Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Gough]

Low information voters sustain right wing parties these days.

 

[Saint]

Makes no sense at all

People who vote for the LNP think people who vote for the Greens are stupid because they think that Greens policies would make everyone economically worse off. This is universal in Queensland and regional Australia.

Well-educated people who vote for the Greens/LNP/ALP in metro areas think that low-income people who vote for the LNP are stupid because they're voting for policies which make them economically worse-off. This is universal in central Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

Inner-city voters don't get upset that poorly educated regional Queenslanders think they're stupid. The Greens (being the extreme) don't get upset that Queensland LNP people call their policies stupid.

Poorly educated regional Queenslanders get very upset if you call their support of the LNP stupid.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

People who vote for the LNP think people who vote for the Greens are stupid because they think that Greens policies would make everyone economically worse off. This is universal in Queensland and regional Australia.

Well-educated people who vote for the Greens/LNP/ALP in metro areas think that low-income people who vote for the LNP are stupid because they're voting for policies which make them economically worse-off. This is universal in central Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

Inner-city voters don't get upset that poorly educated regional Queenslanders think they're stupid. The Greens (being the extreme) don't get upset that Queensland LNP people call their policies stupid.

Poorly educated regional Queenslanders get very upset if you call their support of the LNP stupid.

Well put.

 

[Vindicater]

Albo thinking that lurching to the right is going to save him is pretty on brand for modern day Labor.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

People who vote for the LNP think people who vote for the Greens are stupid because they think that Greens policies would make everyone economically worse off. This is universal in Queensland and regional Australia.

Well-educated people who vote for the Greens/LNP/ALP in metro areas think that low-income people who vote for the LNP are stupid because they're voting for policies which make them economically worse-off. This is universal in central Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

Inner-city voters don't get upset that poorly educated regional Queenslanders think they're stupid. The Greens (being the extreme) don't get upset that Queensland LNP people call their policies stupid.

Poorly educated regional Queenslanders get very upset if you call their support of the LNP stupid.

Calling people stupid isn't a way to change people's minds though.

 

[Saint]

Calling people stupid isn't a way to change people's minds though.

No, I agree, it isn't. The US is a prime example. It's Australia's divide on steroids.

You have to take the time and be patient at explaining it.

It's ok to say it here, because anyone who bothers coming onto a forum like this is either never going to change their mind, or very politically engaged.

I certainly wouldn't recommend any political party member saying anything like that. Peter Dutton's favourite ploy is:
Listen to those elitists, they think you're stupid.

Dutton also thinks they're stupid but pretends to be on their side better by blaming straw-people on their behalf with most of his time.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

No, I agree, it isn't. The US is a prime example. It's Australia's divide on steroids.

You have to take the time and be patient at explaining it.

You don't even have to look at the US. Only look at the voice referendum. People voting no was dismissed as "They're just ignorant racists" There was no deep dive into why people voted no. Sure racism was a factor but it's went more than that.


For some reason that side of the political spectrum never learns. They always take the easy way out and just throw out names.

 

[tandino]

All anyone can do is cast their own vote correctly

This isn't an argument against being able to vote the majors out either

More people are waking up, their primary votes are going backwards fast

The only thing that will get them to change course at all is the threat of losing the duopoly

Maybe we'd be better off allowing votes to exhaust in the lower house through optional preferential voting.

 

[Gralin]

Maybe we'd be better off allowing votes to exhaust in the lower house through optional preferential voting.

I think we'd be better with proportional representation

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I think we'd be better with proportional representation

I'd like to see that change in the HoR. Along with an increase in the amount of members in the lower house. We are long over due for an increase.

 

[tandino]

I'd like to see that change in the HoR. Along with an increase in the amount of members in the lower house. We are long over due for an increase.

If it were proportional to the population in UK constituencies it'd be up around 250 members.

 

[Saint]

If Albanese is promising free childcare for people who don't work, this spend is going to blow up in his face.

There's nothing working people hate more than paying for free childcare for lazy stay-at-home parents who cannot be bothered looking after their kids which is how the LNP will paint it.

 

[Gough]

If Albanese is promising free childcare for people who don't work, this spend is going to blow up in his face.

There's nothing working people hate more than paying for free childcare for lazy stay-at-home parents who cannot be bothered looking after their kids which is how the LNP will paint it.

Reinforce that kids shouldn’t start school two years behind their peers because their parents don't work, and stop referring to it as childcare, always call it Early Childhood Education. They have to change the way people perceive this.

