Autopsy AFL Round 19 - Another Loss

[Leviathan Pie]

for any Richmond or geelong fan coming on here trying to say we dont have that many injuries literally has no idea about football and are as one eyed as they get. Whilst some might not be A grade talent have you ever heard of role players? e.g. Greenwood - would of tagged dusty most likely and has made dusty his bitch in recent times.

Stephenson - Not an injury but an out none the less, rising star winner and a great young talent
Moore - first half of the year was AA form and destroyed riewoldt in round 2
Adams - Regularly finishes in our top 5 in our b&f
Wells - cream on the top really, got a small sample of what he can do if fit (3 goals in first half v sydney)
Aish - Not a star by any means but a role player and better than some players we had out there last night
Beams - a proven star with b&fs at 2 different clubs, AAs and had a big game last time we played Richmond.
Langdon - Did no one watch the finals series last year? Probably our best player, If we had beaten WCE could of won the norm smith, so so important to our defence. I actually saw during the week a few tiger fans saying how big of an out Langdon is and apparently he kills Richmond when we play.
Reid - Again not a star at all but if fit he would be in the side over cox which is an upgrade imo.
Greenwood - As said above, plays an important role for us especially when we play Richmond

If you wanna talk about Cotchin injured during the game well that's fine I'm not denying he was and he is a decent out, good player but I can easily say roughead is a bigger out and structurally for us he is, we already had no moore so out KPD stocks were thin and losing roughy who has been a great player since coming over was a big blow. Again, Cotchin is good but mids are easier to cover, just about 1/2 of the team in most sides can go through there these days.

It really reminds me of last year with these arguments with tiger fans. During home and away both times we played we ended up with 1 player on the bench and ran out of legs and inevitably Richmond ran over the top in the last quarter. None of their supporters listened and just kept mocking with pies have injuries blah blah and look what happened when we had a crack at them when we were healthy in the prelim.

Players get better, and better by the day when out injured its hilarious. Some context on the players missing;

Stephenson - High quality talent who changes our forward structure considerably. Have missed.
Moore - Made of glass, and can't be relied upon moving forward.
Adams - Very good footballer, noticeable when he misses.
Wells - Has played 15 games in 3 years.
Aish - Again, another 21/22nd man
Beams - Had showed nothing in his half-a-season prior to stepping away.
Langdon - Is he all of a sudden Matthew Scarlett? Good honest footballer, no more.
Reid - Injured, constantly - so cant rely.
Greenwood - is a 21/22nd role player

 

[Leviathan Pie]

The team deserved to be called out.

100% - but not the battlers, we know they're terrible - they know they're terrible (e.g Crocker, Daicos etc.)

When does a bloke like Steele Sidebottom cop a pasting? We had enough supposed 'good players' in that team last night to warrant being competitive, and it was nothing short of embarrassing.

 

[Captain chaos]

Why would you focus on Aish vs Rance instead of Moore vs Rance?

Or Langdon?

Aish, Moore and Langdon are 3 first choice defenders for us. Also the one part of the ground who had any consistency before we lost too many of them. We also lost Roughest at half time.

I agree that injury is not the only factor (over the season of 2019 for pies) but at least for the last 3 weeks or so it is past the point of coverage for most teams.

Still there are issues even injuries shouldn't effect at play that is disappointing to view.

Ok.. moore v rance.. not even a competition. One guy has played about 10 good games the other is a superstar.

Their youth is also pretty scary as they are not really an old team.

 

[Nuwanda]

Players get better, and better by the day when out injured its hilarious. Some context on the players missing;

Stephenson - High quality talent who changes our forward structure considerably. Have missed.
Moore - Made of glass, and can't be relied upon moving forward.
Adams - Very good footballer, noticeable when he misses.
Wells - Has played 15 games in 3 years.
Aish - Again, another 21/22nd man
Beams - Had showed nothing in his half-a-season prior to stepping away.
Langdon - Is he all of a sudden Matthew Scarlett? Good honest footballer, no more.
Reid - Injured, constantly - so cant rely.
Greenwood - is a 21/22nd role player

Langdon showed he is more than a ‘good honest footballer, no more’, in that he was not only instrumental in getting us into a GF, but the team performs so much better when he is down there. He is probably our most important backman.

