Aker an Asset

[Bojangles17]

Would it still be the final word if we could get him for a second rounder and Greg Tivendale/Ray Hall?

i personally wouldnt trade a 2nd rounder for a 30 yo....officials may see it differently.

If TW sticks to the plan then we should be introducing quality juniors onto the list ea season, and reality tells us that is most effectively done with high pix, R1 or 2 selections...sure theyll be exceptions with Tucky and rainsey 70+ selections but the balance of probablity is against those that stock their lists with low round draft pix ...refer to Carlton..

 

[Truetiger]

i have to admit i havnt read half of the posts, but i gotta have my say in this..aker is a good player etc.. but he is a complete tosser and i would hate to see him in the yellow and black!!

well he is a tosser that will come in handy then lol.

 

[Weaver]

If TW sticks to the plan then we should be introducing quality juniors onto the list ea season, and reality tells us that is most effectively done with high pix, R1 or 2 selections...sure theyll be exceptions with Tucky and rainsey 70+ selections but the balance of probablity is against those that stock their lists with low round draft pix ...refer to Carlton..

Depends a bit on player types. If you want top notch runners and KP types you have to get them early because there are only ever 4-5 good ones in any year.

Towards the bottom of the draft there are always Newman, Hyde, Hartigan, White types. Solid, unspectacular centre-square players who can do a job. They are unlikely to turn out to be match winners, but we should be able to get one every year.

 

[Tyger]

I would love to see Aker at the club. He may only have 3 or 4 years left as a player, but he brings a wealth of football knowledge and experience which would be invaluable to a developing list.

 

[CoggaRules]

I would love to see Aker at the club. He may only have 3 or 4 years left as a player, but he brings a wealth of football knowledge and experience which would be invaluable to a developing list.

add to that, the gig factor that draws the corwd to the games, kids would want to see Aker play, makes people buy a membership, along with another media presence that "plays" for the tigers, etc etc. Not to mention that lets say he hangs up his boots in say 4 years. We might have ourselves a ready made "skills" coach that actually possesed "skills" as well.
Very narrow minded thinking by those against Aker becomign a tiger. I would be betting they are the same dudes who were against Fev as well.
The investement in an AKer pays for itself.

 

[Tyger]

And yet we accept Knobel, Stafford, Gaspar, P.Bowden, Simmonds, Brown, Johnson .......

 

[froars]

And yet we accept Knobel, Stafford, Gaspar, P.Bowden, Simmonds, Brown, Johnson .......

But why accept another one?

Crazy stuff - scenario in three years - Richmond makes the grand final, but there is doubt whether ageing superstar Aker will make the team due to injury, poor form, whatever.

I can just picture Bigfooty on the eve of the grand final, "Drop the dud and play the kids" lol.

 

[Tyger]

If he has imparted his knowledge onto the kids we won't need him.

 

[froars]

If he has imparted his knowledge onto the kids we won't need him.

50 easy lessons on how to bag the coach lol

 

[CoggaRules]

50 easy lessons on how to bag the coach lol

would have been extremely handy to posses that kind of skill a few years ago for the tigers. We might have then seen the Dud is a Dud, instead of we fully support the coach even though blind freddy can see he is just that, a Dud. Things tend to happen when the truth is suggested instead of BS.

 

[Tyger]

I think Terry can work the media far better than Aker does.

 

[froars]

would have been extremely handy to posses that kind of skill a few years ago for the tigers. We might have then seen the Dud is a Dud, instead of we fully support the coach even though blind freddy can see he is just that, a Dud. Things tend to happen when the truth is suggested instead of BS.

Yeah, but we don't have a dud coach now.
I think that's what you were trying to say, although is a tad hard to work out sometimes lol

 

[froars]

I think Terry can work the media far better than Aker does.

I reckon it would be neck and neck who is best at promoting themselves. Terry does all right, but hasn't yet got his own shrine to himself yet

http://www.jasonakermanis.com.au/

Cute puppy lol.

 

[CoggaRules]

50 easy lessons on how to bag the coach lol

yeah, but you know whay froars? you never really see a middle of the road player back his stature in the game and suggest what he feels is a problem do you?
I mean, just imagine this scenario, Chaffey coming out and suggesting that TW had NFI. I would be tipping it would be front page of the Hun, dont you?
He wouldnt dare, why? because he gets shown the door and i can see it now, interviews from coches, suggestions that any team would want to take a look at him, because when a player of his skill and class, becomes available, even though he is outspoken, the line outside Punt rd to speak to him would stretch a kilometer.
I mean if you look at us, we have bent over backwards to keep a player that wanted to leave and showed the door to one that didnt. We make the right moves always dont we, when it comes to loyalty and playing for the jumper?

 

[froars]

Sorry dude, I need a translator for your posts. Just break it down a bit - not sure what your point is.

 

[CoggaRules]

Sorry dude, I need a translator for your posts. Just break it down a bit - not sure what your point is.

a player who hasnt got skill and class and knows that he is just an average run of the mill player, will never come out and bag the coach, becuase he is making money and that would make him not make money. Aker does it because he has the goods and isnt afraid to change clubs, because he has the goods that add value to a club.

 

[froars]

a player who hasnt got skill and class and knows that he is just an average run of the mill player, will never come out and bag the coach, becuase he is making money and that would make him not make money. Aker does it because he has the goods and isnt afraid to change clubs, because he has the goods that add value to a club.

I luv Aker and thought that he was shafted a bit by his club, but what you're just highlighting is that it's better to be an individual rather than a team member. Doesn't matter if you're a champ or an average player, that's just not good enough in any work, club, whatever environment.

 

[Weaver]

And yet we accept Knobel, Stafford, Gaspar, P.Bowden, Simmonds, Brown, Johnson .......

