Traded Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[adogsfan5]

we just use pick 17 on him in the draft

Hmm ok..

 

[Dale4captain]

Smith + 25 (CD deal) for 17 and cats F1.

 

[FootyLad0]

He didn't turn up to the meetings arranged by the club to talk about it.

Why ?

It’s widely ranged from the many times it’s been told but here is the thing we know is true…when he was leaving the Dogs he and his agent flag interest with the Cats.
Wells set up a meeting with all of the big rigs to give him a tour of the facilities and really sell Geelong to him.

Now this is where I’ve heard different versions.

1. He ghosted them after being fully on board and they basically didn’t know what happened until reports started coming out that he was signing with the Dons. He lead them on.

2. He was mega late, like hours late to his meeting and didn’t call ahead or anything to apologise. He just rocked up way late and by that point Wells basically gave him basic politeness but he was fuming and ended the meeting very quickly (and it’s really hard to piss off Stephen Wells)

3. Stringer had the meeting with Wells but he immediately knew it wasn’t a good fit and ended the meeting without going very in depth or doing a tour of the facilities.

By all accounts, Wells flagged interest and Stringer showed interest as well but something changed dramatically with Wells and since then it seems like Stringer was blacklisted. That’s why it was hilarious when someone tried to link him to the Cats however many weeks ago, we knew it was rubbish.

But anyway, it’s like the Hopper fiasco. Glad they chose elsewhere, those guys both saved us from overpaying two guys who would not have fit in well.

Smith it remains to be seen. Will he buy in to the Cats culture of team first footy? Lots of unrewarded running and checking your ego in Scotty’s gameplan. Hoping for our sake it works out and we get him back to his best.

 

[FootyLad0]

Smith + 25 (CD deal) for 17 and cats F1.

 

[4Seasons]

I thought it couldn’t get worse than Brisbane/Dunkley. Boy was I wrong.

Dunkley was way worse. We cried so hard we had to bring Dunkleys dad, brother, sister and girlfriend into it, and continue to cry 2 years later
At least with Smith we are only crying about Smith.
Hopefully we'll be able to move on this time.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Dogs made Smith hate football we just want what's best for Geelong Smith.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Depending where bids are projected you could probably get 31 from Brisbane or 32 from Essendon. 17 + 31 gets it done I reckon.

They would only do those trades on the night I think (when they know how many points they need) not now.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Smith + 25 (CD deal) for 17 and cats F1.

I thought Daniel was staying?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The constant statements by Geelong fans "we're not breaking any rules, we're just trying to trade for an out of contract player" is not entirely correct either.

If Smith was avaliable at the draft, had not nominated and was equally as motivated to play for every club - at least in theory that being available in the draft pool suggests - where would he be drafted?

It may not be a top 10 pick, but It would be a lot earlier than the pick 22 or whatever the Cats' pick ends up being.

By virtue of the very fact that every single one of the 10 or 12 picks before Geelong is discouraged to select Smith effectively amounts to rule-breaking tampering.

Yes, I'm aware that Luke Ball did it too. Didn't make it right either then. At at least it was better serving the purposes of equalisation (moving to a team that finished lower the previous season) than Smith trying to move to a team that finished higher.

No one says it's right we just say it's how the system works. You've yet to prove that it's not how the system works you just seem frustrated about the reality.

Players are never motivated to play for every club equally and the afl has allowed them and the player agents too much power to get away with it. Why would this case be any different from all the others?

 

[Pencil case]

I thought Daniel was staying?

That’s just negotiation. Ralph is reporting North are offering 25 (might be a pick swap) for CD. Slight overs perhaps but they really want him, and it sounds like a deal too good to refuse.

In which case, the deal may be done tomorrow.

 

[Pencil case]

Smith + 25 (CD deal) for 17 and cats F1.

I’d rather just keep 17, whatever pick Cats add on & 25 than do this.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You've yet to prove that it's not how the system works you just seem frustrated about the reality.

"the system works" is in theory a player being in the draft is following the rules of the draft and draftable by all teams - and there are rules in place for that.

Smith presumably has to actively nominate for the draft if trades fall through, and in doing so, agrees to the rules of the draft, which includes an obligation to be listed by the team that drafts him.

Players are never motivated to play for every club equally and the afl has allowed them and the player agents too much power to get away with it. Why would this case be any different from all the others?

Yes, which is not a good thing, both in the sense of fairness to clubs but also just the general aims of the AFL in its equalisation. That's the point.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Dogs made Smith hate football we just want what's best for Geelong Smith.

