Ashes 2021/22

[Blackhawk42]

At th end of the day CA is a business and the worst day in Melbourne is a bigger crowd than Tassie could provide with 5 full days. Add in the negative PR attention from Tassie and they’ve really got nothing going for them.

The Paine retirement angle was their only hope.

Could make it a Wadey retirement game instead?

 

[Coops93]

In part, I don't think the curators are entirely to glame. Drop in wickets are by and large going to disappoint.

I'm not sure that's true anymore. The Gabba & Adelaide are both drop ins and are consistently the 2 best pitches in Aus. Perth is too iirc but it hasn't really been around long enough to generate a proper identity.

The MCG prepare shite pitches.

 

[swingdog]

Back in the glory days when Australia kept winning with players such as Warne, Gilchrist, Ponting, Clarke, McGrath, etc, there was definitely a tone on this forum suggesting tall poppy syndrome. A lot of people didn't like Australia because they kept winning all the time. Can you imagine that? They were watching some of the best cricketers of all time and weren't happy. I wonder at times just how many genuine cricket lovers post in here.

It's probably ONLY genuine cricket lovers that post here.

It's always been an issue with more recent Australian teams - can love the cricket and the talent on display, but hate the arseholery. We're the same as India in that regard.

 

[BStaff17]

You neglect a state long enough and you will lose interest from the state.
Sometimes they need to look long term over the short term cash boost.

We have seen it with the tv rights already, chasing the $ now not caring about the long term impact. Don’t expect Tasmania to keep supporting cricket while the keep proving they don’t care about cricket in Tasmania

Is that the same argument with the AFL atm as well neglecting tassie

 

[Coops93]

It's probably ONLY genuine cricket lovers that post here.

It's always been an issue with more recent Australian teams - can love the cricket and the talent on display, but hate the arseholery. We're the same as India in that regard.

The dickheadery is probably worse now than it was back then.

Back then it was probably bravado and arrogance that was earned by having 5 of your top 7 average 50 and arguably the best fast bowler and spin bowler playing at the same time. But I don't think any of them were genuine dickheads - sans Warne but even then it wasn't in the mould of todays guys.

Now we have guys like Warner and Wade who are absolute weapons. I don't think Wade is awful fwiw but he is wholly unpopular overseas and is viewed that way.

 

[Gough]

It's probably ONLY genuine cricket lovers that post here.

It's always been an issue with more recent Australian teams - can love the cricket and the talent on display, but hate the arseholery. We're the same as India in that regard.

That was always the problem for me when Australia was at it's best, the cricket itself was boring. That we ended up on the wrong end of the series in India in 2000 and the 2005 Ashes yet those are those are the legendary series of that era says something. Nobody looks back fondly at belting the West Indies or Pakistan three zip at home inside twelve days.

 

[swingdog]

That was always the problem for me when Australia was at it's best, the cricket itself was boring. That we ended up on the wrong end of the series in India in 2000 and the 2005 Ashes yet those are those are the legendary series of that era says something. Nobody looks back fondly at belting the West Indies or Pakistan three zip at home inside twelve days.

Always prefer an even contest though I can appreciate the skill of the very best teams.

Though it can take time. A part of me is still damaged from watching the Windies come through here on a regular basis in the 80s to beat up a succession of Australian teams. Great team but jeez it was painful viewing at the time.

 

[Coops93]

Always prefer an even contest though I can appreciate the skill of the very best teams.

Though it can take time. A part of me is still damaged from watching the Windies come through here on a regular basis in the 80s to beat up a succession of Australian teams. Great team but jeez it was painful viewing at the time.

Therein is the inherent problem with Test Cricket. There's just not enough teams at that level to make all the series interesting.

Unless it's England, India or South Africa (maybe not so much right now) the series are boringly one sided.

Then you run into the problem of being bored of playing the same team over and over. I'm sick of playing India, it's like we play a test series vs them as frequently as the Ashes now.


Unless, of course, we play in the sub continent and lose/draw, but then we say it doesn't really count because it was on the sub continent and ignore that result.

 

[corbies]

You neglect a state long enough and you will lose interest from the state.
Sometimes they need to look long term over the short term cash boost.

We have seen it with the tv rights already, chasing the $ now not caring about the long term impact. Don’t expect Tasmania to keep supporting cricket while the keep proving they don’t care about cricket in Tasmania

Is Tasmania really neglected in cricket? They have 1/50th of Australia's population and yet get 1/8th of the Big Bash teams and 1/6th of the Sheffield Shield teams. They certainly get more than 1/50th of the international fixtures. The Hurricanes average home crowd is consistently the worst in the Big Bash.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

The dickheadery is probably worse now than it was back then.

Back then it was probably bravado and arrogance that was earned by having 5 of your top 7 average 50 and arguably the best fast bowler and spin bowler playing at the same time. But I don't think any of them were genuine dickheads - sans Warne but even then it wasn't in the mould of todays guys.

