News Assistant coach changes for 2018... BUMPED p42, now discussing potential 2019 promotions to other clubs

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Not any sort of surprise but Tarkyn looked pretty dejected in the rooms after the game.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Not any sort of surprise but Tarkyn looked pretty dejected in the rooms after the game.

 

[regpies]

Is anybody as worried as I am the Burns going to Hawthorn will mean that the Hawks learn our gameplan inside out. What a disaster that will be.

Yeah..... Clarko will definitely copy it....

 

[regpies]

If you were a good assistant coach why wouldn't you want to come to us. There's a pretty good chance in the next 2yrs you could be an interim head coach if we have a bad start either year.

We clearly show glimpses of being a good team, but can't quite put teams away.

 

[Go Woods]

I don't blame Scott Burns for wanting to leave. Was talked up as a possible head coach before he left West Coast for us. Working under Clarko will be much better for his career. In fact he could come back as our head coach after 2yrs of gathering Hawthorn intelligence.

Well it's pretty obvious Burns was not going to be retained IMO so he proactively found another job before officially being told he was no longer required.
Looks as though only Sanderson & Gotch will survive the cull.

 

[Go Woods]

So why did the Hawks seek out the services of a 'quiet man who doesn't add a lot'? And why does Burns want to leave?

All assistants bar Sanderson & Gotch (contracted for 2018) have been told to look elsewhere as they aren't contracted beyond this year and there is no guarantee they will be re-signed.

 

[GreekLunatic]

Is davoren sacked yet

 

[esc0bar]

why would Ratts come over to be asst coach. Particularly when Hawks are building a new era. And with Cam Bruce leaving it further enhances Ratten's standing as Clarko's right hand man.
It's like choosing between an Audi and a Holden (sponsor analogy is deliberate)

There is a thing called money too you know? Whereby we can actually offer a better salary package. If we want someone we will get them.

 

[esc0bar]

Is davoren sacked yet

this guy was possibly the worst appointment of anyone. Took him 3 years to stabilise the injury rate by which time a number of players lost their careers.

 

[Justlokan]

There is a thing called money too you know? Whereby we can actually offer a better salary package. If we want someone we will get them.

there's a thing called the football department spending tax you know. And it's not as if Hawthorn is paying him a pittance. I wouldn't want Ratts or any other assistant if his only motivation was $$

 

[Hardas]

Good. Stevie J should be one they look at. Luke Hodge another.

Hodge would be sensational as backline coach..
Who would be the cutting edge of mids coaching at successful clubs?

 

[Justlokan]

Hodge would be sensational as backline coach..
Who would be the cutting edge of mids coaching at successful clubs?

I'd also look at James Kelly. Wants to coach, has incredible pedigree and credibility and clearly knows how to work with developing kids.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

All assistants bar Sanderson & Gotch (contracted for 2018) have been told to look elsewhere as they aren't contracted beyond this year and there is no guarantee they will be re-signed.

Interested in the source but not at all surprised on this front. Rivers a bit stiff.

 

[esc0bar]

there's a thing called the football department spending tax you know. And it's not as if Hawthorn is paying him a pittance. I wouldn't want Ratts or any other assistant if his only motivation was $$

Of course it would be a number of factors and money might be a motivator. I would say the review has outlined that the club should be spending for success rather than trying to stick within the parameters of the FD tax.

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Nick maxwell as defensive coach, hodge as mid coach , poach an experienced forward coach. Sav rocca as a goal kicking coach. Get monkhourst as ruck coach.

 

[ZerokooL]

Yeah. I'd keep Rocca and Gotch. IMO, they possess the ability to say the word no to Nathan Buckley which will be the most important factor in his survival beyond 2017. If the club can surround him with a group that isn't filled to the brim with yes men he might actually be able to become a reasonable coach as opposed to the poor one he is currently.

I believe the fascination with Hodge is that he brings with him a tenacious will to win, the knowledge of how to impart that on others, he has a strong footy brain and is universally loved and respected. I'm in the yes corner with Hodge, but only if we make the right call and ditch Buckley. We're a weak club and won't sack him so he isn't a going to be a good fit because the club can't afford another guy learning on the job under Buckley.

In a golden son environment of nepotism, saying 'no' or having a difference of opinion is rare characteristic that is to be commended. That makes me wonder why he is still there in the first place?

