Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[peetoo]

What ties do Labor and the Greens currently have?

Labor-greens coalition… only in the minds of players in an actual coalition

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You don't get to the top by being stupid. Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie may give the impression of being buffoons at times but they know their populist rhetoric and their base to get the votes they need. In Hanson's case, she sabotaged herself by tearing apart her party whenever a challenger arose.

Yes, I am also including Donald Trump in this. I don't think anyone is truly a low IQ mouth-breather once you start rising in politics. Easy enough to get a foothold in local politics but going up the ranks takes ambition and drive and that's not possible if you're an idiot because you get played by those smarter than you in politics.

Dubya? Reagan?

 

[peetoo]

“So to succeed, we need a leader who’s a believable actor”

“What about an actual actor?”

 

[barreness]

What ties do Labor and the Greens currently have?

They're both cowards, so solidarity I guess

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The target range is just that. The nation won't fall apart if it's a bit outside. People need jobs, food and shelter.

Priorities are in the wrong place if everything is all about inflation, damn the consequences. Short of a radical re-structure of the economy (eg abolishing investment properties, which won't happen), what else can you do to tackle it apart from tinkering at the edges?

Inflation is a by-product of the dogmatic pursuit of economic growth as an end in and of itself. Obscene profits and executive pay packets (never mind policies that put government money back in the pockets of high earners, lead to runaway house prices by incentivising investment over owner/occupiers etc) are the problem, not someone on mimum wage receiving less than an extra dollar per hour.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Like yeah I don't think he has much courage, he sure as shit doesn't seem to have passion of conviction to stand up for anything.

But, largely I think he is exactly what he's been for years now in action, which is a conservative politician who cosplays a progressive.

An ALP Turnbull

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Albo must distance himself and the Labor party from the Greens who are a party that supports hate and violence. They bring nothing but disharmony and divisiveness to the table in Australian politics. There is something decidedly sinister about the Greens and if Albo wants another term he needs to cut ties immediately.

If you think they're sinister, clearly they're doing something right.

 

[Vindicater]

Not sure if mentioned elsewhere, but seat redistributions may make it harder for the ALP in next year's Federal election.

Michelle Ananda-Rajah's seat of Higgins set to be abolished at next federal election

The federal seat of Higgins in Victoria will be abolished at the next federal election, meaning local MP Michelle Ananda-Rajah will either have to contest a new seat, find a place on a Senate ticket or quit politics altogether.

www.abc.net.au

The big impact is Higgins (now ALP held) being abolished and distributed out to seats which feasibly would be a net loss of one seat overall as there is no expected change to already Greens and teal seats. A smaller impact is WA gaining a seat in the hills which is notionally ALP - but that is due to the McGowan era effect and you'd expect a reversion to the mean in 2025. For context, it overlaps heavily with Hasluck which was a safe seat for Ken Wyatt for years.

tl;dr task becomes more difficult for Albo and his government due to AEC redistribution.

Poll bludger article about it basically says it comes out even in the wash for the coalition and Labor but could be beneficial to the teals and greens.

 

[Vindicater]

Not in all sectors.

Construction is one of the 4 largest employment sectors along with Retail, Health and Education and certainly hasn't lost pace with CPI.

The wages aren't sustainable and when coupled with government infrastructure spending, has absolutely supercharged inflation.

So why did inflation continue to go up even when wages were purposely kept low?

 

[Carn The Berries]

He's gutless in the sense he co-founded Parliamentary Friends of Palestine and makes a big deal of his activism in his youth, yet has turned into just another conservative. It's very similar to him crowing about growing up poor in public housing, yet doing very little on building more public housing or helping welfare recipients now.

Absolutely this. His activism was one of the things he trumpeted in the lead-up to the election. Then when he gets a chance to make a real difference... Crickets...

If he isn't careful, this could become political poison for the government. Heard Bill Shorten this morning berating the Greens... What he thinks he's achieving by doing so, I'm not entirely sure.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So why did inflation continue to go up even when wages were purposely kept low?

