Mega Thread BH Project 2015 VI - Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[Nostradumbass]

Interesting stats, Edwards consistently poor and is an inside mid, next final he should be sub at best. I think 3 opportunities to prove himself should be enough. The dilemma is that he plays some good games during the season but games are won and lost in the midfield and we need better from him and Ellis in particular.

no sub next year

 

[MJ_23]

So shit they manage to beat us every ******* time.

Yeah I know frustrating...must be like how the Hawks feel when they play us...although they don't give a shit right now do they?

 

[Concatenate]

no sub next year

Another reason that should see Ellis' output become more valuable al

 

[MJ_23]

Not sure Ellis is a better player than Tyson.

Ellis is limited to being Brent Stanton type. Tyson is inside and out.

I like Brando he racks em up but is nowhere near damaging enough with his possessions. Not sure I'd like to see him traded Tyson or not. I'd trade Conca plus a pick for Tyson though

 

[Groupie_]

We're trading ellis cos we have too many ellises

and ellis yoyoman coming

 

[_Cayz_]

I'd be pretty disappointed if we traded Ellis, he gives everything week in, week out. One of my favourites.

 

[Boob_Radley]

I thought groupie was a woman

Go figure.....

Groupie blurs conventional boundaries.

 

[Stigmata]

Groupie blurs conventional boundaries.

I thought you were from Iran

 

[Tiges1229]

Richmond big footy poster selfie , waiting for the BIG FISH announcement .

 

[Tigerish09]

no sub next year

I forgot that, in that case maybe he should miss, will depend on whether we have anyone better who can handle the heat during a final.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Moore linked a couple of years ago , wouldn't surprise me with the tagger role in mind.

Hardwick tends not to tag, though. If he did, I'd want KMac doing it. Not against Moore on the cheap, but not convinced he's anything more than a flanker either.

Cyril like dare I say it, kid is a freak

Not in the same class, but talented.

Brandon Ellis swap for Dom Tyson

I'd do it.

Why not throw in dusty , lids , cotchin , rance and Jack .

Because they're better and we wouldn't need to.

yeah lets trade the better player to Melbourne. we want midfield depth not giving it away

Tyson is better than Brando.

Ellis is a gutrunning workhorse that breaks games open for us and is capable kicking goals through sheer work rate. Covers so much ground and is the link between our defence and forward. He also kicks more goals and is way more durable than Tyson.

Ellis Highlights in 2015:

26 disps (16 kicks 10 hballs), 5 marks and a goal in Rd 23 41-pt win over North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium (4 Sep 2015)

31 disps (20 kicks 11 hballs), 10 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 21 91-pt win over Collingwood at the MCG (22 Aug 2015)

29 disps (18 kicks 11 hballs), 8 marks and a goal in Rd 20 83-pt win over Gold Coast at the MCG (16 Aug 2015)

27 disps (16 kicks 11 hballs), 6 marks and 5 tackles in Rd 18 18-pt win over Hawthorn at the MCG (31 Jul 2015)

31 disps (18 kicks 13 hballs) and 10 marks in Rd 17 4-pt loss to Fremantle at the MCG (25 Jul 2015)

31 disps (18 kicks 13 hballs) and 11 marks in Rd 12 20-pt loss to West Coast at the MCG (19 Jun 2015)

33 disps (17 kicks 16 hballs) and 8 marks in Rd 9 13-pt win over Essendon at the MCG (30 May 2015)

31 disps (20 kicks 11 hballs), 7 marks and a goal in Rd 8 33-pt win over Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval (24 May 2015)

29 disps (16 kicks 13 hballs), 8 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 7 5-pt win over Collingwood at the MCG (17 May 2015)

26 disps (15 kicks 11 hballs), 9 marks and 7 tackles in Rd 1 27-pt win over Carlton at the MCG (2 Apr 2015)

Tyson didn't have a game where he had over 26 touches.

Stats, schmats. Outside runner is the junior role in the team, that's why we gave it to KMac. Brando is a very good player but we need the inside presence that Tyson would give us. Cotchin and Miles were the only Tigers to average more contested possessions than Tyson in 2014, when he turned 21 halfway through the year.

