Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[Arr0w]

Decent numbers.

Taken before his ACL, but wouldn't say he was quick

Does know how to find the pill

 

[Blue By Blood]

Taken before his ACL, but wouldn't say he was quick

Does know how to find the pill

Anything over 3 for the 20m isn’t considered quick but 3.05 isn’t rubbish by any means. I must admit I haven’t watched a heap of Elijah footage but he does seem to have good bordering on excellent game awareness and the ability to read the flow of the game meaning he’s able make good position to find the ball and impact. Definitely has an x-factor about him. Gives me a lot of Cuningham (who I’m a big fan of) vibes but with a better game awareness. All for picking him up if it fits in with our plans as I think he could develop into a type we sorely lack.

 

[Arr0w]

Anything over 3 for the 20m isn’t considered quick but 3.05 isn’t rubbish by any means. I must admit I haven’t watched a heap of Elijah footage but he does seem to have good bordering on excellent game awareness and the ability to read the flow of the game meaning he’s able make good position to find the ball and impact. Definitely has an x-factor about him. Gives me a lot of Cuningham (who I’m a big fan of) vibes but with a better game awareness. All for picking him up if it fits in with our plans as I think he could develop into a type we sorely lack.

Putting that into some context, Cerra's 20 metre sprint time was the same, so definitely not quick

Hollands strengths are that he reads the play well, generally composed, wins his own footy, penetrating kick, to me he is a good link player, but lacks the xfactor when considering our needs

At the right price, a decent pick up

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Are you guys saying that running 20m in 3.05 seconds is slow? Or am I reading this wrong? How long should it take????

 

[Coona Blues]

Putting that into some context, Cerra's 20 metre sprint time was the same, so definitely not quick

Hollands strengths are that he reads the play well, generally composed, wins his own footy, penetrating kick, to me he is a good link player, but lacks the xfactor when considering our needs

At the right price, a decent pick up

In context, EH has superb game sense and skills. He is a far more bankable prospect (IMO) than any similar player likely to be available with our first pick in the National draft. Has the profile to potentially be a significant contributor forward of centre immediately, while having the scope to become a damaging mid in coming years, or as an ongoing pinch hitter.

With Voss seemingly set on the brutal, bash and crash game plan, I see a distinct possibility of stocking up on hybrid types who have clear positions outside of the centre square, but are equally at home doing their share of heavy lifting. I fear Vossy’s game style is too physically taxing on individuals in the midfield over a 25 plus game season. Building a model with ten real contributors, rather than a handful, may make it a genuine possibility.

 

[Arr0w]

Are you guys saying that running 20m in 3.05 seconds is slow? Or am I reading this wrong? How long should it take????

Certainly slower than many within the game, but not the be all end all

 

[Wickzki]

Are you guys saying that running 20m in 3.05 seconds is slow? Or am I reading this wrong? How long should it take????

To give you some indication rather than just an opinion is about 20 to 30 players drafted every year in the ND who come into the AFL having produced a sub 3.0 20m sprint with the fastest usually going at around 2.8.

That's before they have entered the uber professional environment of the AFL where clubs can mould players and develop bodies into what they need to be years into their career. So you can imagine some players would improve on that somewhat.

3.0 isn't fast. It's likely to be in the mid to lower range. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe clubs readily provide current results after players enter the system.

 

[Coona Blues]

To give you some indication rather than just an opinion is about 20 to 30 players drafted every year in the ND who come into the AFL having produced a sub 3.0 20m sprint with the fastest usually going at around 2.8.

That's before they have entered the uber professional environment of the AFL where clubs can mould players and develop bodies into what they need to be years into their career. So you can imagine some players would improve on that somewhat.

3.0 isn't fast. It's likely to be in the mid to lower range. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe clubs readily provide current results after players enter the system.

What needs to be remembered by casual watchers, is that we all are wired differently, and the published figures are just a guide. They are assessed from a standing start. There is, therefore an element of reaction time and there is an element of zero to.. acceleration. It is not a rolling start and, relevant for some, there is not a football (a bunny) to chase. Everyone is different. It is straight line speed. Some may anticipate the start, some may find themselves “on their heels” at the start. The fractional differences can be misleading. The “eye test” is often just as reliable.

