Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[Blue__Balls]

Yeah, nah.
They can walk Dow, there’s no leverage.
It’s 2 different players with different back stories.
What u are saying make perfect sense, just doesn’t mean that’s the way it works.

If they can walk Dow, WB can walk Coffield...St Kilda can't pick them both up in the PSD.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Yep, only played his first senior game round 19, last year!

Put up some very decent numbers first handful of games...

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He was great in that Hawks game. Also was great in the VFL last year. I watched him a fair few times and found is odd it took him so long to get picked.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Yeah, nah.
They can walk Dow, there’s no leverage.
It’s 2 different players with different back stories.
What u are saying make perfect sense, just doesn’t mean that’s the way it works.

There actually is leverage.

Firstly, Paddy potentially ends up at another club if he chooses the PSD option. Secondly, Saints would be forced to pay overs to try and deter another club from picking him. Thirdly, Carlton put a 1 year offer in front to him, so there's a fall back position rather than the PSD option if negotiations fail.

Having said all that, it sounds like the deal has been done.

 

[HarryFlashman]

what's the difference in leverage on Coffield?

No idea, haven’t been following Coffield.
Two different players, three different clubs, every trade is its own thing.
Yes u can package them, still doesn’t make them the same.
Each trade has its own nuances.

 

[Arr0w]

Good luck SOS trying to get Dow in PSD

 

[CJMB]

No idea, haven’t been following Coffield.
Two different players, three different clubs, every trade is its own thing.
Yes u can package them, still doesn’t make them the same.
Each trade has its own nuances.

ok, but don't get why Stk can walk Dow but WBD can't walk Coffield?

I'm not suggesting it's a perfect player-player-pick three club trade or anything like that, but surely these two are fairly comparable. Early pick, upwards of 50 games, both play positions that aren't currently valued particularly highly (ie compared to key positions or the 'perfect' inside/outside goal kicking mids that have a tank), although Coffield's got the injury history while Dow's been relatively lucky in that regard.

 

[HarryFlashman]

There actually is leverage.

Firstly, Paddy potentially ends up at another club if he chooses the PSD option. Secondly, Saints would be forced to pay overs to try and deter another club from picking him. Thirdly, Carlton put a 1 year offer in front to him, so there's a fall back position rather than the PSD option if negotiations fail.

Having said all that, it sounds like the deal has been done.

That’s was discussed and answered earlier in the thread.
There is very little leverage at play.
Personally I think it’s posturing/tactics for SOS to get 40 - he eventually gives us 56 but we kick in 70 to WB - or something like that
It’s bloody hard to know exactly how anything plays out without knowing how many list spots everyone has, point considerations, need for futures etc.

 

[HarryFlashman]

ok, but don't get why Stk can walk Dow but WBD can't walk Coffield?

I'm not suggesting it's a perfect player-player-pick three club trade or anything like that, but surely these two are fairly comparable. Early pick, upwards of 50 games, both play positions that aren't currently valued particularly highly (ie compared to key positions or the 'perfect' inside/outside goal kicking mids that have a tank), although Coffield's got the injury history while Dow's been relatively lucky in that regard.

No idea, don’t know the Coffield story at all. I do know he’s likely to go for a better pick than Dow.
Possibly WB could do that - as I keep saying - each deal is its own separate thing.
You wash up player v player after the deal, not before.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

SOS is an absolute clown if he's going to jeopardise getting Dow through the door for the sake of getting back at his old club. Hope he gets walked to the PSD and taken by another club that actually want him

 

[skadoosh]

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Honestly, I do my best to stay out of this rubbosh as best I can. It's not what I've heard and so far from what one of his current teammates has told me of him that I don't believe it.

Saying that, he wouldn't be the first Suns player to get caught up in that GC party lifestyle and yo subsequently turn it around when he leaves.

Furthermore, I would argue that to our football club is being built on adding quality people who have important values and principles close to their heart and that if Elijah wasn't a great person we'd not be getting him regardless of who his brother is or what his teammates say about him.

I was just responding to what's been eluded to here by a couple of posters, indicating why his value has dropped, which is what makes him good value.
He wouldn't be the first young footballer to enjoy partying and that's not exactly rubbishing anybody.
Did mention that a new environment is exactly what he needs.

 

[RattAttack]

The Jon Ralph article makes some sense.

If we swapped pick 26 for their pick 38, that provides the Suns with extra points (264 pts) for their 2023 selections.

We retain two second round selections, keep our futures and it values Hollands at around pick 51.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Would we do this:



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[Stamos]

Would we do this:

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No, he's not worth wiping both our picks.

 

[carlton_99]

Would we do this:

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Hard to hit the draft with just 32 and 36. Would also make it almost impossible to move up to 8 as rumoured.

 

[Wickzki]

I was just responding to what's been eluded to here by a couple of posters, indicating why his value has dropped, which is what makes him good value.
He wouldn't be the first young footballer to enjoy partying and that's not exactly rubbishing anybody.
Did mention that a new environment is exactly what he needs.

I believe he will do well. Was "mentored" by one of their best this past 12 to 18 months and as has been posted by others really started to turn his training performances around this year.

The Suns just weren't a good environment for any player who wasn't an uber professional and that's a huge reason why Dew is gone and what they're hoping Dimma will finally change for them.

Expecting "he trained the house down" reports over the summer and preseason.

 

[carlton_99]

 

[Blue and Silver]

No, he's not worth wiping both our picks.

Both picks will come in pretty significantly as you can count on GC's picks in the 20's getting wiped.

Could be as many as 5 picks higher so it's a smaller slide than it looks

 

[Arr0w]

Would we do this:

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I wouldn't do that deal, wipe out 1 pick I could live with, not both

 

[Stamos]

Both picks will come in pretty significantly as you can count on GC's picks in the 20's getting wiped.

Could be as many as 5 picks higher so it's a smaller slide than it looks

Still not worth it in this draft.

 

[Wickzki]

I'll say this for the Suns under previous coaches and it may provide some context with why they've struggled since they came into the league.

They were one of the few - maybe only club - in the competition who didn't actively encourage player mentoring by the older and more experienced or better players to the younger players

It was left to the mature players to take a kid under their wing.

Is it any surprise then that we constant hear about all of these players loaded with potential who struggle to learn professionalism and hard training practices, etc ?

When the vets do take a younger player on they usually begin to thrive. Flanders got taken on this year as did Elijah Rowell - an absolute training machine - worked closely with Humphrey. All of it on the player's own back

Contrast this with how we've gotten our development system running where not only are they coached right but the players work closely with one another and it's no surprise that our development is firing and so many of their players have struggled.

 

[Arr0w]

Both picks will come in pretty significantly as you can count on GC's picks in the 20's getting wiped.

Could be as many as 5 picks higher so it's a smaller slide than it looks

Only comes in 1 pick with the +/- s

 

[ferrisb]

I've worked professionally as a negotiator and it's just an ego thing with a lot of guys.

I've got two kids, so I've kinda worked as a professional negotiator...

 

[Arr0w]

I've got two kids, so I've kinda worked as a professional negotiator...

Don't think using a dungeon and shackles counts

 

[GT619]