While I agree with you on that front, my argument would be, does Rocca still posses the fresh ideas and iq required for today's game? Was he at all responsible for some of the fault in our fwd line? Maybe Bucks did listen to him?

The game has changed significantly since he played as a KPF which centred around big men who didn't move out of fwd half. Guess the actions stemming from review will tell.

 

[Chameleon75]

In a golden son environment of nepotism, saying 'no' or having a difference of opinion is rare characteristic that is to be commended. That makes me wonder why he is still there in the first place?

While I agree with you on that front, my argument would be, does Rocca still posses the fresh ideas and iq required for today's game? Was he at all responsible for some of the fault in our fwd line? Maybe Bucks did listen to him?

The game has changed significantly since he played as a KPF which centred around big men who didn't move out of fwd half. Guess the actions stemming from review will tell.

Thought Rocca was a development coach and Sanderson our forward coach.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

And a serious question.

A coach, assistant or any type, they are involved deeply watching the game.

• How come people then say they don't understand the game anymore, it's gone past them?

What's this special genius that seems the domain of only the elite few in the game (and many on the internet it seems)?

Not sure how suddenly great students of the game don't know the game?

 

[left at home]

Looks like Harvey going to coach his own team, footy program on seven today

 

[ZerokooL]

Thought Rocca was a development coach and Sanderson our forward coach.

Good question?? Still, there'd be heavy scrutiny going on in that dept too.

Think Sanderson will probably be OK though as he hasn't been there long enough and is still under contract.

 

[ZerokooL]

• How come people then say they don't understand the game anymore, it's gone past them?

Figure of speech... Maybe 'gone past them' can mean the way in which they related to the game back when they played it, or from what it was many years ago.

Strategies, mentality, physicality, fitness, science may have changed since that time however, if they are progressive and are open to new and fresh ideas, well then they may still have something positive to contribute or see it for what it is? Furthermore, like all jobs, I think people get stale in the same role (especially if they haven't experienced other environments) and become complacent too.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Figure of speech... Maybe 'gone past them' can mean the way in which they related to the game back when they played it, or from what it was many years ago.

Strategies, mentality, physicality, fitness, science may have changed since that time however, if they are progressive and are open to new and fresh ideas, well then they may still have something positive to contribute or see it for what it is? Furthermore, like all jobs, I think people get stale in the same role (especially if they haven't experienced other environments) and become complacent too.

That's fair.

Just sometimes (I suspect) it's used to be a smack on the way out eg Denis Pagan.

I'm certain Denis understands the game very well even today.

Happily I see him quite a bit at the races, so,ikknow he has impeccable taste in sport

 

[Fruit]

I don't know why some people are suggesting a position with us might not be a great job. I also don't subscribe to the theory that Bucks doesn't listen to his assistants. We have rarely had any assistants who have bought some knowledge from the successful clubs e.g. When Port's assistants were poached and recently when Hawks assistants have been all the rage. I think a couple of assistants who've been in a winning program would make an enormous difference to Bucks and our whole club.

 

[Smoky]

Is there actually a Football department spend Cap? Or is it just a tax that you pay if you go over the cap?

If it's a Tax...

PAY THE TAX.

Keep Sando as midfield Coach.

Get Chocco as mentor, get Nick Maxwell as defensive coach, get Monkhurst as Ruck Coach. get Eade, Daicos, Llyod, Hodge... and hire Bevo as our Forwards coach for all I care, pay Paul Roos to run the drinks... Pay the tax...

Collingwood is a business and financial powerhouse apparently... Instead of all our tax going to our Government, why not spend it all on the Senior Football side.

 

[Alexander323bc]

Is there actually a Football department spend Cap? Or is it just a tax that you pay if you go over the cap?

If it's a Tax...

PAY THE TAX.

Keep Sando as midfield Coach.

Get Chocco as mentor, get Nick Maxwell as defensive coach, get Monkhurst as Ruck Coach. get Eade, Daicos, Llyod, Hodge... and hire Bevo as our Forwards coach for all I care, pay Paul Roos to run the drinks... Pay the tax...

Collingwood is a business and financial powerhouse apparently... Instead of all our tax going to our Government, why not spend it all on the Senior Football side.

As a not for profit organization I doubt that we pay income tax.