 

[Daicos Daze]

It’s hard too Swallow Bitter Pill
But I’m confident we can re group and be a threat in September
We had a undermanned team and I believe the score line could have been worse
Bring in some of our injured stars , fit and firing
Then we can certainly give the Finals a good shake
The Premiership Cup is there to be placed in our cabinet

Go Pies

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Langdon showed he is more than a ‘good honest footballer, no more’, in that he was not only instrumental in getting us into a GF, but the team performs so much better when he is down there. He is probably our most important backman.

He is a good honest footballer - he isn't a superstar by any stretch.

 

[loki04]

Ok.. moore v rance.. not even a competition. One guy has played about 10 good games the other is a superstar.

Their youth is also pretty scary as they are not really an old team.

Moore was on track for AA CHB before injuries struck him and team. Seems a pretty decent and relevant compare for 2019...

 

[barrackers]

The only positive I can draw out of last night was how salty tig supporters still are at losing the prelim and not going back-to-back in '18. Their bronx USA call driven by their cheer squad area was embarrassing to the black and yellow and only served to highlight just how much Cox's prelim domination still burns. To those sore losers thanks for bringing a smile on a dark Colllingwood night.

 

[spartan-magpie]

I'd bring Atu in for crocker too let him play the year out for the experience and fast track development. His form has also been good for a block in the vfl.

We need some small exciting quicks.

I’d like to see us bring in the Liam Ryan or someone similar.

Too many vanilla players at collingwood.

 

[spartan-magpie]

He is a good honest footballer - he isn't a superstar by any stretch.

No, he isn’t a star, but he is the best intercept backman we had. Our backline looked so much more cohesive and impenetrable with him there. Its no coincidence we’ve been much poorer without him down back.

He is vital.

 

[Stoods]

Players get better, and better by the day when out injured its hilarious. Some context on the players missing;

Stephenson - High quality talent who changes our forward structure considerably. Have missed.
Moore - Made of glass, and can't be relied upon moving forward.
Adams - Very good footballer, noticeable when he misses.
Wells - Has played 15 games in 3 years.
Aish - Again, another 21/22nd man
Beams - Had showed nothing in his half-a-season prior to stepping away.
Langdon - Is he all of a sudden Matthew Scarlett? Good honest footballer, no more.
Reid - Injured, constantly - so cant rely.
Greenwood - is a 21/22nd role player

So are you saying what i said about them isnt true? It's facts, if all the players i have listed are in our side we are a much better side than what we are. Now i am definitely not saying that is the sole reason for us playing poorly, it is definitely a contributor but there are many.

What you have said may be also true but again that doesn't change that when they are in our side we are better. Moore was in great form earlier in the year, Aish and Greenwood whilst i agree are probably in that 18-22 range when we have our best 22 are still important role players for us and are upgrades on Quaynor (at the moment) and Daicos. Beams had 36 disposals last time we played them, whilst he was out of form for other games he still fills a role which allows De Goey to play forward a lot more. As for Langdon, no he is not Scarlett like but very important to our back 6.

 

[Nuwanda]

2x 1st rounders for Beams says it all.
Compare the 2 teams last night.

One has been able to identify and bring in young talent who have stepped up. The other has little depth and intent on wasting valuable high draft picks on troubled players.

We got ahead of ourselves over 1 season last year. Was that the norm? Obviously it wasn’t when you look at the previous seasons. Collingwood, Melbourne, Hawthorn all the same.

Our issues are far greater that we couldn’t afford to go all in on Beams. We needed to play hardball but we wilted. The scary thing is what do we have in the VFL to take spots?

Ata is so far away from playing AFL.
Quaynor also isn’t quite ready as yet.
Kelly injures.

