Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII

[The Old Dark Navy's]

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[Bluebag13]

All types of “professionals” love getting on it, cos they can afford it and it’s good fun.

For an athlete, it’s better than a stint on the booze for recovery & the skin folds etc.

Just like players of yesteryear used to smash the grog on the w/ends, we’ve got players dabbling in their socialising, just like plenty of others in society. It’s not a big deal nor a problem or needs to be treated as an issue (getting caught seems like the problem at hand for players).

Sellers and the gang used to hit the pubs after training’s religiously and after-match + Sundays were another session. Different days but the same outlets apply for social activities with another type of stimulant.

agree with all of this except the nor a problem. It's clearly terrible for your physical and mental health and shouldnt be so easy to say oh just because everyone is doing it its not a problem. Its a problem for his and any other users health.

Also i get why you are saying this as related to football and society, but i want to just make the point clear

 

[Coops93]

Sorry, a little rant incoming.

Wishing Lij' all the best. We know what we'd be saying if it were a player from any other club, so I don't think it's unfair to say. Having said that, I still wish him the best.

Those being critical of contract, AFLPA etc. need to think more about how these sorts of issues are handled. There's certainly a rhetoric along the lines of 0 tolerance etc that come out of the public when it comes to footballers, or any athlete for that matter. When in reality we need to understand that this is a job for these guys. They're ultimately paid to be entertainers and business assets, it's not like your club down the road, sport is business whether we like it or not. As such, these contracts aren't black and white, condition this and condition that, and blame the AFLPA for making clubs soft on players now. Sure, there's clauses and conditions for everyone, but not a simple "Stuff up and you're out" type of deal that many seem to want.

Players being secure in their workplace is important. Most of the conditions assigned are quite progressive and player empowering, in the sense that it's about rehabilitation and getting better. People love to say name and shame, sack them all, whatever, but that really does nothing to help the situation, and in fact makes it worse, which studies have proven time and time again.

Sure, the way it is now there's an eye roll and a "yeah, sure..." response from the public, but his privacy and dignity are intact and support is being provided, which is a great position to be in in a trying time.

The approach the AFL, AFLPA and clubs take to these situations may be frustrating as fans, and members, think they need to know all of what is happening because they're our sports team. But we don't. The media doesn't help, with pundits everywhere saying we should know the strikes, how come on one is ever 3 striked etc, we need know this or that. All they want is that info so they can run story after story and segment after segment talking, badmouthing, players which they know will draw amazing ratings, but that's the worst possible thing for the individuals. Whether it's the AFL pushing it, or the players union (most likely), it's a good thing for the individuals that they take this approach, as frustrating as it is for those outside the industry.

 

[Bundy Bear Bogan]

Too talented of a player to move on

so was Chris Yarran but we did.
And reckon yarran had hollands covered for talent

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I get it that people want to know the details of what the circumstances are around Elijah, but club release statement, working within the guidelines of AFLPA/AFL

It's not necessarily about knowing the details, i'm fine with the club being secretive on this. But attempting to shut down discussion is silly.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

so was Chris Yarran but we did.
And reckon yarran had hollands covered for talent

Yep but that’s why we are giving him time off and helping him to overcome this. To stop this from becoming a yarren situation

 

[katmanblue]

Too talented of a player to move on

Said that about a few over recent years.

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[katmanblue]

so did Richmond...

Did they? In that case that's horrendous management on their part.

We also knew of Lij's issue.

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[Sweet Seventeen]

Yep but that’s why we are giving him time off and helping him to overcome this. To stop this from becoming a yarren situation

Chris Yarrens story is a very sad one and leaves me thinking that both the CFC and the RFC could possibly have done much

more to help him. Of course the black dog is a very difficult thing to beat.

Was reading Nathan Buckleys thoughts on the way the AFL and the AFLPA now handle these situations. He is very strong on

believing their is no place for illicit drugs in professional sport. He stated that when a young kid walks into a club, the first

thing he should here is. You can choose to take illicit drugs, or you can choose to be a professional footballer.

Not sure exactly where I stand on this right now. Yes, players welfare and mental health is extremely important.

Yet maybe this three strikes and you are out is not the ideal way to go about this.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Chris Yarrens story is a very sad one and leaves me thinking that both the CFC and the RFC could possibly have done much

more to help him. Of course the black dog is a very difficult thing to beat.

Was reading Nathan Buckleys thoughts on the way the AFL and the AFLPA now handle these situations. He is very strong on

believing their is no place for illicit drugs in professional sport. He stated that when a young kid walks into a club, the first

thing he should here is. You can choose to take illicit drugs, or you can choose to be a professional footballer.

Not sure exactly where I stand on this right now. Yes, players welfare and mental health is extremely important.

Yet maybe this three strikes and you are out is not the ideal way to go about this.

The thing is not every player using drugs has a mental health or addiction issue. I have been around a fair bit of recreational drug use, and for every 1 person that has a serious problem, many more are just having a good time. Obviously the type of drug matters too.

I can understand the AFL and AFLPA trying to make sure the right support is there. But I feel at the moment the system lends itself to allowing poor behaviour and using mental health as a way to skate by. Not in every case. I'm sure theres people who need help that benefit from this system, but for every one of them, there are probably nine guys just taking the p%$s.

 

[Aphrodite]

It's not necessarily about knowing the details, i'm fine with the club being secretive on this. But attempting to shut down discussion is silly.

