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You are entitled to your view but you’re bringing politics to every board you post on while you have that avatar.

I’ve not said anything remotely racist. You are pretty dense for going there at all.
No I'm not at all, stop lying mate. You are the one talking politics so stop doing it on a cricket board.
 
It happens. Had mates in high school (mid 1990s) that would say cricket sucks, so boring etc. Then you lose contact and run into them 5 - 10 years later and they say gotta admit, crickets pretty good. It’s a bit like wine I think. As you mature you tastes change and you enjoy different things and kicking back with beers on the couch or pub watching cricket on a hot summers day is pretty appealing

I think there’s two reasons and they’re both pretty simple.

A) Kids prefer things that are quicker and more eventful. Go to the beach and see what people choose to do and you wouldn’t be surprised why adults are generally bigger test cricket fans.

B) You generally have to understand what’s going on in a test match to appreciate it. On a surface level, the Cummins, Lyon, Boland third innings efforts in the fourth test weren’t really that exciting, but once you understand what’s actually going on it becomes must watch. So naturally, as you get older and smarter you’re going to be more interested in Test cricket.
 

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2.5 day Tests aren't necessarily a comment on the pitches - they can also be due to the approach and technique of the batsmen.

I didn't think the Sydney pitch was that bad (certainly not as bad as many seem to be making out) to be honest. There was more bounce than normal but apart from that it wasn't too bad. It certainly didn't seam any more than you would expect and it wasn't turning on day 2 or anything like that. A number of the wickets were due to either poor shots or by unnecessary fishing expeditions outside the off stump.
Players who succeeded at the SCG: Those who walked down the pitch and attempted to just slap everything for six.
Players who failed at the SCG: Those who attempted to watchfully play the ball on merit.
 
Fair enough, I think generally seeing a crowd that is really invested, particularly one that is 50/50 as a lot of these crowds have been, subconsciously adds to the tension and excitement in the game.
Yeah, at footy I don't mind it, but 6 hours of it just gives me a headache

Im just old and cranky - sit the **** down and clap politely 😃
 
I think there’s two reasons and they’re both pretty simple.

A) Kids prefer things that are quicker and more eventful. Go to the beach and see what people choose to do and you wouldn’t be surprised why adults are generally bigger test cricket fans.

B) You generally have to understand what’s going on in a test match to appreciate it. On a surface level, the Cummins, Lyon, Boland third innings efforts in the fourth test weren’t really that exciting, but once you understand what’s actually going on it becomes must watch. So naturally, as you get older and smarter you’re going to be more interested in Test cricket.
More than anything kids need sympathetic parents to support them playing cricket. Helps so much to have someone in the family who is knowledgable and passionate. To the untrained eye cricket is "boring" and they "just stand around all day".

I will never not see it as remarkable that Shane Warne and the Waugh brothers came from families who weren't into cricket. Two of our all time greats in Warne and S Waugh, in no small part because of the time and support of their parents.
 
Doesn't really interest me, but I'm sure many like it.

I don't really like drums, horns, chants etc

It is what prevents me from attending cricket matches these days. Far too much unnecessary noise. Some call it atmosphere; I call it noise pollution. Any younger posters laughing at this will understand as they grow older. :)
 
I dont think the matches were bad per say some were short, but still eventful, but i think Perth should be stripped of test matches until the fans over there sort their stuff out. Embarrassing to have a near empty stadium every year over there to kick us off for the series.

IMO Ashes 2025 Should be;

Test 1- Brisbane
Test 2 - Adelaide
Test 3 - Tasmania
Test 4 - Melbourne
Test 5 - Sydney
There were 96k people at the Perth Test this year for 4 days.

If the Tasmanians hit their record crowd of 18,149 on all 5 days... you get a 90k crowd.
 
comparisons between Warner and Konstas arent clear cut according to Channel 9 and SENs Tom Morris. Morris believes Warners aggression was more controlled at the genesis of his career. Konstas is more reckless and out of control
A bit early to comparing Konstas and Warner,lol.From memory I think Warner started as a 1 day T20 cricketer and got runs there before they considered him as a test cricketer.
 

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There were 96k people at the Perth Test this year for 4 days.

If the Tasmanians hit their record crowd of 18,149 on all 5 days... you get a 90k crowd.
The point isn't the pure numbers, it's the aesthetic of a big stadium looking mostly empty.

16,000 in Tasmania looks way better than 20,000 at Perth.

It's the same thing that always gets said when MCG games have 20,000 at them. It's still 20,000, but it looks and sounds fairly bleak in that stadium.
 
