Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Chief]

Does any successful band or singer have a uni music degree?? I'd doubt it

Ummm ... yes.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[AvantGardener]

Ummm ... yes.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

Which of these current top 50 artists have degrees?

ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart

ARIA brings the latest and hottest news about the music industry in and out of Australia. Check out the ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart of the Week here.

www.aria.com.au

A whole lot less than than the top doctors and top lawyers in Australia I reckon.

 

[peetoo]

Which of these current top 50 artists have degrees?

ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart

ARIA brings the latest and hottest news about the music industry in and out of Australia. Check out the ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart of the Week here.

www.aria.com.au

A whole lot less than than the top doctors and top lawyers in Australia I reckon.

I’m guessing the music producing industry behind them, engineers, marketers etc have a much higher incidence of degrees than say the seventies?

 

[AvantGardener]

I’m guessing the music producing industry behind them, engineers, marketers etc have a much higher incidence of degrees than say the seventies?

Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[peetoo]

Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Checks discussion title

 

[burge13]

Ummm ... yes.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

You're just arguing for argument sake, you know you're wrong

Taylor Swift? Mick Jagger studied economics. Slash never even read music or studied guitar

Who has a music degree that is a successful musician, it isn't needed. Chalk another L up for Chief, all because he has to argue with people he doesn't like rather than actually think & take in information.

 

[Chief]

You're just arguing for argument sake, you know you're wrong

Taylor Swift? Mick Jagger studied economics. Slash never even read music or studied guitar

To be clear: You actually think that no successful musician or singer has ever had university level training?

 

[burge13]

To be clear: You actually think that no successful musician or singer has ever had university level training?

is that what i said? have another go

it isnt required, as evidenced by the vast majority of successful musicians not studying music at uni

 

[peetoo]

Doing nothing eh? Corporat tax take up. Money to consulting firms down. Good govt is actually boring which our media hates

Labor cuts spending on major consulting firms by $891m over two years

The value of Commonwealth work outsourced to Accenture, Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PWC is down to $1.5 billion since Labor took power in mid-2022.

www.afr.com

 

[peetoo]

is that what i said? have another go

it isnt required, as evidenced by the vast majority of successful musicians not studying music at uni

Session musicians? Lots of different instruments used in music including classical

And the dancers at gigs, they’d be self taught in the backyard?

 

[peetoo]

Which of these current top 50 artists have degrees?

ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart

ARIA brings the latest and hottest news about the music industry in and out of Australia. Check out the ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart of the Week here.

www.aria.com.au

A whole lot less than than the top doctors and top lawyers in Australia I reckon.

you go first.not actually researched

 

[burge13]

Session musicians? Lots of different instruments used in music including classical

And the dancers at gigs, they’d be self taught in the backyard?

Lots of dance classes which are not university. What are you people on?!

How is this even an argument ffs

 

[Chief]

Does any successful band or singer have a uni music degree?? I'd doubt it

Just so we are on the same page:

The above is what we're discussing.

My answer was "yes".

You are now arguing that I am wrong.

 

[burge13]

Just so we are on the same page - this is what we're discussing.

So you think if one happened to do music at uni it invalidates the point? For every 1 there are 50+ that haven't

It isn't needed as a university subject.

 

[AvantGardener]

I'd also argue good artists, musicians, philosophers, filmmakers wouldn't need uni to do it. Especially artists and musicians in this day and age

Amazing they are trying to dispute this!

Quoted this as its the original post in the chain.

 

[Chief]

So you think if one happened to do music at uni it invalidates the point? For every 1 there are 50+ that haven't

That was never the argument, but it seems it is now. Newly positioned goal posts acknowledged.

It isn't needed as a university subject.

Helps to take advanced studies in music if you want to make a living at it.

The discussion is around whether university level music, singing, dance, is valuable.

You have set that bar at the top 1% of 1% of people who make a living at it, and the general lack of advanced study in the top bands that we can all think of is your guide to the value of study of, say, music.

