Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Cold Sober]

Albo is just another rich bitch who has no idea or care for the battler.
He doesn't care whether he's re-elected or not, sound familiar. Australian politics, don't you luv it.
Pauline had the answer years ago and look what happened to her.

 

[Gralin]

What was Pauline's answer again?

 

[Cmarsh]

Now he's wasting time on a meaningless, easily avoidable age restriction on social media use which will annoy far more people than it will please.

Why do they insist on spending time doing this meaningless stuff?

They should be spending every week talking about Cost of Living.

It just looks like they're ignoring CoL and focusing on stupid stuff.

Albanese shouldn't host a press conference on anything other than CoL. If they want to announce a social media ban, send out the Communications Minister.

Who is advising these people??

Is one voter going to change their mind at all based on a social media ban? No, only in the broader impression of what priorities are.

How do they define social media anyway?

My son does gaming through a device that he can communicate live to his friends whilst they play. Does that count as social media?

 

[Chief]

Now he's wasting time on a meaningless, easily avoidable age restriction on social media use which will annoy far more people than it will please.

Why do they insist on spending time doing this meaningless stuff?

It's not meaningless, but it is a waste of time and resources.

 

[Gough]

It's not meaningless, but it is a waste of time and resources.

Coalition has been clever here. They've support this but they'll be quite happy to let the meaningless tinkering story take hold.

 

[Rotayjay]

I think the lesson from Trump's victory is that negative politics and blaming immigrants ****ing works like a charm

 

[peetoo]

Would you listen to a musician or watch a dancer who is not uni qualified?

Would you get a lawyer or doctor who is not uni qualified?

Many seek out alternate therapies. Not me

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's not meaningless, but it is a waste of time and resources.

It’s half way between Harold Bishop and Footloose.

 

[The Punter]

It's very very hard to follow politics and try to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who doesn't follow it.

I don't think it is. It's hard when you are busy and you work in politics, because the only people you will see are in the bubble and because of common interests it will be all you will talk about. This is a particular problem with those who work in Canberra.

But people who don't follow politics (which is most people) will engage with it in certain ways. Listen and provide perspective when appropriate. Try to avoid blatant partisanship if you are merely seeking to understand someone who doesn't follow politics (funnily enough I'm not always trying to win people over, because first one should try to understand them).

People have different interests, and if you don't share those interests, it can be challenging to understand, and in that respect, politics is no different.

 

[Saint]

Huge portion?
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Without preferential voting and a first past the post system, this means that 2 million people turned up to vote (they might have wanted to vote for a Governor, Senator or House member) and tossed their vote away.

The larger story is how many didn't bother to turn up (15million).

When people say Trump won a larger chunk of a certain demographic. He probably won the same people, but the Dems lost a lot of theirs.

It's clear why minorities would be leaving the Democratic party who now seem to not care about the middle and lower classes, or immigrants or foreigners (Ukrainians, Palestinians ).

 

[Saint]

I don't think it is. It's hard when you are busy and you work in politics, because the only people you will see are in the bubble and because of common interests it will be all you will talk about. This is a particular problem with those who work in Canberra.

But people who don't follow politics (which is most people) will engage with it in certain ways. Listen and provide perspective when appropriate. Try to avoid blatant partisanship if you are merely seeking to understand someone who doesn't follow politics (funnily enough I'm not always trying to win people over, because first one should try to understand them).

People have different interests, and if you don't share those interests, it can be challenging to understand, and in that respect, politics is no different.

People who aren't interested in politics, I've found, almost never want to talk about it and I never bring it up with them. A bit like religion.

 

[Gralin]

Without preferential voting and a first past the post system, this means that 2 million people turned up to vote (they might have wanted to vote for a Governor, Senator or House member) and tossed their vote away.

With how the electoral college works nobody's vote really matters

The larger story is how many didn't bother to turn up (15million).

You don't have to vote in America and in some areas they make it almost impossible
They also vote on a weekday in a country where you have stuff all rights as a worker

When people say Trump won a larger chunk of a certain demographic. He probably won the same people, but the Dems lost a lot of theirs.