Our own Corey Durdin had an average sprint time at the combine. While he is not in the five fastest in the league, he would be in the region of the fifty fastest. Big Harry on the move has phenomenal straight line speed, but I suggest may be a little less effective from a standing start. Agility, evasive skills are as important as sheer speed in most contests, as is reaction time, reading play, intuition and positioning

 

[Coops93]

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/elijah-hollands/

STRENGTHS:

• Overhead marking
• Scoreboard impact
• Athleticism
• Defensive pressure
• One-on-ones
• Goal sense
• Dual-sided

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Further midfield development
• Post-injury durability

Seems he was deemed a somewhat dynamic forward before the injury. I wonder if our targeting of him is more around being a medium forward or as a midfielder.

As a mid it would seem he's another that's a bit samey into the mix, big bodied without great athleticism, so would be an odd one to target.

 

[Coops93]

Need to point out that Elijah played out the final games of the home and away season in the senior side. Clearly his absence was Dew related. While he has nit lived up to his draft promise, he has definitely shown enough to be an attractive target. It will be quite interesting to see what price is settled on should we get him. There remains a possibility he is forced to play out his contract.

He was also subbed out of the last 3 games after having no impact. Single digit possessions in 2 of them.

Dew did play favourites imo but I'm not convinced Hollands ever really grasped his AFL opportunities and forced Dew & co. into keeping him in the team. He wasn't really given a long run before it but his form never really warranted it either.

 

[AB_Blue]

That would be exactly what he’s be groomed for,reminds me of Rayner.


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That would be dreamy…Rayner is a jet


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[T2B_]

What needs to be remembered by casual watchers, is that we all are wired differently, and the published figures are just a guide. They are assessed from a standing start. There is, therefore an element of reaction time and there is an element of zero to.. acceleration. It is not a rolling start and, relevant for some, there is not a football (a bunny) to chase. Everyone is different. It is straight line speed. Some may anticipate the start, some may find themselves “on their heels” at the start. The fractional differences can be misleading. The “eye test” is often just as reliable.

Our own Corey Durdin had an average sprint time at the combine. While he is not in the five fastest in the league, he would be in the region of the fifty fastest. Big Harry on the move has phenomenal straight line speed, but I suggest may be a little less effective from a standing start. Agility, evasive skills are as important as sheer speed in most contests, as is reaction time, reading play, intuition and positioning

How very true.

I seem to remember big Shaun Hampson had something like 2.8 over 20m, and he could move no doubt especially for his size, but we rarely got to see him really use it to advantage in games.

 

[jj1978]

Hmm Usain Bolt did a split of 2.89 at the 20m in his 9:58, 100m... are we sure 3:05 is slow? Scratching head. 3.05 is speed of 23.6km/h.... anything greater than 21km/h is generally considered above average. We sure do rank our AFL players harshly.

 

[Blue__Balls]

He was also subbed out of the last 3 games after having no impact. Single digit possessions in 2 of them.

Dew did play favourites imo but I'm not convinced Hollands ever really grasped his AFL opportunities and forced Dew & co. into keeping him in the team. He wasn't really given a long run before it but his form never really warranted it either.

R20 - looks like he spent most of the game on the wing
R21 - seemed to get most of his ball at half back
R22 - mostly wing and a bit of HF

He's only played 14 senior games, so it's a lot of positional mucking around for a very inexperienced player in a somewhat ordinary side.

The game prior to that he put in a pretty good showing, probably his best for the season. Played mostly forward half and a bit of wing, had 19 touches at 84%, 2 goals and 7 score involvements. That might be the one to watch to see what he could be capable of in the role we'd pencil him in for.

Had two similar-ish games last year as well.

R21 - 23 disposals at 78%, 9 marks, 2 goals
R23 - 20 disposals, 7 marks, 3 behinds (wasteful, but generating shots)

One thing I'll note is that he's had 33 career inside 50s for 2 goal assists. No idea whether the kicks were good/bad, or whether the target stuffed up their mark or shanked the kick etc. It would indicate that he's not necessarily that elite kick into the forward 50 that we might like.

 

[branedotorg]

He was also subbed out of the last 3 games after having no impact. Single digit possessions in 2 of them.

