Australia V England 2nd test of the 2017/18 Ashes @Adelaide Oval

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It's no wonder their players actually convince themselves they are victims when you have cheerleaders like dobell writing stuff like this in support of stokes and Barstow.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21605152/is-woakes-thug-australia-continue-fake-news-campaign

Don't disagree with the point that most of the team are probably decent blokes. But their press/players would be doing the exact same thing if roles were reversed. The British press is even more shameless than here.

Miffed at this though...

one or two Australia players might reflect how much they would like details of their private lives to be broadcast over stump mics.

Private life? This wasn't about his family, relationship, dodgy past, or anything at all to do with his private life. It was about him 'headbutting' an Australian player in a pub.

I'm sure there was nothing in it but it's still a ****ing weird thing to do and he deserves a bit of ribbing on the field and in the press about it.
 
Getting into somebody private life...that would be like a group of supporters singing songs about a blokes wife and mother right?

His mother hates his missus
His missus hates his mother
They all hate each other
The Johnson Family
de le la le de le la le de le la le


I should add i don't care about either side sledging or off field mind games or the barmy army and their songs but it's just insufferable when one side uses every trick in the book to win but still wants to act like innocent lambs when they get it back their way.
 

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I'm not saying he wasn't a disappointment. Just he's not close to being an elite allrounder but not a completely useless member of the team either. He was making runs (although not going on with it) and getting us off to good starts. He would have these stretches of games where he would be knocking up 50's. He always seemed to just hang in there. I agree in part that he was definitely selected for potential a lot, but also had some periods of OK form.

Yeh not a well liked member of the team by all accounts, and seemed to be disliked by the opposition as well.
He's not the worst player to pull on a baggy green by a long shot, but I think the question you have to ask when selecting an all rounder is - is their form with bat or ball better than a possible specialist inclusion? I know Watson had some decent periods with the bat as an opener, but even then, did he make matchwinning runs at a fast clip like Warner or hold up an end and lift his rate when needed like a Langer?

I can't help but remember when the selectors couldn't drop Phil Hughes fast enough when Watson returned from injuries. Sure, at the time Hughes was having some technical issues and maybe some psychological ones too, but he was a prodigious talent who HAD delivered with the bat in pivotal games, and deserved more of an opportunity at that time. The selectors used the above-mentioned issues as an excuse to drop him more because they were champing at the bit to get the next Keith Miller into the side, despite the fact he'd showed bugger all at test level and Hughes had, in just a handful of games.

What's even worse is that not only did Watson never become the next Keith Miller or anything close to it, Phil Hughes's cricket suffered a blow in the confidence department that he never recovered from up til his untimely death.
 
What's even worse is that not only did Watson never become the next Keith Miller or anything close to it, Phil Hughes's cricket suffered a blow in the confidence department that he never recovered from up til his untimely death.

I agree - Watson is CLEARLY the one to blame for Hughes death.

#twatto
#justiceforphil
 
Don't disagree with the point that most of the team are probably decent blokes. But their press/players would be doing the exact same thing if roles were reversed. The British press is even more shameless than here.

I'm pretty sure it was the 1993 Ashes series, I'm a little hazy on the details now, but the English media planted microphones around the ground so they could write articles about those big nasty Australians and they way they behaved on the field. What they found was a bit of banter, but nothing untoward. As a matter of fact, they found certain English players' behaviour worse than the Australians. Must have been embarrassing for them to report.

It has been a major peeve of mine that the moment anyone suggests sledging or poor behaviour, then it has to be the Australians' fault. Opposition teams are aware of the media's propensity to believe this, and play up to it, a la poor little Jimmy Anderson (a player who has a lot to say on the field) who goes running to the press every time someone mentions a word to him. Kohli, another classic example.

Nobody is suggesting for a moment the Australians are choir boys, they aren't. They have moments when they go too far. However, to blame them solely for what happens out in the middle is a complete fallacy. Many of the worst incidents of this type have actually occurred in Tests not involving Australia. How can this be if it's only the Aussies doing it?

There was another classic scenario in the mid-2000s, a Test against South Africa in Perth. Several South African players complained of racist remarks directed towards them from the crowd. Upon investigation, it was found the comments were coming from a section full of South Africa supporters :)
 
I'm pretty sure it was the 1993 Ashes series, I'm a little hazy on the details now, but the English media planted microphones around the ground so they could write articles about those big nasty Australians and they way they behaved on the field. What they found was a bit of banter, but nothing untoward. As a matter of fact, they found certain English players' behaviour worse than the Australians. Must have been embarrassing for them to report.