It's clear why minorities would be leaving the Democratic party who now seem to not care about the middle and lower classes, or immigrants or foreigners (Ukrainians, Palestinians ).

Now seem to not care?
They've never cared people are just realising it now because it's become so obvious

Also we've got a trend globally of incumbent governments that didn't help people during a cost of living crisis getting voted out

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Coalition has been clever here. They've support this but they'll be quite happy to let the meaningless tinkering story take hold.

This will absolutely be a deal between the ALP and LNP as they both want it. I wonder what the payoff is - what Dutton will be required to do.

 

[The Punter]

People who aren't interested in politics, I've found, almost never want to talk about it and I never bring it up with them. A bit like religion.

Well, and apologies for not stating this from the outset, but the only way to talk politics with people who aren't interested in it is if they bring it up first. It's easier when you've worked in politics because 1. people might know who work in politics and bring it up and 2. you can talk about your job as an entree into the topic.

Speak to someone long enough about their life and they'll eventually touch on politics is my experience. If they have kids, they'll talk schools. If they have older parents, they'll get to hospitals or aged care. If they live in the country (I do), roads will come up eventually.

 

[Saint]

Albanese's Social Media ban for children will be one of the stupidest policies of his now-almost-assured single term as Prime Minister.

It won't work. It will just annoy people. The people it was put in place to please (wowsers who are afraid of everything) are never going to vote for him anyway.

Who is advising this Government? Why are they upsetting all of their voters to please people who will never vote for them.

At this rate, they'll be cutting corporate tax rates and cutting parts out of the NDIS/Medicare next. Maybe if they just act a little bit more like the LNP, three or four LNP voters might swing.

 

[adogsfan5]

Albanese's Social Media ban for children will be one of the stupidest policies of his now-almost-assured single term as Prime Minister.

It won't work. It will just annoy people. The people it was put in place to please (wowsers who are afraid of everything) are never going to vote for him anyway.

Who is advising this Government? Why are they upsetting all of their voters to please people who will never vote for them.

At this rate, they'll be cutting corporate tax rates and cutting parts out of the NDIS/Medicare next. Maybe if they just act a little bit more like the LNP, three or four LNP voters might swing.

Do you know how this will be policed?

Eg if someone who is 15 creates a Facebook account, how do they end up getting rejected?

Or is it a specific deal between Facebook and Australia which will have new restrictions at the point of creating an account (have to show ID??)

 

[Saint]

Do you know how this will be policed?

Eg if someone who is 15 creates a Facebook account, how do they end up getting rejected?

Or is it a specific deal between Facebook and Australia which will have new restrictions at the point of creating an account (have to show ID??)

It's absolutely unenforceable. That's why it's even more stupid.

It's necessarily going to need ID. And rely on the social media sites agreeing. And I can only think of about a thousand ways for kids to get around it (How hard do you think it will be for kids to AI up a fake ID?).

Plus, it will mean every user of social media will need to provide ID, which none of us will want to do, so we will all find work-arounds.

All the police, teachers etc, who I know don't use their real names on social media, usually truncated versions so their students don't find them.

There are so many problems with this, I don't know where to start. And it doesn't even consider that popular social media changes every couple of years. Are the Aus Govt really going to provide that much ID information to the owners of TikTok (Chinese Govt) so they can verify the age of every user? Or to every new social media platform no matter how dodgy? Identity theft, anyone?

What about adults who don't have age verification ID any more?

The more you think about this policy, the stupider it sounds.

 

[Saint]

Is Chief going to have to check ID's? And if I'm really a Saint and Brownlow Medallist?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It's absolutely unenforceable. That's why it's even more stupid.

It's necessarily going to need ID. And rely on the social media sites agreeing. And I can only think of about a thousand ways for kids to get around it (How hard do you think it will be for kids to AI up a fake ID?).

Plus, it will mean every user of social media will need to provide ID, which none of us will want to do, so we will all find work-arounds.

All the police, teachers etc, who I know don't use their real names on social media, usually truncated versions so their students don't find them.

