Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency XI - McKay. Goldstein. Gresham. Duursma!

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[Howard Moon]

I’d take the risk on Simms body over a late 30s pick in this draft. There’s some serious upside if we can get him right and his skillset is exactly what we need

amirite Lore

 

[FlyingV]

Did not realise how bad the situation with Sinn's body is.

I'd probably still take the risk.

I don't rate BZT and doubt Port will value him as more than a 3rd round pick.

If I'm faced with the risk and reward of Sinn for a 3rd round pick, I'd take Sinn. What's the likelihood that we can use that pick to target a fit for the list as good as Sinn? It seems pretty low to me.

We've had success rehabbing OP, fixing Joe for Brisbane and getting Stewart back so that he could ruin other parts of his body. We got Caldwell from the point that he played about 20 games in 5 years to 41 games in the last 2. Baldwin has been durable after consecutive knee recos. I don't balme our people for Reid and Cox. Those are fragile rigs that are prone to growing pains.

But if it was for a pick in the early-to-mid 20s, which is what people seem to be speculating about here, a pipe dream in my view, I'd probably just take the pick. It's high enough to target a needs based player or to use to deal for better picks.

I too would take him over a late 30s pick. Would think in order for this to occur Josh would need to come to the table and voice a desire to go back to vic, as they won’t release him willingly (unless his injuries are truely are THAT bad)

 

[The Donners]

With Stewart gone, Jones' body unreliable, and Weid being Weid, Buku Khamis could be worth a looking at. Apparently kicked a lot of VFL goals.
VFL watchers?

Granted I’ve only seen highlights but they appeared to me to be cherry picking goals

 

[citizen-erased]

Not really a key forward if that’s what you mean. More of a third tall type that uses his athleticism but doesn’t have great leading patterns

Langford could be chf with khamis as a 3rd, but we also have perkins and stringer.

 

[cAsEy_18]

I'm over taking risks on injury prone guys who "Could be anything, if he gets his body right". Be it trading in, or draft.

Give me a whole list of competitive, fit guys who will play most of the season.

This is how we get into the middle of the season with 6-7 injuries, who take longer than expected to recover due to our shitty conditioning team, we then have 5-6 on the list who "aren't ready for AFL" for whatever reason and that's when you get to the "Well, I guess it's Snelling, because who else is it going to be?" stage.

 

[dank420_]

Josh Sinnjured all the time.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

I feel like we are onto a winner in Hayes. That frame is going to fill out and I reckon he could improve rapidly next season

Totally agree. He could be what we wanted Reid to be.

 

[Milanista28]

Perkins Jones Lohmann
Menzie Wright Langford

Is there enough balance/pressure in a forward 6 that looks like this?

 

[TheGrizz]

I don't think McKay precludes the others playing / developing.

Ridley and Cox playing more loose roles alongside two of McKay / Hayes / Reid / Baldwin.

Cox is unlikely to ever hold down a KPP role, Reid has had a lot of issues with his body. It could easily be Hayes / Baldwin / McKay competing for those 2 KPD roles alongside more mobile guys like Ridley & Cox.

I'm at the point with Cox that I think it is CHB or bust.

He doesn't seem to have the game awareness/ability to read the play well enough to play as a flanker or roll off interceptor. We saw that role not suit him towards the back end of the year off a wing and back flank.

I think if he is to make it is starting back-shoulder to someone who will lead him to the ball, and then using his athleticism to run off them on the turnover and use his skill.

 

[andleanback]

Perkins Jones Lohmann
Menzie Wright Langford

Is there enough balance/pressure in a forward 6 that looks like this?

Nope not by a mile

 

[citizen-erased]

Perkins Jones Lohmann
Menzie Wright Langford

Is there enough balance/pressure in a forward 6 that looks like this?

don't mind that, with Martin, Parish, Caldwell, Hobbs pushing fwd too.
Keep Merrett, Durham, Setterfield etc. a bit back

 

[citizen-erased]

I'm at the point with Cox that I think it is CHB or bust.

He doesn't seem to have the game awareness/ability to read the play well enough to play as a flanker or roll off interceptor. We saw that role not suit him towards the back end of the year off a wing and back flank.

I think if he is to make it is starting back-shoulder to someone who will lead him to the ball, and then using his athleticism to run off them on the turnover and use his skill.

yep.
McKay or not, he has to start there next year and make it work. i doubt it's long before Hayes is ready to pressure going off VFL reports.

 

[Milanista28]

Nope not by a mile

Not sure we're going to able to put much better out there, forward line gonna be average again in 2024

 

[Milanista28]

don't mind that, with Martin, Parish, Caldwell, Hobbs pushing fwd too.
Keep Merrett, Durham, Setterfield etc. a bit back

Yeah, I'd rather have Jones, Hunter or Voss over the resting ruck, but all 3 have big question marks over them.

 

[andleanback]

Not sure we're going to able to put much better out there, forward line gonna be average again in 2024

Hopefully Davey can go to another level after a full preseason

But it’s hard to make a judgement on what our forward line could look like until the trade and draft period

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

I'm at the point with Cox that I think it is CHB or bust.

He doesn't seem to have the game awareness/ability to read the play well enough to play as a flanker or roll off interceptor. We saw that role not suit him towards the back end of the year off a wing and back flank.

I think if he is to make it is starting back-shoulder to someone who will lead him to the ball, and then using his athleticism to run off them on the turnover and use his skill.

I might be wrong, but to me it seems he does, it's just that his body reacts much later than his mind.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Nope not by a mile

Yeah, Lohmann can **** right off.