Is this correct?

 

[Chief]

Session musicians? Lots of different instruments used in music including classical

burge13 you also ignored this, and concentrated on dancers.

 

[Chief]

Which of these current top 50 artists have degrees?

ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart

ARIA brings the latest and hottest news about the music industry in and out of Australia. Check out the ARIA Top 50 Singles Chart of the Week here.

www.aria.com.au

A whole lot less than than the top doctors and top lawyers in Australia I reckon.

"Successful" was the scope.

The scope was not "charting".

Even so, MOST of the most popular music will have people involved with advanced study in things like sound engineering, session musicians, and so on.

This makes advanced study in music and related skills valuable in many cases.

Just as law is valuable, even though most law students do not go into law. There are more law students right now than currently practicing solicitors, barristers, KCs, judges and all that.

 

[AvantGardener]

Would you listen to a musician or watch a dancer who is not uni qualified?

Would you get a lawyer or doctor who is not uni qualified?

 

[burge13]

That was never the argument, but it seems it is now. Newly positioned goal posts acknowledged.

No goal posts moved, read the thread. Your lust for semantics didn't help, as always

Take the L and move on. You've had a shocker and as I said initially arguing for arguments sake just because you don't like the messenger.

Won't be responding further on this ridiculous topic

 

[Chief]

Would you listen to a musician or watch a dancer who is not uni qualified?

Is that the yardstick for the value of uni study of music and related subjects?

Would you get a lawyer or doctor who is not uni qualified?

It's not what we're talking about. It's not the argument.

 

[Chief]

No goal posts moved, read the thread. Your lust for semantics didn't help, as always

Take the L and move on. You've had a shocker and as I said initially arguing for arguments sake just because you don't like the messenger.

Won't be responding further on this ridiculous topic

Just tramping around claiming victory doesn't make any of your opinions correct.

You're now packing up shop because you can't answer any of the clarifying questions without proving yourself wrong.

Cup and ball game con men should study your moves.

In the debate "university degrees in music and performing arts have value and the courses are worth providing", I find in favour of the affirmative.

In the debate "lots of top musicians and bands don't have advanced degrees in music" I find that this was never the actual topic of discussion.

 

[AvantGardener]

Is that the yardstick for the value of uni study of music and related subjects?



It's not what we're talking about. It's not the argument.

Burge initially said "I'd also argue good artists & musicians wouldnt need uni to do it. Especially in this day and age"

If some sound engineers, some lesser musicians and even a couple top musicians have a uni degree there is still clear evidence from this top 50 that musicians wouldnt need uni. Theyve done what they have without uni ergo they didnt need uni.

 

[peetoo]

"Successful" was the scope.

The scope was not "charting".

Even so, MOST of the most popular music will have people involved with advanced study in things like sound engineering, session musicians, and so on.

This makes advanced study in music and related skills valuable in many cases.

Just as law is valuable, even though most law students do not go into law. There are more law students right now than currently practicing solicitors, barristers, KCs, judges and all that.

Weren’t the queen band members doing dentistry? The number of bands formed while at uni is significant

I’m no authorit on current music though, but it’s highly corporatised

 

[Chief]

Burge initially said "I'd also argue good artists & musicians wouldnt need uni to do it. Especially in this day and age"

If some sound engineers, some lesser musicians and even a couple top musicians have a uni degree there is still clear evidence from this top 50 that musicians wouldnt need uni. Theyve done what they have without uni ergo they didnt need uni.

Yeah sure some don't need it to be successful.

The more B-man talked about it, the more he focussed on popular performers without degrees.

Doesn't refute to the central point of discussion, though, which is value of these degrees measured by contribution to employment prospects.

Is that your main yardstick when you think about the value of a university degree?

EDIT:



And he was. If my response didn't indicate which tree I was talking about, my apologies.