Dew did play favourites imo but I'm not convinced Hollands ever really grasped his AFL opportunities and forced Dew & co. into keeping him in the team. He wasn't really given a long run before it but his form never really warranted it either.

Yep. that's why we are looking at a former pick 7 with a 30+ pick.

don't think being picked as a winger helped and i think over the past few years Carlton has been a significantly more professional environment and i back us to get more out of him, if he is willing to do the work.

 

[Doro]

Hmm Usain Bolt did a split of 2.89 at the 20m in his 9:58, 100m... are we sure 3:05 is slow? Scratching head. 3.05 is speed of 23.6km/h.... anything greater than 21km/h is generally considered above average. We sure do rank our AFL players harshly.

That's a split from 100m vs a max sprint over 20m. Most would fatigue and start to slow after 40m. The comparison is from draft camp attendees over the years, 3.05 is around average.

 

[Coops93]

R20 - looks like he spent most of the game on the wing
R21 - seemed to get most of his ball at half back
R22 - mostly wing and a bit of HF

He's only played 14 senior games, so it's a lot of positional mucking around for a very inexperienced player in a somewhat ordinary side.

The game prior to that he put in a pretty good showing, probably his best for the season. Played mostly forward half and a bit of wing, had 19 touches at 84%, 2 goals and 7 score involvements. That might be the one to watch to see what he could be capable of in the role we'd pencil him in for.

Had two similar-ish games last year as well.

R21 - 23 disposals at 78%, 9 marks, 2 goals
R23 - 20 disposals, 7 marks, 3 behinds (wasteful, but generating shots)

One thing I'll note is that he's had 33 career inside 50s for 2 goal assists. No idea whether the kicks were good/bad, or whether the target stuffed up their mark or shanked the kick etc. It would indicate that he's not necessarily that elite kick into the forward 50 that we might like.

He had very little impact with his few possessions in his last chunk of games, you barely noticed he was playing. I was happy about his selection then disappointed to not even notice him. His good games are good but there's a lot of nothing games in between.

I'm not out on him I just don't think Dew is to blame for his non-selections as he didn't really demand selection with his performances at AFL level.

 

[Coops93]

Yep. that's why we are looking at a former pick 7 with a 30+ pick.

don't think being picked as a winger helped and i think over the past few years Carlton has been a significantly more professional environment and i back us to get more out of him, if he is willing to do the work.

I still expected more from him on the wing, he has the tank and athleticism to do it.

I agree I think we could get more from him, he would be a good get I think

 

[jj1978]

Hardwick ain’t gonna be the panacea to their problems.. if you’re a GCS player fringe or not, smart thing to do is leave if you’re not happy.

 

[Coops93]

Hardwick ain’t gonna be the panacea to their problems.. if you’re a GCS player fringe or not, smart thing to do is leave if you’re not happy.

The Suns don't really have many problems, it's not the Suns of a few years ago. Dew, despite his other shortcomings, really turned the culture of the club around. The guys love being there and it's shown in how many re-sign these days. This team has a great culture, excellent near brand new facilities and now a 3x premiership coach. Not to mention the lifestyle.

Leaving isn't necessarily the first thing their fringe players should be considering.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Hmm Usain Bolt did a split of 2.89 at the 20m in his 9:58, 100m... are we sure 3:05 is slow? Scratching head. 3.05 is speed of 23.6km/h.... anything greater than 21km/h is generally considered above average. We sure do rank our AFL players harshly.

Or, we rank them against the other elite sportsman they compete against

 

[Sam The Doc]

Hardwick ain’t gonna be the panacea to their problems.. if you’re a GCS player fringe or not, smart thing to do is leave if you’re not happy.

Recent experience suggests it's a great place for a nice holiday.... not sure about living though!

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Any ITKs got some info on who we are going to bring into the club this off-season and who is getting delisted? Thanks kindly.

 

[ferrisb]

Are you guys saying that running 20m in 3.05 seconds is slow? Or am I reading this wrong? How long should it take????

Under 3.0 is quick
Under 2.9 is very quick
Under 2.85 is best in draft

 

[AndyLucimitis]

How very true.

I seem to remember big Shaun Hampson had something like 2.8 over 20m, and he could move no doubt especially for his size, but we rarely got to see him really use it to advantage in games.

..he spotted Megan Gale at a nightclub once and moved pretty quick