It has been a major peeve of mine that the moment anyone suggests sledging or poor behaviour, then it has to be the Australians' fault. Opposition teams are aware of the media's propensity to believe this, and play up to it, a la poor little Jimmy Anderson (a player who has a lot to say on the field) who goes running to the press every time someone mentions a word to him. Kohli, another classic example.

Nobody is suggesting for a moment the Australians are choir boys, they aren't. They have moments when they go too far. However, to blame them solely for what happens out in the middle is a complete fallacy. Many of the worst incidents of this type have actually occurred in Tests not involving Australia. How can this be if it's only the Aussies doing it?

There was another classic scenario in the mid-2000s, a Test against South Africa in Perth. Several South African players complained of racist remarks directed towards them from the crowd. Upon investigation, it was found the comments were coming from a section full of South Africa supporters :)
That was when they picked up AB giving Billy a serve.
 
Phil Hughes's cricket suffered a blow in the confidence department that he never recovered from up til his untimely death.

If you can't bounce back from getting dropped then you are not tough enough for test cricket. You make enough runs you get picked. I think your doing Phil Hughes a disservice.

Not a Watson fan, leaden footwork, he struggle against the slower ball had him batting too high for someone with his conversion rate. Though he did learn something as a bowler cut his pace and actually became a better bowler, unfortunate his glass body mean he simply was not available often enough to bowl.



 
It has been a major peeve of mine that the moment anyone suggests sledging or poor behaviour, then it has to be the Australians' fault. Opposition teams are aware of the media's propensity to believe this, and play up to it, a la poor little Jimmy Anderson (a player who has a lot to say on the field) who goes running to the press every time someone mentions a word to him. Kohli, another classic example.

Last two series between england and india have been as full on as any i have seen i recent years, constant sledging from both sides yet it never get played up by either sides press the same way it does when we are playing those two sides.
 
Don't disagree with the point that most of the team are probably decent blokes. But their press/players would be doing the exact same thing if roles were reversed. The British press is even more shameless than here.

Miffed at this though...



Private life? This wasn't about his family, relationship, dodgy past, or anything at all to do with his private life. It was about him 'headbutting' an Australian player in a pub.

I'm sure there was nothing in it but it's still a ******* weird thing to do and he deserves a bit of ribbing on the field and in the press about it.
Dobell’s bona fides as an insufferably biased miscreant is well established.
 
Not a Watson fan, leaden footwork, he struggle against the slower ball had him batting too high for someone with his conversion rate. Though he did learn something as a bowler cut his pace and actually became a better bowler, unfortunate his glass body mean he simply was not available often enough to bowl.
Bumble summed the bloke up with this cheeky commentary "Look I don't know the bloke... but I bet he just loves batting against the bowling machine. Standing there smashing balls straight down the V all day."
 

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Ben Stokes comes to mind as well re: sledging. Very aggressive. Run ins with Kohli (who hasn't) and Marlon Samuels.
That's the problem, there are no real antagonists in this England side. Jimmy is just a twat who gets lippy when he's on top, and the rest are all pretty docile.
 
Why would we stop sledging when it has worked this surprisingly well? I cannot believe the poms haven't just stfu and moved on
If they didn't sook it would probably ease off. Instead they give our blokes more ammo.
 
That's the problem, there are no real antagonists in this England side. Jimmy is just a twat who gets lippy when he's on top, and the rest are all pretty docile.
Its pretty clear that Broad and Andersook run that team. Root (ed) is just a token captain......
 
If you want to experience the soon in all its glory, read Anderson's full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...aking-mickey-will-not-take-abuse-likes-david/

As they say over there, what a plonker.

That article could be just trying to get some clicks and interest in the series. It's on BT Sport over here so it's got even less people following it than it would have if it was on Sky. I'm not sure many people know it's on at all. It's very disappointing considering the enormous fuss that was made over the 2005 series. Then it all just disappeared from view.

But yes, it sounds absurd. Especially from Mr Angry himself.
 
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Don't disagree with the point that most of the team are probably decent blokes. But their press/players would be doing the exact same thing if roles were reversed. The British press is even more shameless than here.

Miffed at this though...



Private life? This wasn't about his family, relationship, dodgy past, or anything at all to do with his private life. It was about him 'headbutting' an Australian player in a pub.

I'm sure there was nothing in it but it's still a ******* weird thing to do and he deserves a bit of ribbing on the field and in the press about it.

George figuratively shot his load in the first couple of days, and he's written some extraordinary stuff about the English team in the past. You can't take him too seriously. He's like a Fox journo these days.
 

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