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Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-
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From memory the majority of the public did support the idea of it, before the coalition and friends went hard on their negative campaign.
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The support was much higher before the referendum was announced and the coalition flipped on supporting it.
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You mentioned that Dutton and Co influenced 61 per cent of Australians. Not sure Dutton and Co are that popular. I think you are selling the general public a bit short. Just like Albanese did.
that's not at all the same thing as what I said
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I said the support was in the majority before the coalition and friends negative campaign. No one ever said 61% of Australians were influenced by them.
You can fact check it.
Three quarters of Australians want a referendum to create an Indigenous Voice to Parliament — but not all the major parties do
Vote Compass asked whether Australia should amend its constitution to establish a representative body to advise Parliament on laws and policies affecting Indigenous peoples — and there was clear support for the idea.
www.abc.net.au
And as I stated it was poorly executed by Albanese. Hence why it didn't go through.I said the support was in the majority before the coalition and friends negative campaign. No one ever said 61% of Australians were influenced by them.
You can fact check it.
Three quarters of Australians want a referendum to create an Indigenous Voice to Parliament — but not all the major parties do
Vote Compass asked whether Australia should amend its constitution to establish a representative body to advise Parliament on laws and policies affecting Indigenous peoples — and there was clear support for the idea.
Correct, it’s easy to blame the opposition for campaigning against it, but the simple fact that’s conveniently ignored is it was a piss poor job by Albo to sell it allowing the negative campaign to thrive and he could never debunk any of it.
He simply took the idea that the majority supported it so it would pass and there was no need for any detail to be released.
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You said he misread the general public, who mostly supported it as per the link I provided.
Now you're saying it was poorly executed.
These aren't the same things.
He did both which is pretty obvious. Even to those that post stupid memes. There usually the people that know they have lost the arguement.You said he misread the general public, who mostly supported it as per the link I provided.
Now you're saying it was poorly executed.
These aren't the same things.
They're a good guide to how an election pans out,see US election,bookies got it spot on.
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Betting odds often do a better job than polls at indicating likely election results.
Not sure how relevant they are 6 months out from an election though.
Fair to say... if an election were held next week, the odds and the polls both point to ALP being the underdog.
Betting odds have across the past 5 years or so given a better indication than polling results
The evidence that has been presented here shows that there was a majority in support prior to the official launch of the referendum. How that can be misconstrued as the PM misreading sentiment in the community is absolutely beyond me...
They’re far more accurate than the polls
… freedom of choice my friend, that’s the way democracies should work huh?
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Oh but, how will the greedy corrupt Govt get their dirty, ill-gotten money from suffering then?
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I suspect they took the wrong lesson out of that.
Disagree. They just tell us the mood of punters, maybe partially based on polling. So then, may as well just look at polls.
How did the odds look prior to the 2016 US Election, or the 2019 Australian election?
Betting odds take a lead from polling, and also dependent on the sentiments felt by the punters, which skew towards certain demographics.
Wouldn't say they do a better job, they get it wrong as well. 2016 US, 2019 Aus elections etc.
Betting odds do nothing but move to ensure money comes in on both sides. Bookies don't care who wins, only that they balance books either way
The odds move according to how much money comes in. If someone drops $5k on Albo (for whatever reason), the odds will shorten that way to entice money comes in on Dutton
Polls are borderline useless and I'm not sure why anyone pays them any mind. How many people are even polled and when they make predictions they have a bob each way to cover their arses being wrong. Completely useless
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