Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

We haven't been (despite the prelim run last year), because we haven't been able to address those other issues. We have one genuinely quick small forward, who hasn't come on yet. We have no express midfielders. The midfield pace is behind a heap of our issues, especially since 6-6-6 came in. I can't help but feel this was the area that needed to be addressed first.

The point is they were never going to address it. We have had three first round picks since Saad and haven’t chased those types with them.
There has been plenty of time between picking up Saad and now to build a premiership contender side. He is about the only player we have picked up in the last four years that has really filled a need.
(Harsh a Cerra as I think he will make a lot of people look silly next season)

 

[JustOneTime]

Overpaid on Saad? 10 for an All-Australian level defender in a COVID-impacted draft seems a good price to me.

Which of these players (drafted 10-18) would you swap for Saad?

Zach Reid
Luke Pedlar
Tanner Bruhn
Tom Powell
Heath Chapman
Connor Stone
Lachie Jones
Ollie Henry
Ryan Angwin

Yes we overpaid and maybe we had to; maybe austin was weak. But it hurts us now. Pick 8 for 3-5 years footy is a lot.

It's why we look fools when talking to Port Adelaide about Houston right now. Roughly same age but Houston is a bonafide all Australian under contract while Saad wasn't. I'd agree Saad was close but in the actual deal itself, and out in the media, it is points against.

Port is looking at pick 13 and saying take a run and jump because of the Saad deal. Austin has nothing to fight back with and it is of his own making.

Austin not fighting hard enough vs the Dodo bird costs us now. Austin cant now say its not about All australian it is about years of footy left. A ten year draftee vs 3-4 years of service. He cant say that because he already bent over for Saad.

 

[carlton_99]

Yes we overpaid and maybe we had to; maybe austin was weak. But it hurts us now. Pick 8 for 3-5 years footy is a lot.

It's why we look fools when talking to Port Adelaide about Houston right now. Roughly same age but Houston is a bonafide all Australian under contract while Saad wasn't.

Port is looking at pick 13 and saying take a run and jump because of the Saad deal. Austin has nothing to fight back with and it is of his own making.

Austin not fighting hard enough vs the Dodo bird costs us now. Austin cant now say its not about All australian it is about years of footy left. A ten year draftee vs 3-4 years of service. He cant say that because he already bent over for Saad.

Port won't accept 13 alone no matter who has it - has nothing to do with Saad

 

[JustOneTime]

Port won't accept 13 alone no matter who has it - has nothing to do with Saad

I know that. I'm explaining the back and forth that would happen between them. You are explaining the outcome.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The point is they were never going to address it. We have had three first round picks since Saad and haven’t chased those types with them.
There has been plenty of time between picking up Saad and now to build a premiership contender side. He is about the only player we have picked up in the last four years that has really filled a need.
(Harsh a Cerra as I think he will make a lot of people look silly next season)

We just try to get any decent player who wants to come to us, without enough thought about the types we need. We didn't need Cerra at the time, even if he becomes a great player for us.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Cerra is a very different midfielder to Hewett. Cerra I still think was a necessary pick up - critical for us that we get him fit for 25'. Big reason why our midfield worked so well in 23'

I'm thinking more about the one-paced midfield. We already had Cripps and Kennedy, and then added Hewett and Cerra in the one off-season. Hewett as a FA was fair, but a decent first rounder for Cerra when we had other needs, was a luxury.

 

[katmanblue]

Sin?

Everyday

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[katmanblue]

I’m interested to see people’s opinions on Docs return in ‘25
I do not see him improving our midfield (wings incl) and not convinced about HB either

Very handy back-up and leadership

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[katmanblue]

Third generation. One to go.

Generating the fourth

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[BlueJet]

Yes we overpaid and maybe we had to; maybe austin was weak. But it hurts us now. Pick 8 for 3-5 years footy is a lot.

It's why we look fools when talking to Port Adelaide about Houston right now. Roughly same age but Houston is a bonafide all Australian under contract while Saad wasn't. I'd agree Saad was close but in the actual deal itself, and out in the media, it is points against.

Port is looking at pick 13 and saying take a run and jump because of the Saad deal. Austin has nothing to fight back with and it is of his own making.