Plenty of things affect it.
Overseas inflation, - affecting all the imports we rely on.
Currency exchange rate - affecting all the imports we rely on.

We really don't have a lot of control over it.

 

[Vindicater]

Plenty of things affect it.
Overseas inflation, - affecting all the imports we rely on.
Currency exchange rate - affecting all the imports we rely on.

We really don't have a lot of control over it.

That's the point I was making.

People attempting to pin high inflation on pay rises.

 

[Forward Press]

That's the point I was making.

People attempting to pin high inflation on pay rises.

It's reverse class warfare.

In the olden days the well off suggesting that the poor should eat cake resulted in their heads being lopped off.

That's why terms like 'politics of envy', 'socialism' and 'trickle down economics' exist to convince us greed is good. You should support tax cuts for the rich because that could be you one day - if you worked harder. A nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. If you're poor, that's your fault.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Forward Press]

The ALP position on Israel/Palestine is not ideal - let's be realistic, though, would an LNP government be more likely to call out Israel's acts? Those criticising the ALP position have an unrealistic view on geopolitics imo. From a western country, even acknowledging the IDF has done wrong is a radical step.

This is similar to those who criticise the Biden administration for not being unequivocal against Netanyahu in their condemnation and American Muslims and Arabs saying they may not vote for the Democrats - and miss the fact that a Trump administration would back Israel 100% of the way.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The ALP position on Israel/Palestine is not ideal - let's be realistic, though, would an LNP government be more likely to call out Israel's acts?

No, but that shouldn't be the benchmark by which Labor should be compared to. They should always be more progressive than the LNP.

Those criticising the ALP position have an unrealistic view on geopolitics imo. From a western country, even acknowledging the IDF has done wrong is a radical step.

Why must all Western countries follow with tradition? After all, geopolitics can change, as it did in how countries dealt with apartheid-era South Africa. I vote with objective good in mind, not relative good, so I'm not happy with Labor's choice.

This is similar to those who criticise the Biden administration for not being unequivocal against Netanyahu in their condemnation and American Muslims and Arabs saying they may not vote for the Democrats - and miss the fact that a Trump administration would back Israel 100% of the way.

Good thing we have preferential voting here then. I can vote for anyone else, preference Labor over the LNP and know I didn't contribute to an LNP victory.

 

[Upstart Swan]

That's the point I was making.

People attempting to pin high inflation on pay rises.

Or more accurately: People attempting to pin high inflation on pay rises for low income earners.

 

[Gralin]

An ALP Turnbull

They're all more interested in being in power than anything else really, but yeah

It's reverse class warfare.

In the olden days the well off suggesting that the poor should eat cake resulted in their heads being lopped off.

That's why terms like 'politics of envy', 'socialism' and 'trickle down economics' exist to convince us greed is good. You should support tax cuts for the rich because that could be you one day - if you worked harder. A nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires. If you're poor, that's your fault.

I'm shocked that the bold drew this reaction

The ALP position on Israel/Palestine is not ideal - let's be realistic, though, would an LNP government be more likely to call out Israel's acts? Those criticising the ALP position have an unrealistic view on geopolitics imo. From a western country, even acknowledging the IDF has done wrong is a radical step.

This is similar to those who criticise the Biden administration for not being unequivocal against Netanyahu in their condemnation and American Muslims and Arabs saying they may not vote for the Democrats - and miss the fact that a Trump administration would back Israel 100% of the way.

This is just pointing out that we're ****ed either way so shouldn't criticise it

Better things aren't possible with this position

 

[Forward Press]

No, but that shouldn't be the benchmark by which Labor should be compared to. They should always be more progressive than the LNP.


Why must all Western countries follow with tradition? After all, geopolitics can change, as it did in how countries dealt with apartheid-era South Africa. I vote with objective good in mind, not relative good, so I'm not happy with Labor's choice.