 

[Nicholas61]

Buku Khamis could be worth a looking at.

Remembered a night match he was causing trouble for the opposition. Lots of competition with talls at the Bulldogs.

 

[Nicholas61]

Yeah, Lohmann can * right off.

What are his shortcomings?

 

[Yoda_]

I'm over taking risks on injury prone guys who "Could be anything, if he gets his body right". Be it trading in, or draft.

Give me a whole list of competitive, fit guys who will play most of the season.

This is how we get into the middle of the season with 6-7 injuries, who take longer than expected to recover due to our shitty conditioning team, we then have 5-6 on the list who "aren't ready for AFL" for whatever reason and that's when you get to the "Well, I guess it's Snelling, because who else is it going to be?" stage.

I wanna extend this "could be anything" point of view to the types of players we take.

Adrian Dodoro / RFK seems to avoid taking meat and potato guys. Hobbs is probably the most glaringly obvious guy who fell into our lap but even I would suggest wasn't a good fit to our list profile when we drafted him.

Have touched on this in another thread but we tend to have "almost" guys everywhere. Even Merret, as good as he is, is he an inside midfielder? is he an outside midfielder? Parish? is he going to stand up in big finals? Jake Stringer is our best clearance burst player and was our leading tackler inside 50 this year. Weird but true.

Even in defence, Laverde, BZT are so-so KPD's, not big enough for a #1 or #2 spot but they continue to occupy them due to our list make up. This is why I am starting to come around to McKay. He is a genuine KPD.

 

[citizen-erased]

I wanna extend this "could be anything" point of view to the types of players we take.

Adrian Dodoro / RFK seems to avoid taking meat and potato guys. Hobbs is probably the most glaringly obvious guy who fell into our lap but even I would suggest wasn't a good fit to our list profile when we drafted him.

Have touched on this in another thread but we tend to have "almost" guys everywhere. Even Merret, as good as he is, is he an inside midfielder? is he an outside midfielder? Parish? is he going to stand up in big finals? Jake Stringer is our best clearance burst player and was our leading tackler inside 50 this year. Weird but true.

Even in defence, Laverde, BZT are so-so KPD's, not big enough for a #1 or #2 spot but they continue to occupy them due to our list make up. This is why I am starting to come around to McKay. He is a genuine KPD.

Ive.come around on if our pick is going to be impacted, we may as well roll the dice on a mature key back.

 

[DonsRule]

I wanna extend this "could be anything" point of view to the types of players we take.

Adrian Dodoro / RFK seems to avoid taking meat and potato guys. Hobbs is probably the most glaringly obvious guy who fell into our lap but even I would suggest wasn't a good fit to our list profile when we drafted him.

Have touched on this in another thread but we tend to have "almost" guys everywhere. Even Merret, as good as he is, is he an inside midfielder? is he an outside midfielder? Parish? is he going to stand up in big finals? Jake Stringer is our best clearance burst player and was our leading tackler inside 50 this year. Weird but true.

Even in defence, Laverde, BZT are so-so KPD's, not big enough for a #1 or #2 spot but they continue to occupy them due to our list make up. This is why I am starting to come around to McKay. He is a genuine KPD.

Yep and why our drafting is so frustrating

Not that the players we pick may be bad just that we seemingly have no real clear strategy and end with lots of similar types.

 

[citizen-erased]

Yeah, I'd rather have Jones, Hunter or Voss over the resting ruck, but all 3 have big question marks over them.

Yep.
And they'll remain ? for a while i imagonr.
Could wager all 3 are off the list by end of next year.

 

[faible]

I wanna extend this "could be anything" point of view to the types of players we take.

Adrian Dodoro / RFK seems to avoid taking meat and potato guys. Hobbs is probably the most glaringly obvious guy who fell into our lap but even I would suggest wasn't a good fit to our list profile when we drafted him.

Have touched on this in another thread but we tend to have "almost" guys everywhere. Even Merret, as good as he is, is he an inside midfielder? is he an outside midfielder? Parish? is he going to stand up in big finals? Jake Stringer is our best clearance burst player and was our leading tackler inside 50 this year. Weird but true.

Even in defence, Laverde, BZT are so-so KPD's, not big enough for a #1 or #2 spot but they continue to occupy them due to our list make up. This is why I am starting to come around to McKay. He is a genuine KPD.

Merrett is a nicely balanced midfielder with elite kicking. There exists a realm between pure outside midfielder and pure inside midfielder. These are the guys that can end up playing outside the midfield on a flank to accommodate other guys who are less versatile, or go on-ball as needed.

Problem is that we simply don't draft for a balanced midfield so end up with a heap of same-same type players, and because Merrett is the only elite kick of our midfielders, he inevitably gets tagged.

 

[doug85]

I wanna extend this "could be anything" point of view to the types of players we take.

Adrian Dodoro / RFK seems to avoid taking meat and potato guys. Hobbs is probably the most glaringly obvious guy who fell into our lap but even I would suggest wasn't a good fit to our list profile when we drafted him.

Have touched on this in another thread but we tend to have "almost" guys everywhere. Even Merret, as good as he is, is he an inside midfielder? is he an outside midfielder? Parish? is he going to stand up in big finals? Jake Stringer is our best clearance burst player and was our leading tackler inside 50 this year. Weird but true.

Even in defence, Laverde, BZT are so-so KPD's, not big enough for a #1 or #2 spot but they continue to occupy them due to our list make up. This is why I am starting to come around to McKay. He is a genuine KPD.

I reckon we tend to go best available with first rounders (generally). But we’ve really rolled the dice far too much with our later picks.