Traded Adam Saad [traded to Carlton with #48 and #78 for #8 and #87]

[The 747]

Could draft a patty cripps with pick 13. Its a gamble but one where a team could be alot better off


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True but you could draft Billie Smedts.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

So if he wants 2 million dollars a year you pay him that? It is up to Saad Saad to sign sign.

I’d offer him an extra year and front load his contract. Shouldn’t bite us over the next few where we should be bringing on almost exclusively youth. He’s good enough to be capable at 32.

 

[Skull Face]

Someone do the research for me and tell me how many Pick 13s have gone on to play 15yrs of AFL footy?
Or going by that logic, Saad is only 26...so he should have 9 years left, if we follow the upper echelon of your numbers there...

and if we follow the lower end its 10 years vs 2.

I've got a better one for you, name me the last premiership side to give up a 1st round pick for a HBF

 

[The 747]

I’d offer him an extra year and front load his contract. Shouldn’t bite us over the next few where we should be bringing on almost exclusively youth. He’s good enough to be capable at 32.

So would I, but he may not want to sign was the point I was getting at.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

So would I, but he may not want to sign was the point I was getting at.

Geelong may not want to trade up. They might back Wells in with the extra selection. Lots of hypothetical scenarios.

 

[Tim H]

GWS would match and always would. Greene was never going to carlton. You've missed my point. Clubs should defs select other clubs academy players to make them pay up, however I can't think of a club who hasnt matched in the first round. This means that first round academy players are basically off the table for other clubs so it doesn't matter if your pick slides, you haven't missed out on anyone you would have had a chance at. The same groups of kids you were considering would potentially be at your pick.

They don't have to pick them,
Lots of examples out there.

 

[Foucault1989]

They don't have to pick them,
Lots of examples out there.

As I said, from the first round. Care to give us an example? Even so, draft picks only slide when an academy player is bid on, meaning, that player was always destined to go to the club who they were linked to, meaning for the 17 other clubs, that player was never genuinely on the board, meaning sliding a pick back is absolutely irrelevant.

How is this difficult to comprehend?

 

[Tim H]

As I said, from the first round. Care to give us an example? Even so, draft picks only slide when an academy player is bid on, meaning, that player was always destined to go to the club who they were linked to, meaning for the 17 other clubs, that player was never genuinely on the board, meaning sliding a pick back is absolutely irrelevant.

How is this difficult to comprehend?

So Sam Walsh, always going to Carlton so not genuinely on the board. OK

 

[PrinceCharles]

So Sam Walsh, always going to Carlton so not genuinely on the board. OK

The point is over there >>>>

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

and if we follow the lower end its 10 years vs 2.

I've got a better one for you, name me the last premiership side to give up a 1st round pick for a HBF

Such a mute point. Last years premiers drafted Nick Vlastuin with pick 9 and his quality was unknown at the time.

Grant Birchall, Luke Hodge, Bachar Houli, Jason Johannisen, Andrew McLeod all smaller defenders who were either drafted early and/or played pivotal roles in premierships.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

We’ll take your future first rounder seeing as all the hype from your supporters will put you in the top 4 next year anyway.

Also, why on earth would Geelong want to split two first rounders in the teens for pick 7 and a junk pick? They are in a superb position going into somewhat of a lottery of a (compromises) draft. What am I missing here..?

 

[eth-dog]

We’ll take your future first rounder seeing as all the hype from your supporters will put you in the top 4 next year anyway.

Also, why on earth would Geelong want to split two first rounders in the teens for pick 7 and a junk pick? They are in a superb position going into somewhat of a lottery of a (compromises) draft. What am I missing here..?

Because there's a Geelong Falcons boy that should be available at 7 but is unlikely to be there at 11 when they could easily do a draft night trade to get it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pick 7 could be 12-13 on draft day. If Crouch and Daniher go, bids to JUH, Campbell, Jones and McInnes come early. Geelongs pick 13 blows out to 19 which I wouldn’t except. 12 the starting range for Saads value.

McInnis is not getting bid thAt early and crouch and daniher are not getting band 1.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Because there's a Geelong Falcons boy that should be available at 7 but is unlikely to be there at 11 when they could easily do a draft night trade to get it.

If they do the trade on draft night how does that help Carlton get picks for a trade now?