Good thing we have preferential voting here then. I can vote for anyone else, preference Labor over the LNP and know I didn't contribute to an LNP victory.

This is just pointing out that we're ****ed either way so shouldn't criticise it

Better things aren't possible with this position

I appreciate the idealism - I sincerely do. In a better world Israel wouldn't exist there. Note to people - I don't mean saying Israel should be wiped out. I mean that the Jewish homeland wouldn't have been created in such a volatile place.

But - it does. And the geopolitical reality cannot be denied. It could change via apartheid South Africa style policies (boycotts, sanctions and the like) but the cynic in me says there's too much resources invested in that region - by western and Arab nations - for that to change within our lifetimes. A prime tenet of western liberal democracy is investing in a Jewish Israel as a bulwark against the rest of the Middle East. The first steps are already there with some places like Saudi Arabia taking steps towards normalising relations with Israel - but we won't have normality there before you and I die in my view.

 

[Gralin]

I appreciate the idealism - I sincerely do. In a better world Israel wouldn't exist there. Note to people - I don't mean saying Israel should be wiped out. I mean that the Jewish homeland wouldn't have been created in such a volatile place.

But - it does. And the geopolitical reality cannot be denied. It could change via apartheid South Africa style policies (boycotts, sanctions and the like) but the cynic in me says there's too much resources invested in that region - by western and Arab nations - for that to change within our lifetimes. A prime tenet of western liberal democracy is investing in a Jewish Israel as a bulwark against the rest of the Middle East. The first steps are already there with some places like Saudi Arabia taking steps towards normalising relations with Israel - but we won't have normality there before you and I die in my view.

Western imperialism in reality

But none of what you have written is a reason to give Labor a pass for doing the same thing the coalition is doing

 

[JackFlash]

If you think they're sinister, clearly they're doing something right.

Have you ever noticed the similarity Albo has to Bugs Bunny when he speaks? The difference is Bugs is generally funny. He's not sinister by any means, in fact i think he's not a bad bloke, but his ideology is all over the place surrounded by Bowen, Giles, Marles and that super wordsmith Chalmers. The Greens on the other hand have been on the sinister sauce for years.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The Greens on the other hand have been on the sinister sauce for years.

Being anti-war and against genocide is very sinister sauce.

You been watching SKY news again?

 

[Millky95]

People tend to forget we are a glorified USA vassel state. What the US tells us to do, we do. So until the USA changes their stance on Israel, we never will.

And the USA will never change because Isreal is their nuclear partner in the Middle East

 

[Johnny Bananas]

People tend to forget we are a glorified USA vassel state. What the US tells us to do, we do. So until the USA changes their stance on Israel, we never will.

And the USA will never change because Isreal is their nuclear partner in the Middle East

Nobody has forgotten this. We just don't want it to be the case and are frustrated when it prevents Australia doing the right thing. But it wasn't a commandment from the heavens that Australia must follow the US on absolutely everything, so there is still the hope that someone who isn't a US lapdog might become PM one day (and then probably get removed by the CIA like Whitlam was).

 

[JackFlash]

Being anti-war and against genocide is very sinister sauce.

You been watching SKY news again?

Supporting terrorist oraginsations is very sinister, i watch very little news and when i do it's mostly 7 or 9 for sport and weather. It's too depressing watching the news anyway and i certainly don't support terror groups who approve of genocide in the first place. The Hamas heyday might've been the 2000s, and a lot of people forgot about it, but as October7th proved it's still out there in the background up to no good. Even Albo and Dutton are in agreement on this one, joining together in Parliament condemning the Greens involvement in pro Palestine protests. Whenever there's a big, heavy controversial world situation like the Israel/Palestine conflict, you will see two opposing sides go at it like crazy on social media, one with respectful, informed opinions and the other crazed, inflammatory, 90-percent-made-up crap posted by teenagers and/or idiots who don't know one thing about what they are fighting about. The Greens certainly have no idea.