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Albo continues shooting himself in the foot
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And then everyone clapped
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If thir religion comes before decency and human rights….then they should get a position in that religion.
A bit hard for some as these religions are patriatcal
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I'm sure Labor would just change the rules if that happened.
And then write a new charter.
And then write a new charter.
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Nope.
Just their kind of politics, or at least the Senate ticket that got her there.
A reminder, yet again, that Senators are there to represent their state not a party. And their term is two electoral cycles for just that reason.
It's the Constitution stupid!
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1. Long standing Labor doctrine states that members present a united front with any debate and disagreement hashed out at caucus.
2. Everyone votes with the party in parliament.
3. She agreed to this when she agreed to be a Labor party candidate.
4. She is an upper house senator who received over 99% of her votes above the line - aka votes for party, not individual preference.
5. Her election to the senate was based on her use of Labor resources and funding, along with party backing.
6. If she did not want to follow established policy then she should have run as an independent, using her own resources.
7. The motion itself was introduced by the Greens, knowing full well that it would not be successfully voted on without Labor submitting amendments that aligned with their policy of a two state solution with a peace deal.
8. The Greens and the Liberal party denied the amendments (as is their right) and the senator decided to cross the floor anyway.
Conclusion.
The entire motion was a stunt. It was never meant to pass.
If Payman felt so strongly about this issue she should have joined the greens senate ticket or ran as an independent.
Payman knew exactly what she was getting into when she joined the Labor party. This is not some kind of rug pull the party has done to her.
2. Everyone votes with the party in parliament.
3. She agreed to this when she agreed to be a Labor party candidate.
4. She is an upper house senator who received over 99% of her votes above the line - aka votes for party, not individual preference.
5. Her election to the senate was based on her use of Labor resources and funding, along with party backing.
6. If she did not want to follow established policy then she should have run as an independent, using her own resources.
7. The motion itself was introduced by the Greens, knowing full well that it would not be successfully voted on without Labor submitting amendments that aligned with their policy of a two state solution with a peace deal.
8. The Greens and the Liberal party denied the amendments (as is their right) and the senator decided to cross the floor anyway.
Conclusion.
The entire motion was a stunt. It was never meant to pass.
If Payman felt so strongly about this issue she should have joined the greens senate ticket or ran as an independent.
Payman knew exactly what she was getting into when she joined the Labor party. This is not some kind of rug pull the party has done to her.
The caucus solidarity comes from a time when Labor, at least notionally, believed in solidarity as a defining principle as a democratic socialist party. It no longer defines itself as such, and obviously isn't that ideologically in how it governs. Given cabinet solidarity also exists within the caucus, it's today an issue of control rather than any deep-rooted belief in party process.
As has been said, she's crossed the floor in adhering to the party's policy. In NSW in 2008, power privatisation saw multiple backbenchers cross the floor to uphold the party's policy against privatisation and killed it (and the dispute basically killed that government). Nobody was expelled.
It's also worth noting that Labor does allow for people to cross the floor - when the SDA and religious right wing of the party want to, they're granted conscience votes. Since 1996, Labor has allowed 13 free votes - RU486, euthanasia, marriage equality (but only after party policy was in favour, when opposed it was binding), embryonic research etc. That these are deemed "matters of conscience" but not the mass murder of 40,000+ people is ethically arbitrary, at best, and a capitulation to right wing forces.
In the US, yes. In the UK, yes. Here? Not necessarily.
Labor should always be much better than Dutton. If Dutton is the standard by which we judge politicians, then politics is f***ed because even being a massive a**ehole is a pass mark as long as you're slightly less of an a**hole than Dutton.
But Labor does nothing about it. They had the political capital in 2022 to take an axe to corporate media and make it so fragmented that the level of market control that Murdoch et al have currently wouldn't happen again for a long time. But Albo didn't lift a finger to change things, probably because he still thinks that if he's persuasive enough, he can get the media barons on his side. So now Labor will forever use media bias as an excuse for why they don't do more.
