Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[HairyO]

So you'd pay someone 4/7ths of what they're being paid now, for a role that makes up about 0.1% of the duties they currently perform (this particular part of the role hasn't been executed since the 70s)?

We'd still need a HoS as well....

Do you do your own tax? Your maths seems very iffy...

These days all the duties are ceremonial. As such, a ceremonial salary would be reasonable. Say, $250 per event attended ?

Not only do they get a massive salary and pension, they get a massive staff - any of whom could perform the ceremonial duties. And after they leave office they continue to get paid for staff - which is even worse.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

But land the British stole = country

They didn't but using that logic. If the ...North Koreans stole Tasmania, Tasmania would become a country?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

OK , when do you suggest that Palestine was a country?

 

[Gralin]

Lol?
They were voted in by the public on back of their party
Incredibly selfish
.if they feel so strongly, resign from the parliament

Gravy train swill

Yes how dare they have principles hey

 

[Gralin]

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Wait until he finds out it goes a lot further back than that

 

[Gavin Excell]

Yes how dare they have principles hey

Then quit then
It's a massive self indulgent fck you to the electorate

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They didn't but using that logic. If the ...North Koreans stole Tasmania, Tasmania would become a country?

North Koreans aren't British.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Wait until he finds out it goes a lot further back than that

It will blow his mind when he discovers that many Palestinian Arabs volunteered to serve in WW2 and helped defeat the Nazis.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Yes and they could have served in Tasmania too.
It was a region.
It was part of the Ottoman Empire.
Palestine was the part of the Ottoman Empire they served in.

 

[Gralin]

Then quit then
It's a massive self indulgent fck you to the electorate

You're not alone in seeing it that way

I think it's a massive **** you that the greens treated Thorpe the way they did over the voice and that Labor are treating Payman the way they are over her position on Palestine (which is also meant to be theirs)

 

[Gralin]

It will blow his mind when he discovers that many Palestinian Arabs volunteered to serve in WW2 and helped defeat the Nazis.

Or that it's possible to not be a racist douche online about the non western version of history

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Yes how dare they have principles hey

Still pushing that line?

"Lol."

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yes and they could have served in Tasmania too.
It was a region.
It was part of the Ottoman Empire.
Palestine was the part of the Ottoman Empire they served in.

146 countries recognise Palestine.

It seems you support a loud minority.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Wait until he finds out it goes a lot further back than that

Yet it was never a country.
Palestine was a region in Syria if you go back far enough.

I'm not being Pro Zionist here, and i really hate what is happening in Palestine.
But as of right now , there is no Palestinian State to recognize.

You can't form a state by the act of recognizing it in Australia.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

146 countries recognise Palestine.

It seems you support a loud minority.

Palestine as governed by Hamas?

 

[It Just Is]

Have zero respect for Senators who only got the gig on back of party alignment, then pulling pin to go independent

Thorpe
Paymen

Disgraceful

Should have their term shortened to the next election.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Yeah yeah.

If Palestine was a legitimate country, who would you be dealing with if you needed to deal with this country?

Maybe it should be a country. But there is stuff they need to sort out first.

Irrelevant

 

[Gralin]

Palestine as governed by Hamas?

But khamas!
I'm not a Zionist though

 

[Gralin]

Still pushing that line?

"Lol."

Yeah because nothing has changed

 

[Saint]

Of course. And everyone in the Labor Party can vote however they like in caucus. But once a position has been agreed then that is it - it is time for solidarity.

This applies equally to a football team, to a corporate board, to a public institution, to the staff on a ship, to the armed forces, to everything.

Fatima Layman is 100% free to hold whatever view she wants to push that view as hard as she wants within and outside the Labor Party.

But at some point the Party has to form a position and move forward and in a party of collectivism that means moving forward with collective solidarity.

Also, Labor's position might be wrong - I would agree that they should be supporting a Palestinian State. But the problem is not party solidarity.

That was the party position at the election, though

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Irrelevant

Ok so anyone who declares themselves a country is one in your lala land.
I'm out.
I'll sit back here in the country of blahblah, and wait for international recognition.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Palestine as governed by Hamas?

The position you hold is the one that allows the terrorists in the West Bank to continue their illegal settlements on Palestinian land. Recognising Palestine as an independent nation is the first step, sorting out the government comes next. Or do you think they should sort out their government before gaining recognition? Perhaps they could hold elections in between being evacuated from one bombed out mass grave to the next?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Ok so anyone who declares themselves a country is one in your lala land.
I'm out.
I'll sit back here in the country of blahblah, and wait for international recognition.

You have no idea.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You have no idea.

Sure

 

[schneebly111]

Perusing Payman’s social media she’s got a lot of support from local ALP branch leaders and unionists, and she’s said she’s gotten “hundreds” of calls and messages of support from local members.

This probably stems from the big difference between rank and file ALP vs the current Parliamentary leadership. Labor members on the ground were the backbone of the anti Vietnam war movement and anti Iraq war movement. It was leaders like Gough Whitlam and Simon Crean who fostered this grassroots sentiment when in leadership, and I’ve no doubt most ALP members are anti war, anti U.S. imperialism and by extension Israeli policy towards Palestine.

However since the progression of Gillard, then Shorten and now Albanese the pro US alliance lobby dominates the cabinet leadership. AUKUS was enthusiastically supported whereas ALP members at the national conference voted against it. A lot of union and member support for pro Palestine rallies is not supported by party power brokers. Local ALP members will probably say their biggest disappointment with the current party leadership is the absolute no difference in foreign policy and attitude to the US alliance with the LNP.

This could be a headache for Albanese both with local branch volunteers and those who split away, especially in multicultural western Sydney.