Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Kyptastic]

I think you're underestimating how popular the idea of a social media ban for under 16s will be for parents.

Now, implementation is certainly an issue and probably unachievable. But as a broad idea I think it'll gain traction.

 

[Saint]

Yeah wow.. doesn’t seem to make much sense then. Can’t see social media platforms jumping on board just for us.

A lot of 16 year olds have ID, do they? The Australian Govt wants 16 year olds to give over their first ID and personal information to every site on the internet as a matter of habit? ARRGHHHHH, the stupid is hurting my head. It's screaming "STUPID" into a giant abyss

 

[Chief]

If self enforcement becomes to onerous then the social media companies might just geo block the Aus IP addresses to save them having to spend the money building the systems with adequate security for privacy and compliance.

Then the likes of Meta fill the feeds with blame for the ALP on why your social media access is going to be cut off from some date.

Authentication companies will spring up. Existing ones will grow. Security breaches will grow as these companies are attacked.

Musk will abuse the data. Zuck will misuse the data.

Small places like BF - are they social media? Will they have to charge a fee for authentication processes?

It'll be a nightmare.

 

[Saint]

I think you're underestimating how popular the idea of a social media ban for under 16s will be for parents.

Now, implementation is certainly an issue and probably unachievable. But as a broad idea I think it'll gain traction.

Those parents should ban their kids themselves. They really want their 16yo kids giving their details to social media companies?

 

[Chief]

I think you're underestimating how popular the idea of a social media ban for under 16s will be for parents.

Now, implementation is certainly an issue and probably unachievable. But as a broad idea I think it'll gain traction.

There are methods to do this already.

And wait until they find out that it means parents will have to provide ID.

 

[Saint]

Authentication companies will spring up. Existing ones will grow. Security breaches will grow as these companies are attacked.

Musk will abuse the data. Zuck will misuse the data.

Small places like BF - are they social media? Will they have to charge a fee for authentication processes?

It'll be a nightmare.

Kids will be disallowed one place and just move to the next.

 

[Saint]

There are methods to do this already.

And wait until they find out that it means parents will have to provide ID.

Chief, if you had to ban every user who refused to provide proof of age verification, and had to pay for the service, how much traffic do you think you'd lose? 50%, more, less?

 

[Taylor]

Authentication companies will spring up. Existing ones will grow. Security breaches will grow as these companies are attacked.

Musk will abuse the data. Zuck will misuse the data.

Small places like BF - are they social media? Will they have to charge a fee for authentication processes?

It'll be a nightmare.

Absolute nightmare. Where does a, respectfully, small site like bigfooty with 110k members find the added money to validate all those accounts??

With a big hammer hanging over the head saying if you do it wrong we whack you with a monster fine.

It's enough to turn someone's head towards the idea of less government involvement.

 

[Saint]

Here's a story of support. Child gets bullied on Social media. Parent goes to school and police before solving it by talking to the people posting the bullying stuff. When did it stop being the parents' job to talk to the parents of bullies about stopping them being bullies?

If somebody bullies my kids on Social Media, it won't be the police I'll be going to first. Most of the parents have our own social media chat groups to sort this stuff out.


After the shock of seeing her daughter's photo online, Stacey had conversations with local police and the school.

But she was told there was little they could do about the situation.

It was only after a direct conversation with the people behind the page that it was removed.

WA mum backs social media ban after daughter, 12, appears on 'hate page'

Stacey* does not allow her 12-year-old daughter to use social media, but that didn't stop her from being abused online.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Saint]

Parent: We need a ban on Social media because it's bad for kids.
Adult: Why don't you just not give your kid a smart phone to keep them off social media?
Parent: All kids have a smart phone, I don't want my kid to miss out.
Adult: Why do they want a smart phone?
Parent: So they can use Social Media.

 

[adogsfan5]

Here's a story of support. Child gets bullied on Social media. Parent goes to school and police before solving it by talking to the people posting the bullying stuff. When did it stop being the parents' job to talk to the parents of bullies about stopping them being bullies?

If somebody bullies my kids on Social Media, it won't be the police I'll be going to first. Most of the parents have our own social media chat groups to sort this stuff out.


After the shock of seeing her daughter's photo online, Stacey had conversations with local police and the school.

But she was told there was little they could do about the situation.