 

[peetoo]

If Albanese is promising free childcare for people who don't work, this spend is going to blow up in his face.

There's nothing working people hate more than paying for free childcare for lazy stay-at-home parents who cannot be bothered looking after their kids which is how the LNP will paint it.

Stay at home mothers is the liberals wet dream

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You don't even have to look at the US. Only look at the voice referendum. People voting no was dismissed as "They're just ignorant racists" There was no deep dive into why people voted no. Sure racism was a factor but it's went more than that.


For some reason that side of the political spectrum never learns. They always take the easy way out and just throw out names.

Actually there’s been a shitload of nuanced analysis from the left about the referendum. You just have to look.

 

[Balls In]

while I'd like to see a cratering housing price, I can't see it happening as there would be a lot who own houses with no mortgage and have no reason to sell, and have funds to buy more property and rent at high rates.

Albo doesn't give two shits about the housing crisis. Keeps pumping in astronomical numbers of migrants knowing it can only worsen the housing shortfall. Turbo charging inflation, rents, house prices, congestion, hospital wait times, you name it.

 

[Gough]

Albo doesn't give two shits about the housing crisis. Keeps pumping in astronomical numbers of migrants knowing is can only worsen the housing shortfall. Turbo charging inflation, rents, house prices, congestion, hospital wait times, you name it.

Project 2025 Oz style. There are so many more factors in the housing crisis than just migration.

 

[Balls In]

Project 2025 Oz style. There are so many more factors in the housing crisis than just migration.

And mass migration exacerbates all of them.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Albo doesn't give two shits about the housing crisis. Keeps pumping in astronomical numbers of migrants knowing is can only worsen the housing shortfall. Turbo charging inflation, rents, house prices, congestion, hospital wait times, you name it.

In fairness, the ALP are at least trying to do something (albeit a drop in the ocean of what is required) to address the under-supply of property. While I don't think the government owning part of people's homes is a particularly clever idea, they're having a go.

The Greens, who have stated many times that there is a need for more homes, are blocking this bill because they want action on rent caps... Which will do exactly zero to address the issues with housing supply. The Libs are blocking it because they are in opposition (they don't seem to actually be able to articulate a coherent reason for being against it).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Stay at home mothers is the liberals wet dream

That as much as anything was responsible for the boomer lifestyle.

Dad went to work, if he got laid off, or was injured and couldn't work. Mum could pick up the slack.
If things got a bit tight, Mum got a part time job.

Now with 2 parents working and things tight as hell, there's no safety line.
If ANYTHING goes wrong , they can lose the house.

The shift from single income family's to dual income family's was probably also responsible for some of the early housing price rises in Australia.

 

[imtall]

‘Entire housing crisis is all labor’s doing’ is a liberal talking point

Anyone with half a brain knows that’s tosh

You don't reckon importing a million warm bodies in 2 years has anything to do with the housing crisis?

Yes or no?

 

[Gough]

You don't reckon importing a million warm bodies in 2 years has anything to do with the housing crisis?

Yes or no?

Creating the conditions where this is happening and an unwillingness to do anything about it has a lot more to do with the problem than migration.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/hoarders-new-data-reveals-investment-mortgages-growing-five-times-faster-than-owneroccupier-loans/news-story/d44fe41ccae21cf0dc39b8fd57ccf27f

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The Greens, who have stated many times that there is a need for more homes, are blocking this bill because they want action on rent caps... Which will do exactly zero to address the issues with housing supply.

They’re blocking it for many more reason than that.

Labor’s policy is mammaries-on-a-male-bovine levels of uselessness. Don’t give them a free pass for merely looking like they care.

 

[peetoo]

You don't reckon importing a million warm bodies in 2 years has anything to do with the housing crisis?

Yes or no?

Dya reckon that has anything to do with immigration policy settings left by the coalition, which had Duttons mark all over them?

It’s well publicised how labor has had to fix the rorts. When you are approved for entry, you probably get a year to arrive by.
The system has a year lag built in.

Are you suggesting the govt breaks it’s own laws by withdrawing those approvals!

 

[peetoo]

They’re blocking it for many more reason than that.

Labor’s policy is mammaries-on-a-male-bovine levels of uselessness. Don’t give them a free pass for merely looking like they care.

The scheme is proven to work at state level. It’s aimed at ownership which has little to do with renting or negative gearing, which their coalition buddies will not tolerate changes to