Autopsy AFL 2024 Second Elimination Final - Dogs v Hawks Fri Sept 6th 7:40pm EST (MCG) - Teams in OP

[Vindicater]

Will the Dogs allow the Hawks wingers to float back as 7th and 8th defenders? Mass and Amon are so critical for how the Hawks attack and teams just let them float free as they are too worried about the Hawks half forwards who come up to act as traditional wings.

It is a good tactic from Sam. Lulls teams into thinking they have an advantage with extra men back as their half backs don't follow the half forwards up because the wings pick them up. Then the elite kicking of Mass and Amon pick them apart with little pressure.

I would sacrifice a wing to run with Mass or Amon and see how it gums up the works. Probably Mass due to his age and inexperience but could be either.

 

[maddog37]

Hawks haven't had a positive free kick ratio in a season since 2018 and are dead last since records were collected of all clubs in terms of free kicks for/against percentage.

Dogs on the other hand.....

Good to see you making your excuses early.

 

[hawkman]

Will the Dogs allow the Hawks wingers to float back as 7th and 8th defenders? Mass and Amon are so critical for how the Hawks attack and teams just let them float free as they are too worried about the Hawks half forwards who come up to act as traditional wings.

It is a good tactic from Sam. Lulls teams into thinking they have an advantage with extra men back as their half backs don't follow the half forwards up because the wings pick them up. Then the elite kicking of Mass and Amon pick them apart with little pressure.

I would sacrifice a wing to run with Mass or Amon and see how it gums up the works. Probably Mass due to his age and inexperience but could be either.

Amon doesn't play wing. D'Ambrosio will definitely be on one but usually it will be Morrison/Jiath or Mackenzie rotating through the other

 

[hawkman]

Hawks haven't had a positive free kick ratio in a season since 2018 and are dead last since records were collected of all clubs in terms of free kicks for/against percentage.

Dogs on the other hand.....

The Dogs aren't even positive this year

 

[parsons nose]

Prior results literally make no difference. None.

‘Past performance does not indicate future performance’- you sound like one of those superannuation funds.

 

[Doggy]

‘Past performance does not indicate future performance’- you sound like one of those superannuation funds.

And yet... that is true too

 

[Vindicater]

Amon doesn't play wing. D'Ambrosio will definitely be on one but usually it will be Morrison/Jiath or Mackenzie rotating through the other

My bad. I thought it was Morrison/Jiath acting off the back flank. Either way the strat is still the same. The two wings fold back and the half forwards push up to act as traditional wings.

Works because you have drafted/recruited absolute gut runners. Smart coaching/recruiting.

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

Day ruled out…..

 

[Vindicater]

Day ruled out…..

Thats a big loss. Early in the year teams were able to lock down on Newcombe because Worpel/Nash are not big hurt factors. Who comes in to replace him? Ward?

 

[nooB]

Day ruled out…..

Yeah English was ruled out early against GWS as well and Bevo ended up naming him. Pretty sure Mitchell is trying to screw around with this one. Hope the dogs plan for him anyway.

 

[Sirlemsip]

Thats a big loss. Early in the year teams were able to lock down on Newcombe because Worpel/Nash are not big hurt factors. Who comes in to replace him? Ward?

Finn probably stays in, or will be replaced by CJ if he gets through the VFL game today.

 

[Sentinel]

Really have to feel for Hawthorn having to play this away final at night of all times. An unbelievable injustice, fortunately Sam Edmund is going into bat for them.

 

[Sirlemsip]

Really have to feel for Hawthorn having to play this away final at night of all times. An unbelievable injustice, fortunately Sam Edmund is going into bat for them.

The injustice was the AFL not fixturing us for a night game at all for two full seasons.

 

[demondavey]

‘Past performance does not indicate future performance’- you sound like one of those superannuation funds.

Well it’s true. I find it amazingly naive how people say ‘well we beat them in RD 8 so we will win this one’

Just not how it goes.

