But Kane Cornes is being paid to talk crap.
The people here fantasising they are list managers aren't.
I think he has more of an idea of what he's doing than you realise, you've not only read his views but you have shared them.
Traded Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB
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The people here fantasising they are list managers aren't.
I think he has more of an idea of what he's doing than you realise, you've not only read his views but you have shared them.
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Kane-O spot on.
Highly doubt that clown would say the some if it was a port Adelaide player lol
I think both Kane and Morris have no idea including any of us on this forum lol
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Picks in the early 20s this draft are more valuable than maybe any draft we've seen. Everyone knows there are 30-odd guys that would go top 15 in most drafts.
This means:
1) The dogs are not likely to give it up to make a stand.
2) Geelong are unlikely to blink and pay a heap more than that.
3) If it came to him going to the draft (it won't), no other club is going to pick a player who doesn't want to go there when there's a heap of talent still on the board.
Still reckon it ends up as Geelong's first and a future 3rd.
This means:
1) The dogs are not likely to give it up to make a stand.
2) Geelong are unlikely to blink and pay a heap more than that.
3) If it came to him going to the draft (it won't), no other club is going to pick a player who doesn't want to go there when there's a heap of talent still on the board.
Still reckon it ends up as Geelong's first and a future 3rd.
Bailey Smith is worth more then just pick 20 you would have to give up a second rounder also
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Would be interesting to know what Cats supporters would be expecting for Max Holmes if the script was flipped..
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But it takes to two trade. Why isn't Geelong equally sending him to the draft over that difference?
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Funny how that just happens to be true when Geelong fans want their pick 20 to be perceived as valuable in the context of offering it for a trade.
Nobody has a crystal ball to the future. We're talking about the AFL output of 17 year olds. Smith himself is proving that even if you find a valuable player through a draft there's uncertainty over how much that player will potentially contribute to success over a career for the team that drafts them anyway.
All we can broadly say is that the Dogs would getting access to the 20th choice draftee, of which isbroughly similar value for the 20th best in future years
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Don't take this the wrong way but I don't think the Geelong administration would take the idea of him being sent to the draft seriously. The dogs would have to sit there and wait until the deadline had passed and no trade was technically possible for Mackie to realise it's not just an empty bluff. Even if you're not bluffing, a bluff only works if it looks like it could happen.
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Dear God Morris is a moron.
Has been told 100 times Smith would go to the ND not PSD but can't get it right.
Sports journalism in this country seriously you have to laugh.
It’s trash one reason i hate this time of the year
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Personally if I'd expect the first rounder of the team he nominated, knowing that if he is OOC we don't have a leg to stand on
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In his draft year he refused to move interstate citing mental health and now he’s demanding to move to another Vic club because he’s outgrown the Dogs. Is this the most entitled bloke in the AFL? I would love for this trade to fall through and he gets picked by WC in the PSD.
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The highest Bailey Smth has finished in a B&F is 7th. Holmes just won our B&F by miles and was easily BOG in both finals until he was injured in the prelim. He's done more than Smith in his career.
But if he had a shit year in 2025, then did his ACL in 2026, was coming out of contract and said he wanted out we would probably get offered a single first rounder plus maybe a bit more. We'd stomp our feet, get annoyed and then accept the deal at the deadline because it's the best we're going to get.
I'd want more. Much more. But realistically I know we'd have no bargaining position
Don’t think the covid bubble was good for Bailey.. was completely different after 2020.
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Geelong fans keep claiming this as if
- Firstly, who it's immaterial to the contract that you're offering him. Geelong aren't not offering him a good contract on the basis of B&F results. In the context of trade negotiations, Dogs don't need to even discuss Smith's theoretical past or future output - they can simply represent that on the basis of the money both club are willing to pay him. Geelong are willing to make him about their third or fourth highest paid player. Going through it is already accounted for virtue of that fact.
- In any case, it's a selective reading of his player worth that's due to the vagaries of voting system and also being part of a very good team. No Dogs fan will dismiss the ACL or that his form took a gradual dip mid 2022 and then a sharper dip mid 2023. But at the same time pretending like he wasn't winning finals off his own boot and playing BOG or near BOG in finals at age 20, playing entire months where he was in the best 4-5 players in a win for every single game, etc. He could have easily been voted 4th or whatever. in a different voting system that didn't reward consistency as much. We count pre-season results in our B&F!!
- Even so, a 20/21 year old finishing 7th in the best and fairest in a good team as a young player, discounting the above, is still a good asset in terms of expectations of output as the player enters their mid 20's and early 20's. If you could guarantee that you could get a player that would finish 7th in your club's best and fairestin a finals-making team with a random pick 20 in the draft as a 20 year old, you take it and say that it was a successful draft pick (if anything, you would also take it with a top 10 pick, just highlighting how Geelong fans trying to talk down his value with selective stat's aren't even achieving that despite the fact that they are being selective in the first place
Not sure how/if this deal gets done. Smith was taken at pick 7 and has proved worthy of the pick. Obvious from the outset that he could play the game. Will be coming off a knee reco, but knee recos aren't the hit and miss injuries that they might have been even a decade or two ago.
I think his value is a top 10 pick. Can play the game and will only be 24 next season. Geelong are wanting a guy who still might play at the highest level for another 10 years.
Wouldn't mind the Cats to lowball the offer and Bulldogs to send him to the ND or PSD. Clubs need to take back a little bit of power. Sure, Smith might end up at a club that he doesn't want to be at, but there's no way he chooses to underperform. That's only going to hurt him and his value (next contract, marketing, sponsorship, etc). Ultimately he'll be getting the fresh start/new environment that he wants.
I think his value is a top 10 pick. Can play the game and will only be 24 next season. Geelong are wanting a guy who still might play at the highest level for another 10 years.
Wouldn't mind the Cats to lowball the offer and Bulldogs to send him to the ND or PSD. Clubs need to take back a little bit of power. Sure, Smith might end up at a club that he doesn't want to be at, but there's no way he chooses to underperform. That's only going to hurt him and his value (next contract, marketing, sponsorship, etc). Ultimately he'll be getting the fresh start/new environment that he wants.
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Can Geelong afford to let Smith fall through their grip? 8 players from their last game will be 30+ next year. They need talent now if they want to continue winning.
Pick 17* + F1 for Smith+ F2/3 is still unders for a player of Smiths quality.
Pick 17* + F1 for Smith+ F2/3 is still unders for a player of Smiths quality.
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Once a player cops an ACL injury, their market value is diminished. Can’t see the Cats offering much more than a first round for Bailey.
It’s not 2004, ACL recovery has come a remarkably long way.
Hearing the AFL wants to make the deal happen at relative low cost to Geelong,
They want bazlenka to turn into an AFL megastar and they believe its best done @ Corio Bay.
Reeks of Gaz to the Suns and Buddy to Sydney.
AFL only care about how much money can be made. Unfortunately it looks like the Doggies will lose out on this one.
They want bazlenka to turn into an AFL megastar and they believe its best done @ Corio Bay.
Reeks of Gaz to the Suns and Buddy to Sydney.
AFL only care about how much money can be made. Unfortunately it looks like the Doggies will lose out on this one.
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