It is what prevents me from attending cricket matches these days. Far too much unnecessary noise. Some call it atmosphere; I call it noise pollution. Any younger posters laughing at this will understand as they grow older. :)
I think CA need to do a better job of delineating fan zones at games, particularly for matches involving England or India.

Similar to soccer, there should be an away fan zone and a home fan zone for people that want to bring the noise and the atmosphere for each team. Let Bay 13 be Bay 13, and let the Barmy Army or the Bharat Army do their thing in a different area. And then can you have other designated areas for people who want to watch the game in peace.

The way things are now, you have people who want to stand up and chant and sing being told to sit down and shut up by people who want to watch the game quietly because they are mixed up in the same areas. Make it clear what sort of area you are buying tickets for and everyone is happier.
 
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The point isn't the pure numbers, it's the aesthetic of a big stadium looking mostly empty.

16,000 in Tasmania looks way better than 20,000 at Perth.

It's the same thing that always gets said when MCG games have 20,000 at them. It's still 20,000, but it looks and sounds fairly bleak in that stadium.

I can't see a time when Perth will ever get a sold out Optus stadium for Test cricket. I think they might get 40k for day 1 of the ashes next year but thats about it.
 
Similar to soccer, there should be an away fan zone and a home fan zone for people that want to bring the noise and the atmosphere for each team. Let Bay 13 be Bay 13, and let the Barmy Army or the Bharat Army do their thing in a different area. And then can you have other designated areas for people who want to watch the game in peace.
They do have that.

The Indian fans had thier zone. The poms have thiers.
 

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Has to be one of the worst summers of cricket I can remember.

Obviously Australia winning is a big positive. However the fact that 3/5 games were essentially done and dusted by day 3, 1 was a washout and we were left with just 1 quality game that went the length.

The pitches in Australia need some serious work. This summer was far to much in the bowlers favour and very few batsman could get on top.

Can’t have pitches that favour the bowling conditions to that degree. If this was in India and we had the same results on spinning pitches we’d be up in arms.

Found it a very disappointing series in the end and not up to the hype which was a shame.
Are you seriously suggesting that most dismissals were brought about by balls hitting cracks etc, rather than appalling technique?
 
Are you seriously suggesting that most dismissals were brought about by unplayable balls, rather than appalling technique?
No. Its an optical illusion. Batsmen had the moral victories.
 
comparisons between Warner and Konstas arent clear cut according to Channel 9 and SENs Tom Morris. Morris believes Warners aggression was more controlled at the genesis of his career. Konstas is more reckless and out of control
Konstas is no where near Warner at the same time of their career, the "kid" will need reel it all in before next year's Ashes series or he might not be playing at all? Morris is correct and his last innings should live with him for months to come....
 
I dont think the matches were bad per say some were short, but still eventful, but i think Perth should be stripped of test matches until the fans over there sort their stuff out. Embarrassing to have a near empty stadium every year over there to kick us off for the series.

IMO Ashes 2025 Should be;

Test 1- Brisbane
Test 2 - Adelaide
Test 3 - Tasmania
Test 4 - Melbourne
Test 5 - Sydney
Oh look an eastern stater coming from a place of privilege whingeing about the Perth crowds..nothing changes :rolleyes:

Few points:
  1. The Perth Crowds where up this year thats good and will be again for next year for the Ashes
  2. You think taking away the test from Perth is going to increase the crowds for the future of WA cricket ? How is that going to work if you are not promoting the game ??
  3. The Perth test is being played during the working period. We don't have the opportunity that you do of having the test played on a public holiday everyear for the last 30 odd years and continuing during the time when people who work and students have time off .......if you want the crowds to increase I guarantee if its played on Boxing Day it would be packed .....but we have not been given that opportunity like you privilege lot do and who just take it for granted year after year ...and then have the arrogance to have a go at other cities crowds...you guys have it pretty good show some respect
  4. Honestly how does it affect you the size of the Perth crowd?....you own a TV ..the Perth test is great viewing for the eastern states public after work...the tv networks love it
Finally if you feel so bad about Perth crowds and think it should be stripped...why not come over for the weekend and increase the crowd size ?? Perth stadium is fantastic..Perth is a great city and the south west has a lot to offer
 
When you consider that this team is crying out for someone with a bit of fire in the belly. We've always had someone to stand up for our team but before Konstas we didn't have that once Warner retired.
So you and your mates think Border would have exhibited more ‘fire in the belly’ by being a petulent loud mouth, rather than utilising his technique and character to give his team the best chance of success in a Test??
 

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