Simmonds, Knobel and Stafford are ruckmen. We needed a ready to go ruckman because we simply did not have other options. We recruited to paper-over a glaring hole. We don't have a need for a HFF, it is one position we have depth.

We got Brown as a 26 year old. We had no class or quality and needed someone. If we didn't have Brown sure go out and recruit Aker. But we have Brown. Akermanis will be 30 next season.

Gaspar was 20 when he joined us. We have gotten 200 games and 2 AAs from him. Hardly the same as adding a 30 year old in a position we have covered.

Johnson was 25 when he joined us. Adding him to the midfield immediately made Coughlan's task easier and we got more from all our midfielders.

If we didn't have a large batch of veterans then get Aker for sure. But we have veterans.

If we didn't have a mentor for the small forwards then get Aker, but we have Brown.

If we were close to finals or a premiership, then get Aker, but we are not.

Aker is simply a bad fit for us with the structure of our list and where we are at in our development cycle.

In a few years time we might benefit from targeting a 30 year old vet. It might be that a 30-year old Alan Didak makes sense - at that time it might be exactly what we need. But right NOW Aker doesn't.

 

[CoggaRules]

I luv Aker and thought that he was shafted a bit by his club, but what you're just highlighting is that it's better to be an individual rather than a team member. Doesn't matter if you're a champ or an average player, that's just not good enough in any work, club, whatever environment.

i am not here or there with an Aker coming to the tigers. ALthough i feel the brains trust erred with Fev, they did purely on the basis of weighing up the pros and cons and the pros outweighed the cons, but not enough to swing it.
The same will happen with Aker, if the pros far outweigh the cons, then they would be mad not to, if not then ok, stick to your plan.
Like when we debate stuff like this, you need to really differentiate between the chucked on the scrap heap type of recycled player that would jump at the next contract thrust in front of him and the out of the blue, didnt ever think he would be available star, that knows half the comp would be doing back flips to get him at their club.

 

[froars]

Like when we debate stuff like this, you need to really differentiate between the chucked on the scrap heap type of recycled player that would jump at the next contract thrust in front of him and the out of the blue, didnt ever think he would be available star, that knows half the comp would be doing back flips to get him at their club.

Backflips or not, if you're not in a position to get maximum mileage out of such a player what's the point? We're not going to win a premiership in his footy lifetime.

 

[CoggaRules]

Backflips or not, if you're not in a position to get maximum mileage out of such a player what's the point? We're not going to win a premiership in his footy lifetime.

hmmm, so you have little faith in the 5 year plan that has 3 more years to go huh? Funny how that gets lost in the smoke isnt it?
Here is a hint there froars. Think about what our big nemesis has been.
I would think its more about scoring than anything else dont you think? Or maybe that Richo has if not a 2 on 1, a 3 on 1, to contend with inside the F50 everytime, because Brownie aint there and the others only need 1 and sometimes none to mind them.

 

[froars]

hmmm, so you have little faith in the 5 year plan that has 3 more years to go huh? Funny how that gets lost in the smoke isnt it?

I do have faith in the plan that we will eventually get some regular finals appearances if we stick to the youth plan we have in place now. If you recruit Aker, you might just sneak in a premiership - big, big might - at the detriment of deviating from your goals of a decade of success. That's Terry's formula, not mine - to get as many kids in the 22 to 26 age bracket to sustain a decade of success. I think it's a good formula, and deviating away from it on a 30 year old just would be a smack in the face to all supporters by Terry by going against what he thinks is the best thing for the club.

He gets a lot of support from me because I like his theories. Would not like to see him sucked in by supporters who would forgo those just for a big gamble on a player like Aker.

 

[CoggaRules]

I do have faith in the plan that we will eventually get some regular finals appearances if we stick to the youth plan we have in place now. If you recruit Aker, you might just sneak in a premiership - big, big might - at the detriment of deviating from your goals of a decade of success. That's Terry's formula, not mine - to get as many kids in the 22 to 26 age bracket to sustain a decade of success. I think it's a good formula, and deviating away from it on a 30 year old just would be a smack in the face to all supporters by Terry by going against what he thinks is the best thing for the club.

He gets a lot of support from me because I like his theories. Would not like to see him sucked in by supporters who would forgo those just for a big gamble on a player like Aker.

ahhh, but TW's formula was based on a 5 year plan wasnt it?
You also seem to think that anyone we draft is going to make it huh?
Or even if they dont, they will form the basis of your 22 to 26 age bracket, which 3 years down the track will equate to more than half the side, with what we see right now. So you have this pipe dream that we are going to do a baby bombers huh? yep, keep dreaming. Why? because when that happened, there were only a couple of coaches that knew what they were doing, one of which was Sheeds, nowadays, everyone wants kids, so you have got many more chances of "ending" up with a pick than "picking" the one you want.

 

[Tyger]

The reality is that we will probably not get Aker. Therefore this is a hypothetical discussion on his value to our team. I don't think TW will do anything that he doesn't want to do regardless of what the supporters think.

 

[froars]

ahhh, but TW's formula was based on a 5 year plan wasnt it?
You also seem to think that anyone we draft is going to make it huh?
Or even if they dont, they will form the basis of your 22 to 26 age bracket, which 3 years down the track will equate to more than half the side, with what we see right now. So you have this pipe dream that we are going to do a baby bombers huh? yep, keep dreaming. Why? because when that happened, there were only a couple of coaches that knew what they were doing, one of which was Sheeds, nowadays, everyone wants kids, so you have got many more chances of "ending" up with a pick than "picking" the one you want.

We'd do better with a team like the Baby Bombers than a team full of Baby Boomers lol
Please don't aah and huh me lol