Won't someone think about the welfare of the Geelong football club player?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

No one says it's right we just say it's how the system works. You've yet to prove that it's not how the system works you just seem frustrated about the reality.

Players are never motivated to play for every club equally and the afl has allowed them and the player agents too much power to get away with it. Why would this case be any different from all the others?

If people want to talk about how things "should be" and point out flaws in the system, the actual fundamental flaw here is that Bailey Smith is an uncontracted player, but he still needs to be traded for. This is not the case in other professional sporting leagues. An unsigned player is a free agent and can walk to where he wants to go. That's really how it should be, but the AFL don't have the balls to do it.

Any unsigned player by trade period is a free agent and can freely walk (no lame comp system either). This forces clubs to either get players signed promptly, or to organise trades when they're still under contract as requested. All this jostling for a player who doesn't have a contract with their "current" club is really pretty illogical and ludicrous. Smith actually is not a Bulldogs player because he does not have a contract with them for next season.

I'm sure that in the future this is how the AFL will go as well. I'm sure the AFLPA will push hard for it given how frequently you get clubs holding players somewhere they don't want to be for another year on their contract, and still being hard-nosed pricks the following year when the player is no longer theirs.

 

[FightingFuryFrank]

This thread makes me grateful Richmond don't have any trades going on with Geelong.

Our mighty Tigers would get this done in a day or two tops

Ciao

 

[FightingFuryFrank]

Young Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

will end up at the Preseason Draft with my lovely Tigers taking him at Pick 1.

Ciao

 

[FB19]

Richmond will have a million picks before the cats pick 17 it’s a no brainer to take him and he’s exactly what they need.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Richmond will have a million picks before the cats pick 17 it’s a no brainer to take him and he’s exactly what they need.

Definitely. They will have the cap space to match any contract Smith places. He is the right age bracket, they know what they will get with him, compared to the unknown for a random draftee. Will have like 4 or 5 picks before the Cats too. Surprised at the level of confidence he will just walk through to pick 17.

 

[Ugene41]

If people want to talk about how things "should be" and point out flaws in the system, the actual fundamental flaw here is that Bailey Smith is an uncontracted player, but he still needs to be traded for. This is not the case in other professional sporting leagues. An unsigned player is a free agent and can walk to where he wants to go. That's really how it should be, but the AFL don't have the balls to do it.

Any unsigned player by trade period is a free agent and can freely walk (no lame comp system either). This forces clubs to either get players signed promptly, or to organise trades when they're still under contract as requested. All this jostling for a player who doesn't have a contract with their "current" club is really pretty illogical and ludicrous. Smith actually is not a Bulldogs player because he does not have a contract with them for next season.

I'm sure that in the future this is how the AFL will go as well. I'm sure the AFLPA will push hard for it given how frequently you get clubs holding players somewhere they don't want to be for another year on their contract, and still being hard-nosed pricks the following year when the player is no longer theirs.

Coupled with that though clubs need to be able to trade contracted players wherever they want and to the highest bidder.

 

[HairyO]

Richmond will have a million picks before the cats pick 17 it’s a no brainer to take him and he’s exactly what they need.

Carlton have 2 picks before Geelong as well. If they dont get Houston (which seems very unlikely) for sure you'd use one of them on Smith. Would be crazy not to.

The idea that Smith slips to pick 17 is nuts. Even bottom 4 teams dont use the draft threat.

Cats should just pony up a simiilar offer to what they demanded for Tim Kelly who wanted to go home for family/medical reasons.

Smith just wants more of his family to get Cotton On jobs. Nothing personal or medical about it.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

It’s widely ranged from the many times it’s been told but here is the thing we know is true…when he was leaving the Dogs he and his agent flag interest with the Cats.
Wells set up a meeting with all of the big rigs to give him a tour of the facilities and really sell Geelong to him.

Now this is where I’ve heard different versions.

1. He ghosted them after being fully on board and they basically didn’t know what happened until reports started coming out that he was signing with the Dons. He lead them on.

2. He was mega late, like hours late to his meeting and didn’t call ahead or anything to apologise. He just rocked up way late and by that point Wells basically gave him basic politeness but he was fuming and ended the meeting very quickly (and it’s really hard to piss off Stephen Wells)

3. Stringer had the meeting with Wells but he immediately knew it wasn’t a good fit and ended the meeting without going very in depth or doing a tour of the facilities.

