Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[Blue_Steel89]

Just a quick shout out to the mods for deleting my previous post about a "so called rumour".

Thank you! I hate when people try to spread false information so by you deleting my post it put my mind at ease.

Not long afterwards I saw a moderator of the Carlton group I saw the post in put up a post basically saying not to post any false information or they will be removed from that group.

Thanks again mods in here

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Make sure you mention the Bobblehead fiasco..

"Bobblegate"

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

You get entry to games and the right to vote at an AGM or special meeting. There's nothing else specified and you still aren't 'owed' anything.

Ha. This again. The righteous demanding their points & premierships. Next they'll want hot pies at the games.

Football clubs in general have the best type of customers. Any other business would kill for customers of this quality.

Hopefully the club is making good use of it

 

[thylacine60]

"Bobblegate"

I see......

 

[gab213]

Football clubs in general have the best type of customers. Any other business would kill for customers of this quality.

Hopefully the club is making good use of it

Have never considered myself to be a customer of the CFC, nor do I see it as a business per se.

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

Have never considered myself to be a customer of the CFC, nor do I see it as a business per se.

Well once upon a time I would have agreed with you.

But, as we have all come to accept, our old way of doing things doesn't work in the era of professionalism, stable management, and salary caps.

All things that tie into us being a business now.

I'm sure I have heard many on here say the old Jack Elliot way didn't work.

The main thing a business needs to operate are it's shareholders, and customers. (the members / fans).

It drives everything we do.

Anyway long story short, if you are happy to pay your money/support without even the slightest modicum of professional standards (onfield) or for anything in return, that is entirely valid, and completely up to you.

Other people want to see results, and that's also fair.

It's not for you to say they are wrong, it's not for me to say you are wrong

 

[gab213]

Well once upon a time I would have agreed with you.

But, as we have all come to accept, our old way of doing things doesn't work in the era of professionalism, stable management, and salary caps.

All things that tie into us being a business now.

I'm sure I have heard many on here say the old Jack Elliot way didn't work.

The main thing a business needs to operate are it's shareholders, and customers. (the members / fans).

It drives everything we do.

Football Clubs don't have shareholders as they aren't driven by making profits. Members are the closest things we have to that and not even a membership entitles you to much outside of entry to games, I consider my membership as a donation, realistically, that is what it is.

My ties are to this club, even before the team. Players, coaches, they all come and go, the club is the one constant. That will be hard for some to understand but being part of the club and spending so much time there as a younger person, it played a big part in our lives. Much more than a weekly trip to a shared stadium. I long ago lost any love for the AFL as a competition, it lost its soul long ago. I follow Carlton, not all that interested in what other clubs do.

Jack Elliot's ways absolutely worked for maybe the first ten years of his presidency, his mistake was to refuse to effect the change when the direction of the league moved. The last year's of his presidency were the disaster.

Whichever way you want to look at it, I'll never see my football club as a Business.

 

[thylacine60]

Just a quick shout out to the mods for deleting my previous post about a "so called rumour".

Thank you! I hate when people try to spread false information so by you deleting my post it put my mind at ease.

Not long afterwards I saw a moderator of the Carlton group I saw the post in put up a post basically saying not to post any false information or they will be removed from that group.

Thanks again mods in here

anyone?

 

[Aphrodite]

anyone?

Did you miss who liked the post.

Well did you.

 

[bradfisher14]

This thread is a sacred place where only information that is 100% true gets posted

 

[thylacine60]

This thread is a sacred place where only information that is 100% true gets posted

this - boom!

 

[Blue and Blue]

Football Clubs don't have shareholders as they aren't driven by making profits. Members are the closest things we have to that and not even a membership entitles you to much outside of entry to games, I consider my membership as a donation, realistically, that is what it is.

My ties are to this club, even before the team. Players, coaches, they all come and go, the club is the one constant. That will be hard for some to understand but being part of the club and spending so much time there as a younger person, it played a big part in our lives. Much more than a weekly trip to a shared stadium. I long ago lost any love for the AFL as a competition, it lost its soul long ago. I follow Carlton, not all that interested in what other clubs do.

Jack Elliot's ways absolutely worked for maybe the first ten years of his presidency, his mistake was to refuse to effect the change when the direction of the league moved. The last year's of his presidency were the disaster.

Whichever way you want to look at it, I'll never see my football club as a Business.

Totally agree and concur.
On Elliot, never sure what he really did for us besides Sticks and Braddles and Diesel. Thought the Harris Rice era produced harder teams and more flags.
And we owe Wes Lofts so much for all those periods too.

 

[Blue and Blue]

This thread is a sacred place where only information that is 100% true gets posted

Is that true?