Lost count on how many times this has been pointed out

From the stickied post:-

Moderators will intervene for a couple of reasons:-

2. If invested parties request the removal of material.





Also directly from the Club:-

Blues support Hollands in taking personal leave

The Carlton Football Club will continue to provide its full support to forward Elijah Hollands, who has made the decision to take a period of leave due to personal reasons.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Due to the personal nature of Hollands’ circumstances, the Club will not be providing any further ongoing commentary until it is necessary to do so, and politely asks for Hollands’ privacy to be respected during this time.

 

[Jatz]

Lost count on how many times this has been pointed out

From the stickied post:-

Moderators will intervene for a couple of reasons:-

2. If invested parties request the removal of material.





Also directly from the Club:-

Blues support Hollands in taking personal leave

The Carlton Football Club will continue to provide its full support to forward Elijah Hollands, who has made the decision to take a period of leave due to personal reasons.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Think they were talking about the club trying to shut down discussion, not this board.

 

[Aphrodite]

Think they were talking about the club trying to shut down discussion, not this board.

You can't see the deleted posts.

 

[Coops93]

The clubs trying to shut down the board?

 

[Aphrodite]

The clubs trying to shut down the board?

Why would they!

 

[bigblueboy]

so was Chris Yarran but we did.
And reckon yarran had hollands covered for talent

Maybe there’s some similarities between the way we dealt with Yarran and the way GCS did with Hollands.
Some clubs are better equipped to support players than others … and this capacity fluctuates over time.

 

[Arr0w]

Maybe there’s some similarities between the way we dealt with Yarran and the way GCS did with Hollands.
Some clubs are better equipped to support players than others … and this capacity fluctuates over time.

Ultimately it comes back to the individual

Stengle 3rd club, then you have the likes of Hunter, etc

 

[bigblueboy]

Ultimately it comes back to the individual

Stengle 3rd club, then you have the likes of Hunter, etc

I agree to a point. But every club has problematic players … and staff … some deal with it better than others. None are perfect.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Lost count on how many times this has been pointed out

From the stickied post:-

Moderators will intervene for a couple of reasons:-

2. If invested parties request the removal of material.





Also directly from the Club:-

Blues support Hollands in taking personal leave

The Carlton Football Club will continue to provide its full support to forward Elijah Hollands, who has made the decision to take a period of leave due to personal reasons.

www.carltonfc.com.au

That's my point though. While well intentioned, it is a bit silly for any interested party to try and shut down discussion. It would be akin to if last year, after a big loss and a pile up of injuries Andrew Russell requested we stop discussing Carlton's injury management.

 

[Bletch]

That's my point though. While well intentioned, it is a bit silly for any interested party to try and shut down discussion. It would be akin to if last year, after a big loss and a pile up of injuries Andrew Russell requested we stop discussing Carlton's injury management.

Without referring to the current situation, in general, the club is very limited about what it can say relating to illicit drug taking by players. This is from a year ago, but likely still relevant:

Some facts on the AFL Illicit Drugs Policy

The AFL has released a fact sheet on its Illicit Drugs Policy

www.afl.com.au

"Every Australian has the right to confidentiality of their medical information. While the AFL's Illicit Drug Policy involves a multidisciplinary healthcare management plan, the monitoring of players is highly confidential, and a doctor or healthcare professional cannot disclose the nature of the clinical intervention or condition to others unless the player willingly consents."

So unless such a player willingly comes out in the press and discusses their situation, it will remain private.

 

[jezza25]

Too talented of a player to move on

Didn’t seem to bother GC

 

[sparkybagger]

Was reading Nathan Buckleys thoughts on the way the AFL and the AFLPA now handle these situations. He is very strong on

believing their is no place for illicit drugs in professional sport. He stated that when a young kid walks into a club, the first

thing he should here is. You can choose to take illicit drugs, or you can choose to be a professional footballer.

Not a dig at the poster, but I guess FIGJAM doesn't apply that logic to alcohol given the amount of times during his playing days I saw him staggering around blind drunk in Brunswick St back in the day. Yes, alcohol is legal but if his argument is about professional standards, he certainly didn't apply them to himself in that regard. No one is perfect.

I wouldn't be taking life lessons from FIGJAM.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Without referring to the current situation, in general, the club is very limited about what it can say relating to illicit drug taking by players. This is from a year ago, but likely still relevant:

Some facts on the AFL Illicit Drugs Policy

The AFL has released a fact sheet on its Illicit Drugs Policy

www.afl.com.au

"Every Australian has the right to confidentiality of their medical information. While the AFL's Illicit Drug Policy involves a multidisciplinary healthcare management plan, the monitoring of players is highly confidential, and a doctor or healthcare professional cannot disclose the nature of the clinical intervention or condition to others unless the player willingly consents."

So unless such a player willingly comes out in the press and discusses their situation, it will remain private.

Exactly and I suspect that is the case and have absolutely no issue with that. Attempting to limit what individuals can discuss in public about matters is not the same though.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Attempting to limit what individuals can discuss in public about matters is not the same though.

Who's trying to limit discussion other than the club stating they won't be adding to the statement?

 

[katmanblue]

Exactly and I suspect that is the case and have absolutely no issue with that. Attempting to limit what individuals can discuss in public about matters is not the same though.

The reason we can have decent discussions here is because of the rules we agree to abide by. It's why some posters get banned or warned etc for continued breaches. This board all the better for it.

Otherwise it'll turn into a shit fest like you'll find on instabooktok.

There's a reason I stay away from those for footy discussion.

No one is limiting what you can discuss in public. Just here.

No is stopping anyone going over to those cesspools and wading through the crap. Mods are just ensuring they don't track it all over the carpets when they come back.


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[HyphensBack]

All I hope is Elijah gets the support he needs and comes out the other side