Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[I bleed Blue]

I think we need to have a BF Carlton board retreat at Camp Curnow.

And we all get these shirts

 

[thylacine60]

I read social media criticisms about my performances, now I'm gonna win the premiership with my team-mates - thanks, social media & supporter abuse!

 

[Aphrodite]

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[JoeyPBLUES]

I read social media criticisms about my performances, now I'm gonna win the premiership with my team-mates - thanks, social media & supporter abuse!

I can't wait until a bunch of entitled pieces of s*** come to my workplace & spit on and abuse me then call every radio station crying like I owe them something...it's gonna be amazing!!!

 

[bigblueboy]

I dont think I ever went overly hard at Dow, or personal.

I'll happily admit I never really rated him though and still don't.

Not sure a guy getting starts as a 7th/8th string midfielder is anything to claim "I told you so" about.

It's harsh as he seems to be a really good kid but he'll be back to the VFL as soon as we get healthy.

Despite what has been posted recently regarding his contract, I doubt he will be at the club next year. I think we are offering him a contract primarily to increase our leverage in the trade period.
If he stays you can't argue its a bad outcome given his propensity to improve and his standing among his teammates. But he'll still struggle for games.

 

[PattyCr1pps]

dow to be offered new 2-3 year deal

Good to have you back

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Reckon Gresham would struggle to get a game in our current set up, def not worth the money that's being thrown around in the media

Gresham would be given games, that's what newly traded in players expect.
But at what cost and benefit to a strong list, contending for this years flag?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Despite what has been posted recently regarding his contract, I doubt he will be at the club next year. I think we are offering him a contract primarily to increase our leverage in the trade period.
If he stays you can't argue its a bad outcome given his propensity to improve and his standing among his teammates. But he'll still struggle for games.

But Ed's not getting 16 games next year to hold Dow back.

 

[bigblueboy]

Unlimited category B rookies? That's news to me, but ok!

Flanders seems to be if we have to go through medical releases with some players, or wind up losing a few too many mids all at once. He's talented, but with his pace and kicking depth I'm not sure he improves the senior mix in 2024/25.

Gresham pushes out one of Motlop (who needs to develop himself as a mid) and Cottrell (who needs to hit passes while running).

What about Elijah Hollands? Point of difference forward/mid ... Gold Coast need picks ...
His brother goes pretty well.

 

[bigblueboy]

But Ed's not getting 16 games next year to hold Dow back.

I don't think Ed is holding him back.

 

[The Bighouse]

Reckon Gresham would struggle to get a game in our current set up, def not worth the money that's being thrown around in the media

How much $$??

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I don't think Ed is holding him back.

It's certainly not a fit Walsh and Cerra. I believe hypothetically, if Ed wasn't selected, then Dow would be the next logical choice.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Peace
Please
People.
Go Blues.
Go Dow
Go Curnow Camp
Whatever!
Let's look forward
Together.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

How much $$??

Reportedly “750 a season” you know the figure they throw around when they’ve got no clue. For someone that would legitimately add nothing to our team

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Gresham would be given games, that's what newly traded in players expect.
But at what cost and benefit to a strong list, contending for this years flag?

I think you’re right. The issue is OK say we get him in we’d have to dump a couple younger blokes off the list the same type that play his position. He’d be given a block of 4-5 games to play our way. We then realise he can’t. Then we wish we still had those younger blokes on our list who have proven they can already this season. Can’t see us making this mistake for a bloke that’ll wind up in our reserves team for most of the season.

 

[bigblueboy]

It's certainly not a fit Walsh and Cerra. I believe hypothetically, if Ed wasn't selected, then Dow would be the next logical choice.

I'll take a stab at the midfield selection priority with all fit ...
Cripps
Cerra
Walsh
Hewett
Kennedy
Docherty
Dow

In finals, I think we will roll with the first 4 + the more flexible Docherty playing wing/half back. And probably a mid as a sub. Still doesn't get Dow a game and Ed C still nowhere to be seen.
As we've seen recently, injuries create opportunities and Dow has performed well in patches.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Gresham very underrated. Having an average year but still a good player.

If it is not him I hope we still look to bolster our HFF. A very injury prone bunch. It’s all going well at the moment but it’s easy to forget how badly exposed we were in that area of the ground in the first half of the season.