 

[gab213]

Totally agree and concur.
On Elliot, never sure what he really did for us besides Sticks and Braddles and Diesel. Thought the Harris Rice era produced harder teams and more flags.
And we owe Wes Lofts so much for all those periods too.

Jack was instrumental in bringing a lot of sponsors to the club. He also implemented some things which put us at the forefront of the league.

For all his faults, he could relate to all those associated with the club. He was just as comfortable relating to those in the outer as he was with those in the corporate boxes. One thing that was undeniable is that everything he did, right or wrong he did because he loved the club. I don't think you can say the same for everyone that has followed.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Football Clubs don't have shareholders as they aren't driven by making profits. Members are the closest things we have to that and not even a membership entitles you to much outside of entry to games, I consider my membership as a donation, realistically, that is what it is.

My ties are to this club, even before the team. Players, coaches, they all come and go, the club is the one constant. That will be hard for some to understand but being part of the club and spending so much time there as a younger person, it played a big part in our lives. Much more than a weekly trip to a shared stadium. I long ago lost any love for the AFL as a competition, it lost its soul long ago. I follow Carlton, not all that interested in what other clubs do.

Jack Elliot's ways absolutely worked for maybe the first ten years of his presidency, his mistake was to refuse to effect the change when the direction of the league moved. The last year's of his presidency were the disaster.

Whichever way you want to look at it, I'll never see my football club as a Business.

Well once upon a time I would have agreed with you.

But, as we have all come to accept, our old way of doing things doesn't work in the era of professionalism, stable management, and salary caps.

All things that tie into us being a business now.

I'm sure I have heard many on here say the old Jack Elliot way didn't work.

The main thing a business needs to operate are it's shareholders, and customers. (the members / fans).

It drives everything we do.

Anyway long story short, if you are happy to pay your money/support without even the slightest modicum of professional standards (onfield) or for anything in return, that is entirely valid, and completely up to you.

Other people want to see results, and that's also fair.

It's not for you to say they are wrong, it's not for me to say you are wrong

The people's game? Football, finance and society by S. Morrow. Good book talks a lot about this sort of discussion.

 

[gab213]

The people's game? Football, finance and society by S. Morrow. Good book talks a lot about this sort of discussion.

Will have to check it out.

 

[52Goals4inGranny]

Totally agree and concur.
On Elliot, never sure what he really did for us besides Sticks and Braddles and Diesel. Thought the Harris Rice era produced harder teams and more flags.
And we owe Wes Lofts so much for all those periods too.

Totally agree and concur.
On Elliot, never sure what he really did for us besides Sticks and Braddles and Diesel. Thought the Harris Rice era produced harder teams and more flags.
And we owe Wes Lofts so much for all those periods too.

Wes Lofts was an extremely close friend and associate of my father (who knows nothing about football.)

Genius guy. Legend.

Big jack did what he did and then as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely

 

[The Flying Doormat]

It’s about the journeeeee

St Kilda agree

 

[Bluey19]

Of course, there are matters of governance and statutory requirements. ( I have already acknowledged the rights of members to vote at AGMs and special meetings) .Those are requirements that you must fulfil.

That wasn't what the discussions have been about. People are saying we are 'owed' success, in terms of premierships etc. That is totally different.

Way to back pedal

 

[DrTrain]

Is there a list somewhere of our out of contract players at the end of the season?

 

[Jeremias]

Is there a list somewhere of our out of contract players at the end of the season?

Resource - Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

Note: This thread is for official announcements only. Please direct all discussion to the relevant player threads - click on the player name below to be redirected! Number Name Contract Expiry Source 2023 List Notes 1 Jack Silvagni 2025 Here Senior 2 Lachlan Cowan 2026 Here Senior...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Resource - Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

Note: This thread is for official announcements only. Please direct all discussion to the relevant player threads - click on the player name below to be redirected! Number Name Contract Expiry Source 2023 List Notes 1 Jack Silvagni 2025 Here Senior 2 Lachlan Cowan 2026 Here Senior...

www.bigfooty.com

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2024

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2024.

www.footywire.com

 

[DrTrain]

Resource - Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

Note: This thread is for official announcements only. Please direct all discussion to the relevant player threads - click on the player name below to be redirected! Number Name Contract Expiry Source 2023 List Notes 1 Jack Silvagni 2025 Here Senior 2 Lachlan Cowan 2026 Here Senior...

www.bigfooty.com

Thanks that’s a really helpful resource

 

[Aphrodite]

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2024

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2024.

www.footywire.com

Footywire is not always accurate.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Footywire is not always accurate.

Agreed.

Pretty good though, and a good starting point!