Also I doubt we want Henry or bruhn enough to do that trade.

 

[eth-dog]

If they do the trade on draft night how does that help Carlton get picks for a trade now?

Also I doubt we want Henry or bruhn enough to do that trade.

Oh that's what I was saying. Geelong might consider moving up for Bruhn but if they do it'll be on draft night. I doubt Carlton will be able to split pick 7 into 2 picks.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

You don't push a core player out the door to test the market and then turn around and cough up overs for a contract, lol. That's not good business, it's not good for player relations, and it's not good for building culture.

If we can agree to terms, he'll re-sign and everyone will celebrate. If not, then he will requests a trade and it'll get done. Most likely Pick 7 will end up at Geelong or Brisbane and we'll end up with one of their late first rounders, if not Carlton's future first.

Highly doubt a Carlisle type 3-way trade gets done for a HBF, unless for example the Bulldogs want to play the Sydney role and trade out of the first in exchange for points. Stupidly over-complicated way to do it though imo.

If Carlton are going to trade 7 might as well be to us

 

[Foucault1989]

So Sam Walsh, always going to Carlton so not genuinely on the board. OK

What are you talking about? I'm talking academy players and father sons...

 

[JacksonNMFC]

I work with Saad’s Dad and he told me this morning he will be wearing navy blue next season

 

[HARKER]

If Carlton are going to trade 7 might as well be to us

Geelong is the ideal though, as it would still leave a first rounder for Carlton to either go to the draft or to use on another recruit.

Geelong may not want to trade the #7 for what may yet end up being a #15+ & #20+ after compensation (Live picks only) but it may all be dependent on what may be available for that #7.
Geelong already hold GC's #11 and if for instance Geelong see the quality in the first dozen or so players, why not?

If I was Saad's management though, I'd want to know that arrangement is likely, because Saad should not openly nominate a team unless he knows it to be a certainty (or as close as possible to a certainty) he'd get there.

 

[catman2006]

Really cant see Cats trading up unless Wells feels their is nothing good after pick 11 or AFL make drastic list cuts

 

[Skull Face]

Such a mute point. Last years premiers drafted Nick Vlastuin with pick 9 and his quality was unknown at the time.

Grant Birchall, Luke Hodge, Bachar Houli, Jason Johannisen, Andrew McLeod all smaller defenders who were either drafted early and/or played pivotal roles in premierships.

So no club has traded a 1st round pick for a hbf and won a premiership. Those drafted players proves the point we are better off drafting a hbf that will be around for the extra 5-10 years on saad

 

[F_therest]

Really cant see Cats trading up unless Wells feels their is nothing good after pick 11 or AFL make drastic list cuts

It all hinges on how badly Geelong may want a player predicted to go before their first pick at 11 but they could get at 7.

The trade becomes that little bit more unlikely now that the WC pick is higher than expected with their loss to Collingwood.

 

[eth-dog]

It all hinges on how badly Geelong may want a player predicted to go before their first pick at 11 but they could get at 7.

The trade becomes that little bit more unlikely now that the WC pick is higher than expected with their loss to Collingwood.

Again, why wouldn't they do that trade on draft night?

 

[HARKER]

Really cant see Cats trading up unless Wells feels their is nothing good after pick 11 or AFL make drastic list cuts

I know some look at points but I don't know why, when it's the players that have to be looked at.
What if Wells knows exactly what he'd get with the #7 but unsure of what may be there for him @ #15 & #20?

The other thing though, is that Geelong may need those picks for trades and won't give them up for a quality draftee.
Lots to play out.

Again, why wouldn't they do that trade on draft night?

That's easy to say but hard to do.
Once clubs at the pointy end of the draft fall in love with what they'd get, it's hard to let go, for two they didn't have their sights trained on.

Last year right? Carlton had #9 and if one of Stephens, Serong or Young were there, there would not have ben the trade of picks done.

 

[F_therest]

Again, why wouldn't they do that trade on draft night?

Well leaving it until draft night is taking a gamble since Carlton for example probably wouldn't be interested in doing the trade anymore since the only reason we want to do it is to trade for players like Saad...but trade period would have finished by draft night.

Sure maybe they could trade up with another team, but again there's a risk it doesn't happen whereas right now they have a team actively wanting to trade pick 7 to them.