There are so many problems with this, I don't know where to start. And it doesn't even consider that popular social media changes every couple of years. Are the Aus Govt really going to provide that much ID information to the owners of TikTok (Chinese Govt) so they can verify the age of every user? Or to every new social media platform no matter how dodgy? Identity theft, anyone?

What about adults who don't have age verification ID any more?

The more you think about this policy, the stupider it sounds.

All absolutely correct. The more you think about it - the stupider it sounds - because Albanese and his cronies came up with it.

Dumber than a bunch of rocks.

 

[Gough]

All absolutely correct. The more you think about it - the stupider it sounds - because Albanese and his cronies came up with it.

Dumber than a bunch of rocks.

It's bipartisan policy but this sort of comment is going to be how it's spun.

 

[adogsfan5]

It's absolutely unenforceable. That's why it's even more stupid.

It's necessarily going to need ID. And rely on the social media sites agreeing. And I can only think of about a thousand ways for kids to get around it (How hard do you think it will be for kids to AI up a fake ID?).

Plus, it will mean every user of social media will need to provide ID, which none of us will want to do, so we will all find work-arounds.

All the police, teachers etc, who I know don't use their real names on social media, usually truncated versions so their students don't find them.

There are so many problems with this, I don't know where to start. And it doesn't even consider that popular social media changes every couple of years. Are the Aus Govt really going to provide that much ID information to the owners of TikTok (Chinese Govt) so they can verify the age of every user? Or to every new social media platform no matter how dodgy? Identity theft, anyone?

What about adults who don't have age verification ID any more?

The more you think about this policy, the stupider it sounds.

Yeah wow.. doesn’t seem to make much sense then. Can’t see social media platforms jumping on board just for us.

 

[Taylor]

If self enforcement becomes to onerous then the social media companies might just geo block the Aus IP addresses to save them having to spend the money building the systems with adequate security for privacy and compliance.

Then the likes of Meta fill the feeds with blame for the ALP on why your social media access is going to be cut off from some date.

 

[adogsfan5]

It's absolutely unenforceable. That's why it's even more stupid.

It's necessarily going to need ID. And rely on the social media sites agreeing. And I can only think of about a thousand ways for kids to get around it (How hard do you think it will be for kids to AI up a fake ID?).

Plus, it will mean every user of social media will need to provide ID, which none of us will want to do, so we will all find work-arounds.

All the police, teachers etc, who I know don't use their real names on social media, usually truncated versions so their students don't find them.

There are so many problems with this, I don't know where to start. And it doesn't even consider that popular social media changes every couple of years. Are the Aus Govt really going to provide that much ID information to the owners of TikTok (Chinese Govt) so they can verify the age of every user? Or to every new social media platform no matter how dodgy? Identity theft, anyone?

What about adults who don't have age verification ID any more?

The more you think about this policy, the stupider it sounds.

The below reads as, this is our great idea, but it won’t be our problem in setting it up.

“There will be no exemptions on the age limit for children who have consent from their parents. The government says that the onus would be on social media platforms to show they are taking reasonable steps to prevent access.

Albanese said there would be no penalties for users, and that it would be up to Australia's online regulator - the eSafety Commissioner - to enforce the laws.”

Australia plans social media ban for under-16s - BBC News

The government says it wants to mitigate the "harm" social media is inflicting on children.

www.bbc.com

 

[Gavin Excell]

I think the lesson from Trump's victory is that negative politics and blaming immigrants ****ing works like a charm

Yes which is likely Duttons campaign

Cost if living and cut immigration

That's about it

 

[Saint]

Yes which is likely Duttons campaign

Cost if living and cut immigration

That's about it

And it'll work if Albanese spends all of his time trying to appease Murdoch and Liberal voters by following Murdoch talking points.

Albanese should be on the front-foot with Cost of Living, not waiting for the RBA to do something, or for Dutton to announce a policy for Albanese to oppose.

Dutton will announce a cut to immigration, Albanese will oppose it, extreme lefties will say it's racist, and Dutton will win. (replace the words Trump for Dutton and Harris for Albanese, and it's a story we just watched happen already).

People want a solution to CoL and don't care about anything else.