It was only after a direct conversation with the people behind the page that it was removed.

WA mum backs social media ban after daughter, 12, appears on 'hate page'

Stacey* does not allow her 12-year-old daughter to use social media, but that didn't stop her from being abused online.

www.abc.net.au

It seems like everyone is wanting to pass the responsibility onto someone else…

Parents to Government.
Government to the social media platform.

 

[Taylor]

After the shock of seeing her daughter's photo online, Stacey had conversations with local police and the school.

Makes sense to me.

Confronting another child's father that I don't know is terrifying.

 

[Saint]

I think you're underestimating how popular the idea of a social media ban for under 16s will be for parents.

Now, implementation is certainly an issue and probably unachievable. But as a broad idea I think it'll gain traction.

People want it so that "other" kids and parents who bully their kids will stop.

But kids and parents who break the rules aren't to be punished under the new law. So the parents and kids who want it will still use it, and the parents who could simply ban it themselves will still follow the rules and continue to complain about the bad kids and parents.

 

[Kyptastic]

Those parents should ban their kids themselves. They really want their 16yo kids giving their details to social media companies?

We should take away the laws banning the selling of alcohol to under 18s then. Let the parents ban the kids from buying it.

 

[The Punter]

Under 16s don't need smart phones. My 13 year old doesn't have one. This is a situation where parents need to be better.

 

[Saint]

Makes sense to me.

Confronting another child's father that I don't know is terrifying.

But also part of your job as a parent. Not only to stop bullying, but to set an example of how adults have to deal with idiot adults all the time for the rest of their lives.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

They don't collect frequent flyer points for Department of Parliamentary Affairs flights. They do collect status credits (which if you get enough of them, you get lounge membership to various levels).

And given government people fly often they will rack up those credits fast.
Hell discount economy on QF you get 20 credits for a return flight. MEL to SYD and to CBR.

 

[Taylor]

But also part of your job as a parent. Not only to stop bullying, but to set an example of how adults have to deal with idiot adults all the time for the rest of their lives.

I agree, but with their father beside me in case it kicks off. Not every child has the benefit of such a involved and motivated father as mine.

Correlation between positive social outcomes and a present and involved biological father is astounding. Key to everything are dads and there's a lot of mothers out there without that support - we aren't as generally confrontational to begin with.

 

[Saint]

We should take away the laws banning the selling of alcohol to under 18s then. Let the parents ban the kids from buying it.

They're bricks and mortar, already heavily regulated and don't keep the data.

I feel like this is a policy to prevent parents having to learn how to parent in the 21st century.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It's bipartisan policy but this sort of comment is going to be how it's spun.

If the Liberals support this then they're equally as dumb

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Albanese's Social Media ban for children will be one of the stupidest policies of his now-almost-assured single term as Prime Minister.

It won't work. It will just annoy people. The people it was put in place to please (wowsers who are afraid of everything) are never going to vote for him anyway.

Who is advising this Government? Why are they upsetting all of their voters to please people who will never vote for them.

At this rate, they'll be cutting corporate tax rates and cutting parts out of the NDIS/Medicare next. Maybe if they just act a little bit more like the LNP, three or four LNP voters might swing.

It feels reactionary but it's reacting to nothing

 

[Saint]

I agree, but with their father beside me in case it kicks off. Not every child has the benefit of such a involved and motivated father as mine.

Correlation between positive social outcomes and a present and involved biological father is astounding. Key to everything are dads and there's a lot of mothers out there without that support - we aren't as generally confrontational to begin with.

99% of the time, it's not a confrontation, it's just letting them know what their kid is doing. Which can be done online itself, or via a phone call. And also letting the school know (assuming it's school-based, and not the sports club or dance studio)

 

[Saint]

If the Liberals support this then they're equally as dumb

They do, and they are.

 

[Chief]

Chief, if you had to ban every user who refused to provide proof of age verification, and had to pay for the service, how much traffic do you think you'd lose? 50%, more, less?

Thread needs a poll.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I think you're underestimating how popular the idea of a social media ban for under 16s will be for parents.

Now, implementation is certainly an issue and probably unachievable. But as a broad idea I think it'll gain traction.

I'm sure kids won't ever find a way around it.

This sort of stuff just treats kids as idiots when in reality it's much different