Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[HereComesJuddy]

Very happy to let Houston go through to the keeper if he is 800k plus in 2025

 

[I bleed Blue]

Still can't believe they gave away pick 7 and Bowes for literally nothing

Joke that the AFL could sign off on that. Gross miss-managment.

Geelong basically won the lottery with that one.

 

[carlton_99]

Is it possible for us to trade for the suns pick 12 and lions pick 18 and go to the draft with pick 11,12 and 18?

Really address some needs!

Feel like we could get one with a F1 but other clubs would have better offers for the other imo

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Thanks for the info mate - I still don't really understand this stance from the club. If we aren't going to be targeting a mature KPD this post-season our depth in that area is going to be really poor if we let Young go

We surely can't be purely relying on 191-193cm interceptors to play on resting ruckman, and the Daniher types.

I know we want to cut our losses with Young as a long term option, but he's still got to be a better depth option than Sam Durdin.

I think we want to lose Young's salary more than anything, and then open up a list spot as a secondary benefit.

If we have a state league player in mind, we probably want to take them in the draft, rather than chance them getting through to us as a rookie, thus Young going over Durdin.

At least I hope that's our thinking.

 

[carlton_99]

We surely can't be purely relying on 191-193cm interceptors to play on resting ruckman, and the Daniher types.

I know we want to cut our losses with Young as a long term option, but he's still got to be a better depth option than Sam Durdin.

I think we want to lose Young's salary more than anything, and then open up a list spot as a secondary benefit.

If we have a state league player in mind, we probably want to take them in the draft, rather than chance them getting through to us as a rookie, thus Young going over Durdin.

At least I hope that's our thinking.

I think the smaller defence (i.e., Weitering with two of McGovern/Haynes/Kemp) only works if the midfield buys into the defensive side of the game and can get delay on the ball. We were able to do that really well in 2023 but not so much in 2024. I think Cerra is key to this so hopefully him getting a better run at it helps with defending stoppage. But agree overall we shouldn't be trading Young unless we can bring in another proper mature KPD in to replace him - Durdin is not reliable.

 

[bmaurizio]

We may have no choice, and have to forget about Dan Houston

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, if the sum mention are fact with our limitations on salary cap space we’re out of the race.
Things is our window is probably 2 to 3 years, and then it’s rebuild all over again. We’re stuck, hopefully Austin can spin some magic or be creative.
Haynes and few youngsters in the draft ain’t going to move the needle exponentially in our quest for 17th.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

This period, should be skewed heavily towards the draft. My opinion it is the best crop between 10 & 40 in years. A few moneyball picks -konstanty, Mcmahon? but play the % and take 5 (3+campos) in this draft. Leave expensive trades for another year.

This year might be the last good draft opportunity(talent depth) we have access to with Tassie entering the comp. and securing Cody(without the current concessions) plus our salary cap imbalance(too many chiefs and not enough indians)

Trading in players will be a future necessity not an option when Tassie raids the draft nest.

 

[carlton_99]

We may have no choice, and have to forget about Dan Houston, if the sum mention are fact with our limitations on salary cap space we’re out of the race.
Things is our window is probably 2 to 3 years, and then it’s rebuild all over again. We’re stuck, hopefully Austin can spin some magic or be creative.
Haynes and few youngsters in the draft ain’t going to move the needle exponentially in our quest for 17th.

I'm hoping to finish higher than 17th personally

 

[Foucault1989]

Go to the draft. Load up on young talent. Sick of paying big bucks and high picks. Plenty of money ball types out there. Build our core through the draft.

And on that note, can we draft some guns? Our drafting over a long period of time has been abysmal

 

[bmaurizio]

Agree that we shouldn’t be letting go of Young unless it assist with cap space to help better manage an astute trade.

 

[Arr0w]

I think the smaller defence (i.e., Weitering with two of McGovern/Haynes/Kemp) only works if the midfield buys into the defensive side of the game and can get delay on the ball. We were able to do that really well in 2023 but not so much in 2024. I think Cerra is key to this so hopefully him getting a better run at it helps with defending stoppage. But agree overall we shouldn't be trading Young unless we can bring in another proper mature KPD in to replace him - Durdin is not reliable.

I just can't see us letting Young go unless we have a ready made type locked away, which is difficult to determine unless it's a DFA

 

[bmaurizio]

I'm hoping to finish higher than 17th personally

I'm hoping to finish higher than 17th personally

It’s been almost 30 years since our last flag , so yah one gets a little foggy, it’s all about a premierships after all, one would have thought.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Is it possible for us to trade for the suns pick 12 and lions pick 18 and go to the draft with pick 11,12 and 18?