Need to add talent not deplete.. Tyson would be a good get but I find it hard to believe hes available

While I agree we want to hang on to all the talent we can, you have to give to get, and we can cover Brando easier than we can acquire a gun inside mid, which is what Tyson is. Brando is a great runner, but he's not quick, and he's an average finisher. If we swap him for Tyson, maybe Houli plays wing. One day Menadue will, or Drummond - both outstanding runners, both quicker than Brando, and Menadue certainly a better finisher.

Where's all this talk about Dom Tyson come from? spud of the highest order really

No, he's a gun.

Ellis effective disposals per game: 18.8
Tyson effective disposals per game: 15.2

Ellis effective disposals per game (%): 72.9%
Tyson effective disposals per game (%): 70%

Ellis clangers per game: 2.9
Tyson clangers per game: 3.5

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=3653&tid2=12&pid2=3641&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Brando gets the ball mostly in wide open space, Tyson in crowded phone boxes.

Left field idea with no sauce or basis but an idea re doozy.
What if our coaching staff/club were informed that hale/lake were retiring and that the doozy is from hawthorn and they maybe willing to look at the astbury and first rnd pick for such doozy?
Hence pulling out of the Bennel deal and putting our cards on the table for Hawks?
Astbury would help fill a need for them and would see Hawks also rejuvenate their list while still remaining in premiership window?
Just a thought/conspiracy theory

Hawthorn would want Beanie or Griff, and they can't have em!

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These are the stat sheets from the 3 finals
I would look at trading out those that have consistent poor finals games.

Doesn't look good for Shane Edwards.

Unfair on Ellis to say he needs to be traded because he is poor in finals.

Don't forget Ellis is an outside mid. Outside mids rely on the ball being distributed to them by inside mids and when the inside isn't winning the ball, the outside players don't get it, hence why Ellis' numbers have been down in finals

It's not unfair at all. You can't excuse a player's lack of impact with, "Oh, his teammates didn't get the ball to him". Win your own ball is one of Dimma's mantras. Anyway, Ellis out for Tyson would strengthen our inside mids' ability to get it out to the outsiders.

I would rather keep Brando, and I think you do have to be careful trading such good clubmen, but on a purely football sense, Tyson in, Brando out, strengthens the 22 on the field.

Griffiths not worth pick 18

If we agreed to trade him to Hawthorn, they would throw pick 18 at us so fast we'd get windburn.

 

[ize_]

Tyson is a great inside/outside prospect who's had one very good season at the level. But he's 186cm and 80kg, certainly not the inside beast we lack. I've stood next to him in person a few times and have been surprised at how physically unimposing he was for an AFL player. Don't get me wrong, he'd be a great addition and you can never have too much class. But he's certainly not the answer to our inside mid issue.

 

[_Cayz_]

Doesn't look good for Shane Edwards.

Dud delist.

Enjoyed your multi-quote, it's been a while!

 

[richoatthedisco]

Dud delist.

Enjoyed your multi-quote, it's been a while!

Ta.

The stats don't look good for Sheds but there's been plenty of players who have struggled in their initial finals. How about next year let's give our blokes at least two to adjust to the pace!

 

[richoatthedisco]

Tyson is a great inside/outside prospect who's had one very good season at the level. But he's 186cm and 80kg, certainly not the inside beast we lack. I've stood next to him in person a few times and have been surprised at how physically unimposing he was for an AFL player. Don't get me wrong, he'd be a great addition and you can never have too much class. But he's certainly not the answer to our inside mid issue.

I think you'd find that with a lot of AFL players, Ize. They're all slighter than you think they are on account of the running they have to do. Look at Hodge and Lewis, much slimmer than they used to be.

Tyson would aid our inside issues plenty. He's bigger than our two current best insiders- Cotch and Miles. If you can get first hands on it and use it well, you don't necessarily have to be a beast. Chuck KMac in for beast input.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

Ta.