In such a strong draft, I think we could have done better. We’re we too committed to Quaynor at an early stage that we missed out of the potential to pick up other talent which may have better suited our needs?

Anyway, very disappointing year - both on and off the field.

 

[spartan-magpie]

The worst part about the loss was the giggling by Richmond players after they kicked goals. Several times I saw them having a laugh after a goal. You don’t normally see this too often during a match.

I hope the players all get that vision and watch it. They were laughing at us.

 

[Nuwanda]

He is a good honest footballer - he isn't a superstar by any stretch.

Depends upon your definition of superstar. To me, a superstar is in the top 10-20 players in the league. So, he doesn’t need to be, however, he is probably our most important backman.

 

[loki04]

2x 1st rounders for Beams says it all.
Compare the 2 teams last night.

One has been able to identify and bring in young talent who have stepped up. The other has little depth and intent on wasting valuable high draft picks on troubled players.

We got ahead of ourselves over 1 season last year. Was that the norm? Obviously it wasn’t when you look at the previous seasons. Collingwood, Melbourne, Hawthorn all the same.

Our issues are far greater that we couldn’t afford to go all in on Beams. We needed to play hardball but we wilted. The scary thing is what do we have in the VFL to take spots?

Ata is so far away from playing AFL.
Quaynor also isn’t quite ready as yet.
Kelly injures.

In such a strong draft, I think we could have done better. We’re we too committed to Quaynor at an early stage that we missed out of the potential to pick up other talent which may have better suited our needs?

Anyway, very disappointing year - both on and off the field.

We should of traded pick 18 for either more live picks or used it in a package to land the much quicker harder and younger D.Sheil.

 

[loki04]

He is a good honest footballer - he isn't a superstar by any stretch.

Yup he is a good footballer and part of our best structure back there.

But has a way to go to get too elite HBF given he only averages (surprisingly) 200m gained per game. Same as Schaz.

 

[Stoods]

Wow Cox has been bad! If we actually had someone to replace him he would be out of the side for sure. So out of form in every aspect at the moment it's crazy.

I tell you what though one thing which really put a smile on my face was when the tigers fans were chanting USA USA, it's a clear indicator that they are still hurt from the prelim so overall a poor night but that part was good

 

[barrackers]

We should of traded pick 18 for either more live picks or used it in a package to land the much quicker harder and younger D.Sheil.

I like Shiel as a player and he would have been a better addition than Beams especially longterm, the only knock is his kicking isn't much better than Treloar's.

 

[nahnah]

Wow Cox has been bad! If we actually had someone to replace him he would be out of the side for sure. So out of form in every aspect at the moment it's crazy.

I tell you what though one thing which really put a smile on my face was when the tigers fans were chanting USA USA, it's a clear indicator that they are still hurt from the prelim so overall a poor night but that part was good

They’re forever in our shadow

 

[StuckInTheTwoz]

A pretty much full strength Pies vs a nearly full strength Richmond in round 2, we flog them. The difference is last nights game is The Collingwood Football Club has THE worst medical team in football.

Richmond was "injury-ravaged" this year, compare how Richmond managed their injuries throughout the year to our amateur hour year on year showing:

• Tom Lynch - Perfectly managed (allowed to play where possible, enough to find some form come finals, now full strength)
• Jack Riewoldt - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Dustin Martin - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Dylan Grimes - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Toby Nankervis - Unknown, but given he is knocking on the door for selection, I'm sure he will be right come finals

Now the Pies:

• Darcy Moore - In and out with the same injury (TWICE)
• Taylor Adams - In and out with the same injury (TWICE)
• Tom Langdon - Took this long to identify he needed surgery
• Jeremy Howe - In and out with injury
• Matt Scharenberg - In and out with injury, form seems completely shot
• Jamie Elliot - In and out with the same injury, form seems completely shot
• Ben Ried - Chronically injured with the same crap year on year.
• Daniel Wells - Unfortunate injury vs. the Swans, but has been chronically injured while at the Pies
• Dayne Beams - 2 first rounds for what? He CLEARLY is broken and we failed to identify that.