By all accounts, Wells flagged interest and Stringer showed interest as well but something changed dramatically with Wells and since then it seems like Stringer was blacklisted. That’s why it was hilarious when someone tried to link him to the Cats however many weeks ago, we knew it was rubbish.

But anyway, it’s like the Hopper fiasco. Glad they chose elsewhere, those guys both saved us from overpaying two guys who would not have fit in well.

Smith it remains to be seen. Will he buy in to the Cats culture of team first footy? Lots of unrewarded running and checking your ego in Scotty’s gameplan. Hoping for our sake it works out and we get him back to his best.

My understanding was he met with Wells and later that day or the next day was supposed to meet with the Cotton On guy. Stringer no showed and that was it. Geelong publically withdrew interest leaving Essendon as the only interested party

 

[Sirlemsip]

Cats should just pony up a similar offer to what they demanded for Tim Kelly who wanted to go home for family/medical reasons.

Cats supporters want people to just forget that trade...

The Kelly trade was:

• Geelong: Kelly, Pick 52, F3
• WC: Pick 14, Pick 24, Pick 37 and F1

This equated Kelly's value at Pick 2

The only significant difference between Kelly and Smith is that Smith is coming off the year out with an ACL.
Both uncontracted.
Both with a six-year deal waiting at their new club.
Smith is 23. Kelly was 26, but definitely had another 6 years left at the top level, particularly as he was a late starter.

It is crazy that Geelong think pick 17 alone is a 'fair deal'.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

If people want to talk about how things "should be" and point out flaws in the system, the actual fundamental flaw here is that Bailey Smith is an uncontracted player, but he still needs to be traded for. This is not the case in other professional sporting leagues. An unsigned player is a free agent and can walk to where he wants to go. That's really how it should be, but the AFL don't have the balls to do it.

Any unsigned player by trade period is a free agent and can freely walk (no lame comp system either). This forces clubs to either get players signed promptly, or to organise trades when they're still under contract as requested. All this jostling for a player who doesn't have a contract with their "current" club is really pretty illogical and ludicrous. Smith actually is not a Bulldogs player because he does not have a contract with them for next season.

I'm sure that in the future this is how the AFL will go as well. I'm sure the AFLPA will push hard for it given how frequently you get clubs holding players somewhere they don't want to be for another year on their contract, and still being hard-nosed pricks the following year when the player is no longer theirs.

Not exactly true. the NFL and NBA have restricted free agency as well. Under those models, Smith would be a restriced free agent as the Dogs have offered him a contract. He would only be able to get to Geelong if the Dogs didnt match Geelong's contract offer, or he could be traded to Geelong

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If people want to talk about how things "should be" and point out flaws in the system, the actual fundamental flaw here is that Bailey Smith is an uncontracted player, but he still needs to be traded for. This is not the case in other professional sporting leagues. An unsigned player is a free agent and can walk to where he wants to go. That's really how it should be, but the AFL don't have the balls to do it.

Any unsigned player by trade period is a free agent and can freely walk (no lame comp system either). This forces clubs to either get players signed promptly, or to organise trades when they're still under contract as requested. All this jostling for a player who doesn't have a contract with their "current" club is really pretty illogical and ludicrous. Smith actually is not a Bulldogs player because he does not have a contract with them for next season.

I'm sure that in the future this is how the AFL will go as well. I'm sure the AFLPA will push hard for it given how frequently you get clubs holding players somewhere they don't want to be for another year on their contract, and still being hard-nosed pricks the following year when the player is no longer theirs.

This isnt true at all

With Bailey Smiths level of service he would be a restricted free agent where Bulldogs could match Geelongs salary offer... which they would... which means Bailey Smith would either play AFL for the Western Bulldogs or stack groceries at Aldi

 

[MisterMarcus]

Cats supporters want people to just forget that trade...

The Kelly trade was:

• Geelong: Kelly, Pick 52, F3
• WC: Pick 14, Pick 24, Pick 37 and F1

This equated Kelly's value at Pick 2

The only significant difference between Kelly and Smith is that Smith is coming off the year out with an ACL.
Both uncontracted.
Both with a six-year deal waiting at their new club.
Smith is 23. Kelly was 26, but definitely had another 6 years left at the top level, particularly as he was a late starter.

It is crazy that Geelong think pick 17 alone is a 'fair deal'.

Apart from the fact Kelly was coming off a career-best season, and Smith is at arguably his lowest point (mediocre 2023 and missed all of 2024), yeah they're exactly the same.