Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

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a) Do you believe that (based on the definition given in the fact checker article) inflation adjusted average household energy prices will be $275 cheaper in December 2025 than they were in 2021?

b) If not, would you consider (at that time) to be a broken election promise?

Granted, the federal government can't control all the components that go into the cost of providing energy. But, based on the article that you cited, it is highly likely that by the end of this term of parliament, the commitment made by the now Prime Minister will be un-fulfilled. The reasons why don't really matter.

a) Yes, I believe it is possible that they could still become $275 cheaper than 2021.


b) Yes. If by the end of their first term household power prices aren't at least $275 less than they were in 2021, that's a broken election commitment.



The reasons why don't really matter.
That's interesting.
What reasons do you know about?
And why don't they really matter?
 
a) Yes, I believe it is possible that they could still become $275 cheaper than 2021.


b) Yes. If by the end of their first term household power prices aren't at least $275 less than they were in 2021, that's a broken election commitment.




That's interesting.
What reasons do you know about?
And why don't they really matter?
I'm glad you're that optimisitic about power prices. I don't share the same view, but only time will tell. Given the sharp increases that we have seen over the last 18 months, that's a big price drop in the next 2 years!

What I meant by my last statement is that there are forces external to anything that the government does that impact on power prices (e.g. ongoing global conflicts). What they are, and whether the government can control them doesn't matter, the ALP will only be measured by whether they were able to deliver on what they said they would do.
 

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I'm glad you're that optimisitic about power prices. I don't share the same view, but only time will tell. Given the sharp increases that we have seen over the last 18 months, that's a big price drop in the next 2 years!

What I meant by my last statement is that there are forces external to anything that the government does that impact on power prices (e.g. ongoing global conflicts). What they are, and whether the government can control them doesn't matter, the ALP will only be measured by whether they were able to deliver on what they said they would do.
1. Do you believe it's currently a broken promise?
2. If prices do not drop to $275 below 2021 levels, would you include that in your decision on who to vote for at the next election?
3. What's your position on the previous Government deliberately delaying the report that showed that prices were expected to rise by 11.3% to 12.6%, until after the election?

4. Is not reaching the $275 commitment by 2025 worse or not as bad as deliberately hiding a report from the Australian public until after an election, in terms of honesty/word?
 
As Jonathan Swift put it simply...

You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.

Sums up the lefties on BF.

122,000 homeless in Australia and counting according to the Census of Population and Housing. Might get to 200k by the end of his term (if he is not back stabbed before).
 
No...

Wait, do you still not actually understand?

Ok I'll quote it and link it to you.

Releasing the plan and the modelling at a December 3, 2021 press conference, Labor leader Anthony Albanese said it would see "electricity prices fall from the current level by $275 for household by 2025, at the end of our first term, if we are successful".​

Cut power bills for households by $275

As I said.. its not going to happen .



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As Jonathan Swift put it simply...

You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.

Sums up the lefties on BF.

122,000 homeless in Australia and counting according to the Census of Population and Housing. Might get to 200k by the end of his term (if he is not back stabbed before).
Bold statements given that figure is from 2021.

But let's say it's currently 122k (it wouldn't be). It's a lower rate per capita than 20 years before under Howard.

The total is likely higher, because our population has grown too.

Of course, you'll ignore decades of conservative government policy and arrive at the conclusion that any growth in trying times is all a 1.5 year old Labor government's fault.
 
As Jonathan Swift put it simply...

You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.

Sums up the lefties on BF.

122,000 homeless in Australia and counting according to the Census of Population and Housing. Might get to 200k by the end of his term (if he is not back stabbed before).
How many of these weird bot accounts are there on BF?
 
As I said.. its not going to happen .



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No.

You said it was a broken promise.
This was when you had no idea about it, outside of the talking point you've been hammered with.

Now that you've been made aware that you were tricked. Why don't you feel betrayed by the people who tricked you... in the same way you felt betrayed incorrectly by the 'broken promise'?


Why has the fact it isn't actually a broken promise not changed how you think about it, at all?
In fact... if anything... You're probably even more opposed to Albo now.
Why do you think that is?
 
I'm not sure you've read much of this board if you think there's many people saying this. What is happening, is that there are legitimate criticisms, and then nonsense copied from Coalition playbooks going back decades or the latest meaningless talking points from partisan media outlets.
Bold statements given that figure is from 2021.

But let's say it's currently 122k (it wouldn't be). It's a lower rate per capita than 20 years before under Howard.

The total is likely higher, because our population has grown too.

Of course, you'll ignore decades of conservative government policy and arrive at the conclusion that any growth in trying times is all a 1.5 year old Labor government's fault.
They won't reply to your posts, because you've actually explained how their post is incorrect.
 

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Pardon my lack of knowledge in this area but can the labor federal government actually do something about reducing the fuel costs?
Is it possible? If so, why aren’t they?
They could reduce the fuel excise but that revenue is intended to go straight into fixing our roads which are already in bad enough condition.
 
No.

You said it was a broken promise.
This was when you had no idea about it, outside of the talking point you've been hammered with.

Now that you've been made aware that you were tricked. Why don't you feel betrayed by the people who tricked you... in the same way you felt betrayed incorrectly by the 'broken promise'?


Why has the fact it isn't actually a broken promise not changed how you think about it, at all?
In fact... if anything... You're probably even more opposed to Albo now.
Why do you think that is?

He has already abandoned his promise … therefore it is a broken promise… it’s just the first of many that can be dragged out but I’m pretty sure your heart won’t take being pointed in the direction of those.


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Pardon my lack of knowledge in this area but can the labor federal government actually do something about reducing the fuel costs?
Is it possible? If so, why aren’t they?
They absolutely could.
It's been done recently by the previous Government.

But do you think there are any reasons why they can't or haven't?
 
They absolutely could.
It's been done recently by the previous Government.

But do you think there are any reasons why they can't or haven't?

Looks like someone has answered that above - money needed for road repairs? I honestly have no idea how it works.
 
He has already abandoned his promise … therefore it is a broken promise… it’s just the first of many that can be dragged out but I’m pretty sure your heart won’t take being pointed in the direction of those.

No...
It hasn't been abandoned...
It was an election commitment based on on the modelling of the policy plan.
The policy plan that they are still implementing.
Which is having an impact.

https://www.aer.gov.au/industry/reg...ume-weighted-average-30-minute-prices-regions

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As Jonathan Swift put it simply...

You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.

Sums up the lefties on BF.

122,000 homeless in Australia and counting according to the Census of Population and Housing. Might get to 200k by the end of his term (if he is not back stabbed before).
What do you think should be done about the issue of homelessness in this country CTB?

I have thoughts on the matter that I know neither major party will do.

It's a massive problem that should be dealt with, its been ignored with bipartisan support for decades but it shouldn't be, it will be unless we as voters pressure every politician on this issue though
 
It's interesting, because earlier today (I get Mondays off) I was actually watching some content on how those at the apex of capitalism throw sops to the working classes - education, the prospect of promotion to middle management, etc - to avert having to lose everything should the many decide the few have too much power. Specifically, the role management within businesses played in averting workers revolts worldwide post WW2.
Interested in watching this, any links?
 
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