It's a JOKE. The fact I can name off the top of my head 8 best 22 players (ill exclude Howe but hs is nearing that title, but I'm also not including blokes like WHE who's form seems shot) who are chronically injured is an indictment on the medical team and on the list management team.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

2x 1st rounders for Beams says it all.
Compare the 2 teams last night.

One has been able to identify and bring in young talent who have stepped up. The other has little depth and intent on wasting valuable high draft picks on troubled players.

We got ahead of ourselves over 1 season last year. Was that the norm? Obviously it wasn’t when you look at the previous seasons. Collingwood, Melbourne, Hawthorn all the same.

Our issues are far greater that we couldn’t afford to go all in on Beams. We needed to play hardball but we wilted. The scary thing is what do we have in the VFL to take spots?

Ata is so far away from playing AFL.
Quaynor also isn’t quite ready as yet.
Kelly injures.

In such a strong draft, I think we could have done better. We’re we too committed to Quaynor at an early stage that we missed out of the potential to pick up other talent which may have better suited our needs?

Anyway, very disappointing year - both on and off the field.

Hit the mark. Great post.

Also too the fact Pies persisted with Reid and Wells so long expecting them to suddenly turn it around after years....and everyone wonders why Collingwood is constantly in top of the injury list ladder with players like that and Elliot and Moore.

Then they go recruit a 30yo Beams.

I still don't understand why they put all their eggs in one basket with Cox and Reid as the key talls, especially since an aging Cloke gave about 3years worth of notice, via poor form, informing the club that they needed to find key forwards.

 

[Nuwanda]

A pretty much full strength Pies vs a nearly full strength Richmond in round 2, we flog them. The difference is last nights game is The Collingwood Football Club has THE worst medical team in football.

Richmond was "injury-ravaged" this year, compare how Richmond managed their injuries throughout the year to our amateur hour year on year showing:

• Tom Lynch - Perfectly managed (allowed to play where possible, enough to find some form come finals, now full strength)
• Jack Riewoldt - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Dustin Martin - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Dylan Grimes - Perfectly managed (given enough time off, properly load managed, now back at full strength)
• Toby Nankervis - Unknown, but given he is knocking on the door for selection, I'm sure he will be right come finals

Now the Pies:

• Darcy Moore - In and out with the same injury (TWICE)
• Taylor Adams - In and out with the same injury (TWICE)
• Tom Langdon - Took this long to identify he needed surgery
• Jeremy Howe - In and out with injury
• Matt Scharenberg - In and out with injury, form seems completely shot
• Jamie Elliot - In and out with the same injury, form seems completely shot
• Ben Ried - Chronically injured with the same crap year on year.
• Daniel Wells - Unfortunate injury vs. the Swans, but has been chronically injured while at the Pies
• Dayne Beams - 2 first rounds for what? He CLEARLY is broken and we failed to identify that.

It's a JOKE. The fact I can name off the top of my head 8 best 22 players (ill exclude Howe but hs is nearing that title) who are chronically injured is an indictment on the medical team and on the list management team.

I don’t think the club sees it as an issue.
If they did they would be looking to poach the best medical team out there.

 

[ARES]

It's simple, down in form and injuries

A few of the players you have out compliment the structure regardless what they rate in skill. Can't start comparing players to players from other teams

Get 4-5 of your players back, confidence comes with wins

Best 22 you are capable of competing with the best, but your youngsters don't seem to have come along as well as Richmond's youngsters. Think you may have given away a lot of low picks but more importantly the 20-30s, to get top quality players from other teams over the years and this has hampered picking players from 20-30s, just my observation could be wrong though.
Think we have been lucky and or good coaching from reserves to get the depth that has played in the firsts this year

 

[mike123]

This isn’t really surprising. All year our backline has provided no run, our midfield has been soft and our forwards have underperformed, the wins at the start of the year just papered over the cracks. It’s only now it’s finally getting exposed.

 

[Kilmo]

Season is over. Time to look toward 2020

Keep the faith