 

[demondavey]

Day is ruled out but Mitchell could be pissing about with the aim to name him as a late in.

 

[bmaurizio]

It will be a hard fought contest, quick and great to watch
Let’s see how the teams line up. One can’t help but barrack for the Hawks their style of footy is exciting, hard and entertaining. Michell, is a quality footy coach . Dogs are impressive too , moving nicely , both very solid footy teams.

 

[parsons nose]

Well it’s true. I find it amazingly naive how people say ‘well we beat them in RD 8 so we will win this one’

Just not how it goes.

I purposely avoided the word beat for the reasons you have just stated. I spoke about control of play. Control of play has little to with score but everything to do with system. Running that system against the dogs caused them significant problems because they couldn’t get the game on their terms. Now, Bevo will look at that and try to break it down. How successful he is at the won’t determine the result but it will then put the onus on Mitchell to respond. But be clear on this, Bevo has the more work to do. And getting more of the game on your terms more often than not increases your chances of winning. Furthermore, systems are not as amenable to change as tactics.

 

[StackedHunch]

Really have to feel for Hawthorn having to play this away final at night of all times. An unbelievable injustice, fortunately Sam Edmund is going into bat for them.

Can you keep your bait posts to the 2 cups board please?

 

[JD888]

Hawks have only defeated 1 top 8 side in their last 10 games, Carlton. It's a soft lead into finals, with rich x2, freo, wce, nm, coll, so we'll see how they go now they only have top 6 sides to play. Lost their last 2 vs top 6. Dogs had 3 good wins vs top 4 in last 7 games.

Yep, that kind of brings be back down to earth

 

[CarnTheScray]

Dermott - it will be harder for the dogs talls to get involved as it’s harder to mark the ball at night.

 

[My Tilly]

Dermott - it will be harder for the dogs talls to get involved as it’s harder to mark the ball at night.

He would probably know a thing or two about that.

Still, Dogs have decent smalls of their own.

 

[TheScriptorWL]

I've Seen a lot of Hawks supporter's doing rain dances and stalking BOM thinking it will give them an advantage. Which is really confusing for me. Because we have played some of our best scrappy classic Doggies football in the rain this year(Geelong at GMHBA) and last weekend against the Giants, among others that aren't as memorable.

This may be just ignorance, because I haven't really watched many Hawks games and I strongly suspect their supporters have the same gaps of knowledge.

Hawks supporters -- Why do you think this will aid you?(I'm genuinely no bullshit curious).

 

[Stratton_Gun]

I've Seen a lot of Hawks supporter's doing rain dances and stalking BOM thinking it will give them an advantage. Which is really confusing for me. Because we have played some of our best scrappy classic Doggies football in the rain this year(Geelong at GMHBA) and last weekend against the Giants, among others that aren't as memorable.

This may be just ignorance, because I haven't really watched many Hawks games and I strongly suspect their supporters have the same gaps of knowledge.

Hawks supporters -- Why do you think this will aid you?(I'm genuinely no bullshit curious).

Probably due to the the fact that it would be harder for the talla to mark in the wet.
No idea how Dogs have gone in the wet but from your post pretty good.

We have also done well against Pies and North.

It sounds like it is raining in on Friday so idk who that advantages

 

[TheScriptorWL]

Probably due to the the fact that it would be harder for the talla to mark in the wet

Ah! That makes sense. That Could mark trouble if you get athletic and especially quick numbers around the ball when it hits the deck. Otherwise, our forward line is pretty elite at groundwork. Naughton, Darcy and Occasionally Jamarra are all semi-big bodies that are scarily fast and nimble.

This is why for the most part, we get away with Weightman being our only proper small.

 

[peetoo]

Well it’s true. I find it amazingly naive how people say ‘well we beat them in RD 8 so we will win this one’

Just not how it goes.

Both recent games were one of the few where hawks seemed to dictate most of the game. Seem to match up well

I’m not carried away by hubris though. A very tough game