Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[jj1978]

6 million dollarbuck contract...sounds like it'll be a Brody Grundy type trade to me.

Maybe Melbourne can trade Grundy for Oliver?? Oh wait....

 

[jj1978]

We desperately need our small forwards to improve and to provide scoring if we're to win a premiership. Think that's our biggest weaknesses in finals.

Pies have 3 or 4 who can bob up for multiple goals any given week. So too does Brisbane. Beyond Jack Martin we don't have any that we can trust to do the same so if Harry and Charlie are playing hurt - which they were - or are well held - which they were - too much is relied upon too few.

Both grand finalists might carry some "spuds" but the list structure is right for both of them to deliver in the finals. I argue that we have as much of not more AFL level players but the structure isn't quite right at the moment.

Would change quickly if Motlop, Durdin, Owies and Cuners can find another level or we're able to fill that gap externally.

Small forwards and more goals from mids/wings. We've seen Acres bob up consistently in recent times kicking them, but we tend to not have consistency from the rest. E.g Cotters kicks a couple one week then nothing for a few, Walsh kicks one, then nothing for a few weeks. Hardly got any goals from Cripps, Hewett this year. Ollie think kicked only 1 goal for the season after playing pretty much every game (bar his injury period).

 

[Stamos]

Would change quickly if Motlop, Durdin, Owies and Cuners can find another level or we're able to fill that gap externally.

Cunners ran out of puff after 3 years of no footy. We missed him.
Motlop and Durdin should improve with another pre-season. Elijah Hollands might help at half forward. We have so much improvement in us.

Really though, if Charlie can stand up in finals we will be very hard to beat, setting aside any other improvement.

 

[JustOneTime]

I actually don't think Cripps is as bad a kick as lots say. I think this season in particular he lowers his eyes hitting up shorter passes more than he ever has and he hits them way more than he misses. It was just about his best kicking season imo

As an inside mid he does get a pass mark but i trust Hewett/Cerra much more who also get their own ball.

I also saw him lower his eyes so he is trying. I think what helped him improve his kicking rating was that he kicked sideways a lot more this year than previous years. His metres gained dropped way down. In one way, this means he knows his limitations, in another way, i'd prefer a better metres gained kicker in the midfield. Like a Cerra taking his role.

Still think he should be in the rotations.

 

[chipzac]

Small forwards and more goals from mids/wings. We've seen Acres bob up consistently in recent times kicking them, but we tend to not have consistency from the rest. E.g Cotters kicks a couple one week then nothing for a few, Walsh kicks one, then nothing for a few weeks. Hardly got any goals from Cripps, Hewett this year. Ollie think kicked only 1 goal for the season after playing pretty much every game (bar his injury period).

Ned Cahill looked pretty good in the reserves this year ... would he be worth a rookie spot?

 

[JustOneTime]

Oliver goes at 67.2 % disposals efficiency
And only 52.2% by foot
Thats terrible for an apparent elite midfielder

Don't want to get too carried away with stats as Cripps on the AFL site is worse by foot over his career than Oliver while having almost half the metres gained which means Cripps is attemptingn way easier disposals.

 

[windows1]

Reports of Oliver causing his own foot infection by tattooing himself ring very true for anyone who ever met him. Thick as 2 bricks.

I met him and had a good long conversation with him. I found him thoughtful and respectful.

 

[Coops93]

Don't want to get too carried away with stats as Cripps on the AFL site is worse by foot over his career than Oliver while having almost half the metres gained which means Cripps is attemptingn way easier disposals.

Kicks over 50 metres are considered effective kicks.

Oliver hacking the ball 50m forward is considered effective and gets the metres gained, irrespective of result, so using his metres gained and higher kick effectiveness as an argument against Cripps isn't exactly a good one, who doesn't run and hack forward as much and get the cheap metres/effective kicks.

 

[GT619]

The most relaxed I've been going into trade period. Maybe I'm getting old

 

[Wickzki]

Really though, if Charlie can stand up in finals we will be very hard to beat, setting aside any other improvement.

Got to get him there healthy next time. He's not the type to seek or offer excuses but he took a bump at the end of the season that left him hurting through finals.

 

[Blue1980]

It's Paddy Dow.. not Paddy Dangerfield we are talking about.

Some here are convinced they are the same person

 

[Blue1980]

If Demons are happy for Oliver to leave, they would want a key forward

That would be the starting point

Lemmy?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Cunners ran out of puff after 3 years of no footy. We missed him.
Motlop and Durdin should improve with another pre-season. Elijah Hollands might help at half forward. We have so much improvement in us.

Really though, if Charlie can stand up in finals we will be very hard to beat, setting aside any other improvement.

Puff or no puff he's still not in our best 22. Personally think he should be one of the de-listings. Only one of him and Marchbank should move forward with us. Neither is Cottrell, Fogarty, Silvagni etc aren't best 22 either IMO. Got to move past these guys to make the next step. They're all fine as depth though.

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Crows well positioned to make it happen…..
Pick 9, F1, McAdam, Pick 21, Pick 24 and Doedee compo pick to play with !!

They are pretty shit picks tbh

 

[thylacine60]

Puff or no puff he's still not in our best 22. Personally think he should be one of the de-listings. Only one of him and Marchbank should move forward with us. Neither is Cottrell, Fogarty, Silvagni etc aren't best 22 either IMO. Got to move past these guys to make the next step. They're all fine as depth though.

"in my opinion" not included but implied...........

 

[JustOneTime]

Kicks over 50 metres are considered effective kicks.