We could just retain Fish and get him back to that 2022 form, then I’d be confident.

 

[Forty3]

I think we need to have a BF Carlton board retreat at Camp Curnow.

Curnow the Clown will be on vacation though and the retreat will be run by Mr Black

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I'll take a stab at the midfield selection priority with all fit ...
Cripps
Cerra
Walsh
Hewett
Kennedy
Docherty
Dow

In finals, I think we will roll with the first 4 + the more flexible Docherty playing wing/half back. And probably a mid as a sub. Still doesn't get Dow a game and Ed C still nowhere to be seen.
As we've seen recently, injuries create opportunities and Dow has performed well in patches.

There's a few big bodied slow ones there and I think your post suggested that Dow, who will only improve with AFL exposure in a good, fast team was unlikely to get games next year?(there's no reason to believe that a few of those names, who are less durable than Paddy won't lose more games to injury in 2024).

 

[Pablito]

Gresham very underrated. Having an average year but still a good player.

If it is not him I hope we still look to bolster our HFF. A very injury prone bunch. It’s all going well at the moment but it’s easy to forget how badly exposed we were in that area of the ground in the first half of the season.

We could just retain Fish and get him back to that 2022 form, then I’d be confident.

100% agree.

At his best he's getting 20+ touches, 3 tackles and a goal a game playing high half forward.

He just needs to clean up his kicking a bit and hes and elite player.

 

[gab213]

There's a few big bodied slow ones there and I think your post suggested that Dow, who will only improve with AFL exposure in a good, fast team was unlikely to get games next year?(there's no reason to believe that a few of those names, who are less durable than Paddy won't lose more games to injury in 2024).

This is the problem though, as much as we all love what he's doing at the moment if he stays next year it could turn out to be on the basis of basically being injury cover when others are unavailable. If his aim is to play regularly at the AFL level, he may just need to seek out a new club. Nobody could begrudge him that and at the end of the day it's nobody's 'fault', it's just the reality of the situation.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I'll take a stab at the midfield selection priority with all fit ...
Cripps
Cerra
Walsh
Hewett
Kennedy
Docherty
Dow

In finals, I think we will roll with the first 4 + the more flexible Docherty playing wing/half back. And probably a mid as a sub. Still doesn't get Dow a game and Ed C still nowhere to be seen.
As we've seen recently, injuries create opportunities and Dow has performed well in patches.

It's an interesting debate.
I can easily see Dow and Kennedy being interchangeable. They both offer slightly different things. Kennedy is fairly one paced in the middle and doesn't offer much more than what Cripps, Hewett and Cerra do in the middle, but he's decent when floating forward. Strong contested mark and a pretty good shot for goal.
Dow offers burst speed at stoppages. He can break lines and has really fast hands. Not as good forward, but loves to kick one on the run from 40-50m.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It's an interesting debate.
I can easily see Dow and Kennedy being interchangeable. They both offer slightly different things. Kennedy is fairly one paced in the middle and doesn't offer much more than what Cripps, Hewett and Cerra do in the middle, but he's decent when floating forward. Strong contested mark and a pretty good shot for goal.
Dow offers burst speed at stoppages. He can break lines and has really fast hands. Not as good forward, but loves to kick one on the run from 40-50m.

I'd be happy with Kennedy or Dow as sub, and take the risk of introducing the sub into the game earlier than late in the 3rd. quarter(which seems to be the trend).
Drop Pitto or an under performing forward/mid for fresh legs sooner?(risk/reward thing)

 

[Azzurro]

No idea how it is debatable - Kennedy has proven he's a walk up start according to Voss and the MC.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

100% agree.

At his best he's getting 20+ touches, 3 tackles and a goal a game playing high half forward.

He just needs to clean up his kicking a bit and hes and elite player.

I have said a few times it would be a great chance to buy low and back in our culture to get a talented player back to his best. It is clear he does not enjoy footy under Lyon and has had one eye on the door for a while.

Understand why others would be hesitant due to his form, and that we already have a few quality smalls on the list, but he is a versatile player. Capable as the 5th midfielder, a high half forward, or a forward pocket.

I expect many clubs to be interested in him. As a freebie it looks like a good move imo.