Austin not fighting hard enough vs the Dodo bird costs us now. Austin cant now say its not about All australian it is about years of footy left. A ten year draftee vs 3-4 years of service. He cant say that because he already bent over for Saad.

Port are after 2 firsts or any early first +: which is apparently too rich for us. We paid one for Saad.

We dont look like fools, we've stated our walk away price for him which hurt their feelings. Given their stance was that they were happy to hold onto him if no suitable deal could be arranged - their petulance is obviously telling on themselves but to those with obvious agendas, we're getting played.. somehow.

Austin's counterpoint, is "nah, im good" which is what he's done thus far. He's not obligated to recruit Houston..

Haydoss 10:8 AFAIK.

 

[JustOneTime]

Port are after 2 firsts or any early first +: which is apparently too rich for us. We paid one for Saad.

We dont look like fools, we've stated our walk away price for him which hurt their feelings. Given their stance was that they were happy to hold onto him if no suitable deal could be arranged - their petulance is obviously telling on themselves but to those with obvious agendas, we're getting played.. somehow.

Austin's counterpoint, is "nah, im good" which is what he's done thus far. He's not obligated to recruit Houston..

Haydoss 10:8 AFAIK.

A lot to unpack. Two firsts is their starting point. And prob based on the proposed Melb deal. Their starting point won't put us off trying something as it shouldn't.

Carlton's attempt at gaining GC's first rounder despite the posturing is for houston with a backup plan for the draft if all goes wrong. Austin is covering himself. But to help I will say IMO if that helps. It doesn't make sense to get in an 8 way bidding war for a draft pick that that kills future multiple picks (it will take overpayment). Carlton couldn't win an argument of not an expectation of top 6 next year meaning a lower pick swap for GC unless we coughed up more. All stupid unless the goal of the pick is Houston. IMO.

Any dealings with port in chats over Houston will reference the Saad deal (IMO) plus the impact of the longer contract period for Houston. Austin has no foot to stand on trying to lessen the value of Houston unlike Pies. Austin will just have to be stubborn and stupid and tell port stupidly he overpaid for Saad or alternatively overpay again.

No 27 year old is worth two first rounders due to the years left. Imagine it, 3-5 years vs 20 years if he gives two first rounders. Let's see how stupid or good our club is. Pick 13 is the correct value. Saad for 8 was an overpayment. Port gain 9-12 years, while we gain Houston for less than half that time.

 

[Kenny Hunter09]

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[Campoeasy]

So George and Nicky N both finish in the top 5 of our B&F..... for the combined princely sum of a 4th round pick.

Swans know how to instil professionalism to their players from day 1 of arriving......so why wouldn't we be interested in Jacob Konstanty? He hasn't been able to break into their best 22, but we know exactly the type of player we're getting....

10 touches and a goal a game in the twos, doesn't do enough. Have plenty of those already. There's a reason he hasn't played at Sydney

 

[Campoeasy]

I don't think that all of the other contenders are necessarily doing much to improve their lists this offseason.

Hawthorn yes ... Battle and Barass is big.

Brisbane no ... just the academy players in the draft. They have one hyuk size hole to fill in the mean time.

GWS no ... losing a few players.

Geelong, yes but ... Smith for a song because of his off field stuff and his year off injured. Unfortunately, we can not compete with their attractiveness. The but is another year older for Dangerfield, Duncan, Blicavs, Cameron etc. If they get Oliver, then that's a resounding yes however.

Dogs no ... losing some experienced depth.

Collingwood yes ... Perryman as a FA.

Port no ... potentially losing Houston and Lord, but gaining Lukosius. That's a net negative.

Sydney no ... going to be a quiet time in the harbour city.

Fremantle yes ... getting Shai Bolton.

I feel like only Hawthorn and potentially Geelong have made giant strides here. I agree that if Carlton don't land Houston, then we are a 'no' as well. It will all come down to this trade, unless we have something else in the works. 2 first rounders for Houston though, I think we lose that trade.

Brisbane no, they just won a premiership and get the number one pick in the draft for peanuts

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Brisbane no, they just won a premiership and get the number one pick in the draft for peanuts

He's not going to improve them much in year one, certainly not enough to make up for what they lose with Daniher. We're talking about 2025 improvement.