This is about doing the right thing. The world does not revolve around the Australian Labor Party. The Greens would have put this bill forward regardless of whether Labor were stoic and unified or busy punching themselves in the face like they are right now.
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"...within secure and recognised borders"
Appeal to emotion.
No, her job is to act as a Labor senator - a senator who was elected to the senate by the people of WA based on above the line preferences for the Labor party. This is not the house of reps and people did not vote her in based on the personal beliefs she has on this particular issue.
More people who voted for the ALP ticket care about this particular issue than they do the internal functions of the parliamentary Labor Party.
Labor aren't going to change their rules on caucus solidarity any more than they are going to change the representation unions get at state conferences. This isn't getting resolved to everyone's satisfaction any time soon.
Oh yeah... Less diversity of opinion is exactly what we need in politics....
So she should have had a crystal ball to know that the party that ratified at their national conference that they support a two state solution, would do absolutely nothing to support it when in government?
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Cool so as long as Israel doesn't Labor won't?
yeah call me weird but tens of thousands of people being killed and millions displaced is something that I feel some emotions about
Labor's coward position on this is going to cost them
Yeah I don't buy this argument, if it was true she wouldn't be able to sit on the cross bench
its the same argument used to attack the greens for running in a labor seat, like the party has ownership
again not very democratic
Had to chuckle at the Coalition criticising Albo for not going to a NATO summit in Washington. Like the moronic "Airbus Albo" era of pearl-clutching never happened.
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And yet crossing the floor is allowed in the Coalition...
Couldn't tell you what rules are in the Nats. In the Libs it is, although frowned upon more in government than in opposition historically.
According to this, there is no fixed punishment for crossing the floor in ALP.
Its more tradition i guess.
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While the penalty for breaking this rule is not proscribed or fixed, MPs who have crossed the floor historically have usually been expelled or suspended from the caucus, as is now the case with Payman after she told the ABC’s Insiders, she will cross the floor again on votes relating to Palestine.
www.australianjewishnews.com
Its more tradition i guess.
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While the penalty for breaking this rule is not proscribed or fixed, MPs who have crossed the floor historically have usually been expelled or suspended from the caucus, as is now the case with Payman after she told the ABC’s Insiders, she will cross the floor again on votes relating to Palestine.
Why Fatima Payman crossing the floor was wrong
'While we may argue vigorously within the caucus and even express contrary views to the party leadership in public, we are bound to support the decision of caucus in parliament'
www.australianjewishnews.com
Sttew
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Between 1950 and 2020 the Coalition participated in 96.8% of floor crossing divisions compared to Labor's 3.1%According to this, there is no fixed punishment for crossing the floor in ALP.
Its more tradition i guess.
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While the penalty for breaking this rule is not proscribed or fixed, MPs who have crossed the floor historically have usually been expelled or suspended from the caucus, as is now the case with Payman after she told the ABC’s Insiders, she will cross the floor again on votes relating to Palestine.
Why Fatima Payman crossing the floor was wrong
'While we may argue vigorously within the caucus and even express contrary views to the party leadership in public, we are bound to support the decision of caucus in parliament'
Crossing the floor in the federal parliament 1950–April 2019
12 March 2020 PDF version [827KB] <a name=HeaderDefinition>Deirdre McKeown and Rob Lundie Politics and Public Administration Section <a name="_Toc13656078">Executive summary This Research Paper analyses the results of a study of floor crossing in the federal parliament fro
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Stating the bleeding obvious to say it but the Labor Party is likely to face severe electoral consequences for events of the past week, especially in western Sydney.
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The LNP are extremely pro Israel. Not sure a protest vote is going to solve their resentment. It's different if the LNP had a somewhat similar position on this as Labor and had a more assertive policy around a Two state solution. Than it would actually mean something switching to the other side.
They're going to switch to the Greens Party
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