamentalist backers are much better prepared to dismantle the checks & balances.

Sure they are

 

[liz]

Well I thought I made it pretty clear, by actually saying 'Even though the world has massively improved since they were young'

Apologies if you missed it.

The world can improve overall without improving for all.

That's exactly what Trump's grievance politics tries to persuade young white men of. And not just young white men.

Increased opportunities in education and the workplace for women have reduced their opportunities, not just in education and the workplace but also to be the dominant force in their relationship with a woman.

Immigrants - especially non-white immigrants - have further reduced their opportunities in the workplace.

And there's an element of truth in there, certainly for some. It's just that the biggest villain in the stagnated economic well-being of the aggrieved isn't the "minorities". It's Trump and his cronies.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Good man booting out all the illegal immigrants. Hope he follows through.

A man who led the States for four years and didn’t turn the country into his personal hand puppet, will suddenly do so in year 5?

It's a bit more nuanced than that, if you were to believe trump he'd deport immigrants coz they're immigrants.

Sounds like you're ok with that.

 

[liz]

Past indicators suggest a red-run USA is better than a blue-run USA.

Which indicators?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Sure they are

Do you really wanna find out?

 

[magpie_marty]

I think I speak (and understand) a completely different version of the English language to you (and 'Johnny Maga', whoever that might be). I understand none of your word-mashes, and that apparent paraphrasing of what Harris said bears no relation to what she actually said.

I have to agree it's like a word weave.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Which indicators?

Past performance does not indicate future performance adammania9

 

[adammania9]

It's a bit more nuanced than that, if you were to believe trump he'd deport immigrants coz they're immigrants.

Sounds like you're ok with that.

Illegal immigrants? Yes

 

[adammania9]

Do you really wanna find out?

Yes, because the worst will not happen no matter how much the left preach it will

 

[Carringbush2010]

Illegal immigrants? Yes

Without nuance or context obviously. Says all we need to know about you.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yes, because the worst will not happen no matter how much the left preach it will

You can't know that for sure. You're hoping.

 

[Satan]

Good man booting out all the illegal immigrants. Hope he follows through.

A man who led the States for four years and didn’t turn the country into his personal hand puppet, will suddenly do so in year 5?

Trump's plan to deport millions of immigrants would cost hundreds of billions, CBS News analysis shows

Former President Donald Trump is doubling down on his promise to carry out the largest mass deportation effort in American history.

www.cbsnews.com

Mass deportation would not only reduce jobs for citizens, but impact family members who are citizens. There are roughly 4.1 million mixed-status families living in the U.S., according to data from the Pew Research Center. About 4.4 million U.S.-born children live with an undocumented parent.

Deporting us citizens

 

[magpie_marty]

Trump's plan to deport millions of immigrants would cost hundreds of billions, CBS News analysis shows

Former President Donald Trump is doubling down on his promise to carry out the largest mass deportation effort in American history.

www.cbsnews.com

Mass deportation would not only reduce jobs for citizens, but impact family members who are citizens. There are roughly 4.1 million mixed-status families living in the U.S., according to data from the Pew Research Center. About 4.4 million U.S.-born children live with an undocumented parent.

Deporting us citizens

Not to mention a lot of migrants work jobs that the average American will not do at a low wage.

 

[adammania9]

You can't know that for sure. You're hoping.

And you lot are hoping that if he wins, that you’re justified and the worst does happen. Living in constant fear of the worst must suck

 

[adammania9]

Trump's plan to deport millions of immigrants would cost hundreds of billions, CBS News analysis shows

Former President Donald Trump is doubling down on his promise to carry out the largest mass deportation effort in American history.

www.cbsnews.com

Mass deportation would not only reduce jobs for citizens, but impact family members who are citizens. There are roughly 4.1 million mixed-status families living in the U.S., according to data from the Pew Research Center. About 4.4 million U.S.-born children live with an undocumented parent.

Deporting us citizens

Most of those people do not work

 

[Satan]

Most of those people do not work

• Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.
• Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.

Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants

Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase.

itep.org

 

[Borough Blood]

Fair enough. I’ll exit and let the echo chamber do it’s thing, and will read on happily when the Americans select the obviously better candidate in two weeks

Spineless.

 

[cotter101]

And you lot are hoping that if he wins, that you’re justified and the worst does happen. Living in constant fear of the worst must suck

If he wins, the melts on here will be hilarious.

 

[cotter101]

Spineless.

Spineless? Sounds like Sydney in a Grand Final.

 

[adammania9]

Spineless.

Go Trump

 

[adammania9]

If he wins, the melts on here will be hilarious.

No ifs. Only a matter of time

 

[NSWCROW]

Wait

We had a covid inquiry ?


Did they find out why the conservatives let a covid-riddled ship dock in Circular Quay or how the conservatives let an infected fed-ex crew waltz through customs at Mascot ?

 

[cotter101]

No ifs. Only a matter of time

Looking that way.

Can’t say I blame the American people if they choose not to be led by Kamala.