The stats don't look good for Sheds but there's been plenty of players who have struggled in their initial finals. How about next year let's give our blokes at least two to adjust to the pace!

he was also a bit undercooked after his broken leg. This was easily his best year though so hard to say how he could've gone

 

[nufan_tigers]

I remember watching Brando on game day and him saying he wants to break into the middle a bit more was just hard with snipper, cotch, Grigga and Dusty already there. He is a good size and would make a great inside mid

 

[MJ_23]

Hardwick tends not to tag, though. If he did, I'd want KMac doing it. Not against Moore on the cheap, but not convinced he's anything more than a flanker either.


Not in the same class, but talented.


I'd do it.


Because they're better and we wouldn't need to.


Tyson is better than Brando.


Stats, schmats. Outside runner is the junior role in the team, that's why we gave it to KMac. Brando is a very good player but we need the inside presence that Tyson would give us. Cotchin and Miles were the only Tigers to average more contested possessions than Tyson in 2014, when he turned 21 halfway through the year.


While I agree we want to hang on to all the talent we can, you have to give to get, and we can cover Brando easier than we can acquire a gun inside mid, which is what Tyson is. Brando is a great runner, but he's not quick, and he's an average finisher. If we swap him for Tyson, maybe Houli plays wing. One day Menadue will, or Drummond - both outstanding runners, both quicker than Brando, and Menadue certainly a better finisher.


No, he's a gun.


Brando gets the ball mostly in wide open space, Tyson in crowded phone boxes.


Hawthorn would want Beanie or Griff, and they can't have em!


Doesn't look good for Shane Edwards.


It's not unfair at all. You can't excuse a player's lack of impact with, "Oh, his teammates didn't get the ball to him". Win your own ball is one of Dimma's mantras. Anyway, Ellis out for Tyson would strengthen our inside mids' ability to get it out to the outsiders.

I would rather keep Brando, and I think you do have to be careful trading such good clubmen, but on a purely football sense, Tyson in, Brando out, strengthens the 22 on the field.


If we agreed to trade him to Hawthorn, they would throw pick 18 at us so fast we'd get windburn.

TL;DR except for my bit. To be fair to Ah Chee and for Cyril for that matter, Cyril wasn't in Cyril's class before he was drafted either. I said he was Cyril like i.e. he has some Cyril attributes...and he's taller. Would be a good get.

 

[_Cayz_]

Ta.

The stats don't look good for Sheds but there's been plenty of players who have struggled in their initial finals. How about next year let's give our blokes at least two to adjust to the pace!

Yeah, i don't really understand why we fall to pieces in finals. Lets finish top 4 next year and at least play 2. Although imagine going out in straight sets... .

Obviously i don't think we should delist sheds, but as you rightly said, his finals stats don't look good at all. Just not sure how you work on fixing that.

 

[CotchIsKing]

Griffiths not worth pick 18

Neither is Yarran!

 

[fightingfury_88]

Why do we only have Pick 15?

I think because she has Mills and Hopper being selected as academy prospects before our pick 12, it effectively bumps our pick down to 15.

 

[Stigmata]

So right now we look like we are losing Lennon for at best Yarran

Ellis for Tyson which means nothing in terms of FA.

Did not get Bennell or Treloar

Dawson Simpson will take his place in the pantheon of log like Richmond ruckmen

We will not make finals next year

 

[the push up king]

hmmmm...... slow day today. I spose it wasnt humanly possible to keep the recent pace up!!i

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Neither is Yarran!

 

[Blinger]

Yeah, i don't really understand why we fall to pieces in finals. Lets finish top 4 next year and at least play 2. Although imagine going out in straight sets... .

Obviously i don't think we should delist sheds, but as you rightly said, his finals stats don't look good at all. Just not sure how you work on fixing that.

Pressure is the answer, we fold under pressure. When we are given space & time, we look very good. When teams decide to bring real pressure, we seem to panic. That is our biggest hurdle, we need players that have composure & good disposal under pressure. Whether our current group can take the next step is anyone's guess.