I know the academy system is a rort though.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Do people really think that the Pies adding to slightly above average players in Schultz and Perryman for a 1st and 2nd (Schultz) and around $900k per year (Perryman) us going to do anything for them other than hurt them down the track in teens of what they missed on this year and their salary cap?

People can't genuinely believe that it is "brave" recruiting or that they are going "all in" can they?

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Membry

Oh ok... thanks.

We should definitely pick him up for nothing.

The guy always ripped us a new one in most games...great back up forward...

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[TrueQldBlue]

I

tom morris would be better in a gossip mag he is pretty bad

He reaches that's for sure

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[TrueQldBlue]

Come on, don't be that hindsight guy with specific parameters to make a case.

1. It was Pick 8 at the time we traded.

2. We didn't know, and still don't, how many of those players will turn out. They are 22 yeah?

3. Max Holmes was taken at #20, Shannon Neale at #33, Beau McCreery at #44. Errol Gulden, while an academy selection, wasn't bid on until #32. That's why we don't use hindsight drafting to evaluate the worth of a trade.

4. Saad's AA season of 2022, was by far his best season in his career. I'm not sure if he was even in an AA squad until he joined us. Again, it's a hindsight call and not at all reflective of the trade at the time.

5. Saad was nominated for the rising star at Gold Coast, and Gold Coast only got a 2nd rounder from Essendon for him. After 3 seasons, Essendon converted that into Pick 8. We paid a premium based on our need for backline pace, no doubt about it.

We did pay overs thanks to Dodoro...

But this is what happens when we tell the whole world who we want before the trade week starts..

But Saad has been a welcome addition..

I think we got smarter with the Cerra trade and didn't let on so much...I may be remembering this wrong...

I'm sure I will be shot down and corrected anyway...

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[gbatman]

I agree with a lot of the points behind this... But this just comes across as one giant melt at Voss and Austin.

Moir also is not a small forward, he's 190cm tall.

Mistakes have been made. Height is not relevant, he plays the role.

 

[Bagger24]

Edmund reporting we are into membrey still…FA. Worth a one year contact, always kills us

 

[BigFrizz36]

Mistakes have been made. Height is not relevant, he plays the role.

Of a medium forward, which is what he is?

 

[Coona Blues]

When a team is in their premiership window.

We are focusing ion the draft is code for, our cap is maxed out.

Only signing established players will convince me otherwise.

To a degree. I think we have the scope to “stress” the cap, should Houston come at the right price. I don’t think high profile trades were “the plan” leading in to this period.

Those “underwhelmed” by what we are looking at this year should prepare themselves for 2025. We are prepared to largely trade out of the draft next year for an extra pick (or trade) this year. We will have little capital left in 2025. Potentially we are preparing for a free agent, but I am not enamoured by the list coming up on a needs basis. We won’t be trading 2026 back to 2025, with Cody Walker being in 2026.

We have an unwieldy number of stars on big incomes, there is not much wriggle room. Then we will have the prospect of signing both Weitering and De Koning in the near future impacting the cap. Hopefully a couple of young break outs also apply some pressure.

Drafting reduces pressures on the cap. Drafting judiciously fills a couple of glaring gaps on the list. Austin clearly projected the need for run and skill, along with the need for a KPD. Two(or three) quality additions in that space along with the Campo boys and what they add to the midfield progression plans.

We have an established list able to contend. Some tweaks in personnel and preparation along with selection availability and possibly integrity will see us right.

 

[sweethoney]

We did pay overs thanks to Dodoro...

But this is what happens when we tell the whole world who we want before the trade week starts..

But Saad has been a welcome addition..

I think we got smarter with the Cerra trade and didn't let on so much...I may be remembering this wrong...

I'm sure I will be shot down and corrected anyway...

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100% with saad told everyone we wanted him and Essendon got wind we were going to try and split pick 8 if I recall correctly

 

[carlton_99]

Edmund reporting we are into membrey still…FA. Worth a one year contact, always kills us

“I wouldn’t shut the door”: Carlton interested in St Kilda key forward

“It is less likely than likely, but the door is ajar.”

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