Oliver hacking the ball 50m forward is considered effective and gets the metres gained, irrespective of result, so using his metres gained and higher kick effectiveness as an argument against Cripps isn't exactly a good one, who doesn't run and hack forward as much and get the cheap metres/effective kicks.

This is why it doesnt really pay to quote anyone on this site.

Reus was saying Oliver was a hack player for someone considered an elite midfielder. I provided enough information that our very own Cripps was of a similar vein. The point I was trying personally making was that it is a silly point to make about Oliver in context of his role/peers. Most clubs would be freaked to get him. I'd suggest most supporters would take Oliver over Cripps at this point of their careers going fwd.

I'm not sure of your point really except you are offended by my comment on cripps.

In another thread of posts you defended Cripps as decent/improving kicker. I agree he is managing his kicking better. But this still wouldn't change my point though that I'd prefer Cerra/Hewett play that role based on the fact they are better decision makers, better kickers and can run two ways much better. Cripps can win more stoppages tho.

 

[therubbernub]

I met him and had a good long conversation with him. I found him thoughtful and respectful.

yeah but that doesnt count . We need multiple counts of social media speculation backed up by those "ITK" THEN its real

 

[Coops93]

This is why it doesnt really pay to quote anyone on this site.

Reus was saying Oliver was a hack player for someone considered an elite midfielder. I provided enough information that our very own Cripps was of a similar vein. The point I was trying personally making was that it is a silly point to make about Oliver in context of his role/peers. Most clubs would be freaked to get him. I'd suggest most supporters would take Oliver over Cripps at this point of their careers going fwd.

I'm not sure of your point really except you are offended by my comment on cripps.

In another thread of posts you defended Cripps as decent/improving kicker. I agree he is managing his kicking better. But this still wouldn't change my point though that I'd prefer Cerra/Hewett play that role based on the fact they are better decision makers, better kickers and can run two ways much better. Cripps can win more stoppages tho.

I'm not offended, I just misunderstood the context of your post, no problems there I'll admit that.

1 post was defending Cripps kicking, the other was debating the validity of Oliver's kicking efficiency rating and metres gained when compared to Cripps. Only 1 post was defending his kicking the other was adding context to statistic.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Oliver's role isn't to hit penetrating kicks.

It's to gain metres and win contests. He does it better than most.

Part of the reason we don't need him, Cripps is too similar

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[Ezayyak]

Puff or no puff he's still not in our best 22. Personally think he should be one of the de-listings. Only one of him and Marchbank should move forward with us. Neither is Cottrell, Fogarty, Silvagni etc aren't best 22 either IMO. Got to move past these guys to make the next step. They're all fine as depth though.

A fit cuningham is best 22 easily in my opinion

 

[JustOneTime]

Really want the club to resign Marchbank. A full pre-season fitness wise, power in the legs, more understanding. Has a footy brain.

I see him killing it next season 'if' his body holds up. I'm channelling those 4 games Charlie played which were nothing but average before he turned it on the following season.

Wavering on Cunners who has had many chances...don't mind if he is resigned given other players on our list but if it was a choice between Marchy and Cunners I'd def go for Marchbank.

I'm not forgetting McGovern can be fickle, Kemp is on a learning curve, and Newman played out of his skin in 2023 but has previously been slightly slow/average in other seasons.

Cunners just gets lost in traffic too much...but i guess he gets there the quickest!

 

[4thchicken]

This is why it doesnt really pay to quote anyone on this site.

Reus was saying Oliver was a hack player for someone considered an elite midfielder. I provided enough information that our very own Cripps was of a similar vein. The point I was trying personally making was that it is a silly point to make about Oliver in context of his role/peers. Most clubs would be freaked to get him. I'd suggest most supporters would take Oliver over Cripps at this point of their careers going fwd.

I'm not sure of your point really except you are offended by my comment on cripps.

In another thread of posts you defended Cripps as decent/improving kicker. I agree he is managing his kicking better. But this still wouldn't change my point though that I'd prefer Cerra/Hewett play that role based on the fact they are better decision makers, better kickers and can run two ways much better. Cripps can win more stoppages tho.

Would never happen but what you suggest would mean pursuing something along the lines of

Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon
Blues -> oliver
Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon

Blues get a fairly similar calibre midfielder that is a couple of years younger, faster(?) and potentially less banged up

 

[JustOneTime]

Would never happen but what you suggest would mean pursuing something along the lines of

Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon
Blues -> oliver
Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon

Blues get a fairly similar calibre midfielder that is a couple of years younger, faster(?) and potentially less banged up

Of course you are being funny. I so hope you are being funny.

 

[Coops93]

Would never happen but what you suggest would mean pursuing something along the lines of

Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon
Blues -> oliver
Cripps -> Adelaide/swans/essendon

Blues get a fairly similar calibre midfielder that is a couple of years younger, faster(?) and potentially less banged up

Oliver is definitely faster. I think his run speed is very underrated, he's quite fast

 

[Garters]

Oliver goes at 67.2 % disposals efficiency
And only 52.2% by foot
Thats terrible for an apparent elite midfielder

A 4x club B&F 2x All Australian Premiership player Age 26.
A 4x club B&F 2x All Australian Brownlow Meddalist Age 28
Both DE circa 70%
One being referred to as an "apparent" elite midfielder as DE is that of most inside work horse mids.
The other being our Captain. (Similar DE)

Lies, damn lies then statistics used in vain.

Don't refer to Oliver as an "apparent" elite midfielder. Credit where credit is due. The guy is an out and out gun.

DE most pointless stat champion data has managed to compile, means nothing without context.