Really address some needs!

Would depend on whether we can convince a club to part with a draft pick for magic beans.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Joke that the AFL could sign off on that. Gross miss-managment.

Geelong basically won the lottery with that one.

Except that they used the pick on Clarke who has struggled so far and also have Bowes on their books for another couple of years and he's pretty average.

 

[Soapy V]

Reading all the comments about Houston’s possible salary. Just for a bit of perspective

If we lose Kennedy Owies Marchbank Martin Cuningham Young, even at an avg of $350k which I believe is low that is $2.1m

5 draftees, rookies or SSPs would avg $150k each. That is $750k. Add Houston on $800k fits easily

Draft picks are massively beneficial for the Salary Cap over mature players no matter who they are

William’s contract ends in 2 years. TDK is our only big name to sign next year

That is also not mentioning the big increase is Salary Cap that is coming and that our Salary Cap had room for “at least one quality player” before all this.

These are rough numbers but highlights our position

IMO the Houston deal is more about draft picks than money. And of course who else we are targeting. That’s my take

 

[Red Bull]

Martin Marchbank Cuningham salaries already off the books.
Kennedy Young and Owies salaries also looking to be cleared.
Would have to believe a responsible and competent list manager would have previously factored in and largely budgeted for upcoming Weitering/TDK contracts without having to fire sale to accommodate them now.
Doubt we’re prepared to offer Houston a godfather contract let alone meet Port’s demands in trade for him.
So, if the club are committed to an assault on a premiership in the “Cripps/Docherty” window and are actively clearing salaries … what can Austin have up his sleeve in the next few weeks …

 

[tarczonandjane]

I just think we are in a spot where the right draftee/s can come in and make an immediate difference. It’s not like they’re coming in to play with Sam Kerridge, Nick Graham, and Lachie Plowman. They’re coming in to play with a dual Brownlow medallist, 6 (I think?) All Australians, 2 Coleman medallists, and the player of the 2023 finals series.

Ironically enough, I think we have the best support for any draftee to come into our side since Scott Camporeale

Scott Camporeale

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in 1995 (you could almost add Whitehead given he hadn’t played many games in 1994).

For me, the proof is in the pudding. Guys like Lord, Binns, and Moir came in and played competent footy alongside Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and co.

That’s why I’m keen on this draft. I really think we can set ourselves up beautifully for 2025.

 

[carlton_99]

TDK is our only big name to sign next year

Weitering, Saad and Cerra would be set for extensions as well you'd think

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Weitering, Saad and Cerra would be set of extensions as well you'd think

One I wouldnt be extending.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I just can't see us letting Young go unless we have a ready made type locked away, which is difficult to determine unless it's a DFA

This. Or its got the feel of JSOS playing down back.

 

[Arr0w]

This. Or its got the feel of JSOS playing down back.

On 200cm agile forwards? I hope that's not our strategy

 

[Soapy V]

Weitering, Saad and Cerra would be set for extensions as well you'd think

Weitering on a 6 year deal close to what he is paid currently p.a

Saad will probably be paid a bit lower than current deal

Cerra will depend on what type of season he has

 

[blue healer]

OK maybe I'm a tad optimistic but I think we have a future Houston already on our list in Lachie Cowan and I'd be a little worried that his development next year may be compromised by bringing Houston in.

Not gonna be at all disappointed if we don't land him. Just for once can we back our kids in?

 

[Couper]

And who pays the rest of Houston's contract should he depart Port?

 

[Soapy V]

We surely can't be purely relying on 191-193cm interceptors to play on resting ruckman, and the Daniher types.

I know we want to cut our losses with Young as a long term option, but he's still got to be a better depth option than Sam Durdin.

I think we want to lose Young's salary more than anything, and then open up a list spot as a secondary benefit.

If we have a state league player in mind, we probably want to take them in the draft, rather than chance them getting through to us as a rookie, thus Young going over Durdin.

At least I hope that's our thinking.

Next year we will have

Weitering - as good as any
Young and/or Durdin - back up
Haynes, McGovern, Cowan, Kemp (hope he stays fwd) as more third talls
Lemmey (201cm) & Silvagni are options
Good chance we will add another

Look at the finals sides from this year. Mostly mobile with one key pillar in defence. Look at the job Lester did on Cameron in Prelim. The game is more about mobility than ever before