Now we have guys like Warner and Wade who are absolute weapons. I don't think Wade is awful fwiw but he is wholly unpopular overseas and is viewed that way.

How is Warne not a genuine dickhead?

 

[corbies]

How is Warne not a genuine dickhead?

It says sans Warne but then like how were blokes like Matthew Hayden, Darren Lehmann, Michael Slater not genuine dickheads?

 

[MC Bad Genius]

It says sans Warne but then like how were blokes like Matthew Hayden, Darren Lehmann, Michael Slater not genuine dickheads?

100% agree. Australian cricket dickheadery is not limited to the current team.

 

[Red Till The End]

Therein is the inherent problem with Test Cricket. There's just not enough teams at that level to make all the series interesting.

Unless it's England, India or South Africa (maybe not so much right now) the series are boringly one sided.

Then you run into the problem of being bored of playing the same team over and over. I'm sick of playing India, it's like we play a test series vs them as frequently as the Ashes now.


Unless, of course, we play in the sub continent and lose/draw, but then we say it doesn't really count because it was on the sub continent and ignore that result.

Genuinely feels like we play India more than we do England to me. I share your sentiment, it's become boring.

 

[Coops93]

How is Warne not a genuine dickhead?

He was a dickhead, but was he a dickhead in the ilk of Warner? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.

The same goes for the names above. The rabid dog type of reputation we've got these days to be seems worse than back then. I don't recall many of those guys chasing blokes up into the changerooms causing fights.

 

[swingdog]

Cricket Australia framing the selection narrative? Just out.

 

[corbies]

Cricket Australia framing the selection narrative? Just out.

Yesterday they were accused of framing it to promote Inglis as he was put up to the media.

 

[big_e]

He was a dickhead, but was he a dickhead in the ilk of Warner? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.

The same goes for the names above. The rabid dog type of reputation we've got these days to be seems worse than back then. I don't recall many of those guys chasing blokes up into the changerooms causing fights.

You're right. When it was McGrath vs Sarwan, he wanted to do it on the pitch.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Keeping standards and Carey...wouldn't be the angle I'd be going lol

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Giving a 2nd test to another state and just ignoring Tasmania again would be a huge slap in the face.

Whether they are pissy at Cricket Tas or not shouldn't matter. They neglect Tassie so often and we finally have a chance to give Tassie a marquee game if they snub them again it will show how little they care about the game in the state.

Tend to agree, we don't need a second in Sydney or Melbourne. Maybe get Tassie under lights with the pink ball.

 

[Braidz]

Australia not making runs =/= dicey pitch. We failed to make runs on literal highways in the UAE..

Last years pitch was awful. Nullified Australia's strength (Cummins and Hazlewood) by sapping all of the pace due a tacky, terrible, typical MCG wicket. In part, I don't think the curators are entirely to glame. Drop in wickets are by and large going to disappoint. But I also don't think this current curator has the answers. For every "great" wicket used in a shield match, there are three shocking ones.

Last years pitches other than Adelaide and Perth were a joke. Played right into India’s hands. I feel it was BCCI influence. India would never serve up anything that would advantage the away team

 

[MC Bad Genius]

He was a dickhead, but was he a dickhead in the ilk of Warner? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong.

The same goes for the names above. The rabid dog type of reputation we've got these days to be seems worse than back then. I don't recall many of those guys chasing blokes up into the changerooms causing fights.

I can't even remember what prompted that now. Was it Warner? All I recall is Faf coming out to see what was going on in a towel.

But the rabid dog reputation has been around for a loooooong time. That article (whether you agree with the analysis or not) has a pretty good timeline of the behaviour of the Australian cricket team.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I can't even remember what prompted that now. Was it Warner? All I recall is Faf coming out to see what was going on in a towel.

But the rabid dog reputation has been around for a loooooong time. That article (whether you agree with the analysis or not) has a pretty good timeline of the behaviour of the Australian cricket team.

Was mainly Warner, but the others were at fault too obvious. Penalties were OTT though they were purely a PR exercise to cater for the mugs in the media not knowing much about cricket.

 

[Coops93]

You're right. When it was McGrath vs Sarwan, he wanted to do it on the pitch.

I'm sure we all would've handled someone insulting our dead wives better than him.

 

[Coops93]

I can't even remember what prompted that now. Was it Warner? All I recall is Faf coming out to see what was going on in a towel.

But the rabid dog reputation has been around for a loooooong time. That article (whether you agree with the analysis or not) has a pretty good timeline of the behaviour of the Australian cricket team.

It's the only thing worth remembering about that whole saga

I'm not trying to suggest the guys of yesteryear were teetotaling gentlemen don't get me wrong, it just feels to me like we were at an all-time bad at around the time of sandpapergate, worse than the mid naughts.

 

[corbies]

Last years pitches other than Adelaide and Perth were a joke. Played right into India’s hands. I feel it was BCCI influence. India would never serve up anything that would advantage the away team

There was no Test in Perth last year?