News Blues stick to draft guns

[Silvagnis]

From my point of view, his comment in this case doesnt appease the masses at all, but would rather frustrate them.

The masses probably read the Herald-Sun.

The Save Fevola group should run the club and be listened to if the masses knew what they were talking about.

30yearblue summed it up beautifully.

Doza deserved a slap after calling it the

the worst excuse ever from someone involved in such a professional organisation. Pathetic...

We have a five year plan...

If you've studied for two years to prepare for an exam, why would you throw out all that work and answer the questions incorrectly to make someone else happy?

You're swallowing the media's crap via their editing to make a story out of nothing.

And you're going back for seconds.

 

[40yearBLUE]

This is all judgement based and unless you are WHs, you cant represent the facts. Watching some of his media presentations, it certainly comes across that he is not that comfortable and may let honest things slip out. From my point of view, his comment in this case doesnt appease the masses at all, but would rather frustrate them.

I just find it a bit funny both Doza and you see the quote and have different views but his his view is automatically wrong.

PS

I know you are not having a dig at Doza but you are taking the high moral ground without anything of substance.

Got an agenda much?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Got an agenda much?

Agenda is to keep these discussion fair 30yb.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Nice job of the Rookie Draft on face value. Seem to have an excellent mix, including a mix in the type of talls.

If he took Talia at pick 12 he'd have got full marks as the rest was good in both the ND and Rookie Draft.

 

[LemmingMaster]

If he took Talia at pick 12 he'd have got full marks as the rest was good in both the ND and Rookie Draft.

Who would have given him full marks?

If you combine the trade period with the two drafts, I think we've added some quality players in key areas.

1. Henderson - Highly rated key position forward having learnt under Leigh Mathews, Voss, Brown and Bradshaw. Some very nice role models in that group.
2. McLean - Tough inside midfielder that has played out of position for many seasons with Melbourne. He has some injury risks, but when free from injury has huge potential.
3. Lucas - Rated anywhere from 6th-15th in the draft and adds to our midfield rotations.
4. Davies - A tough as nails 3rd tall defender that adds to our Tasmanian crew, take no prisoners styled play.
5. Kerr - Highly talented late draft pick, which is a project player and worth the risk.

6. Donaldson, White, Dare and Casboult - Some versitle talls for the forwards and backs.
7. Cachie - Another tough inside midfielder with speed, endurance and a clearance and contested possession specialist.

There is a great combination of best available in the main draft, with the rookie draft used to also gain best available and cover some needs.

We've brought in roughly 6 talls and 4 short players from the trading and drafting period. If you look at the total package, on face value it looks like a good mix.

Unlike many sections of Carlton supporters, I think we really lacked one or two quality inside midfielders and this has been addressed in the offseason.

Considering the situration that Fevola left the Carlton football club in, to turn him into Henderson, was a bonus. I am much happier having a potential long term prospect in Henderson, over the short term prospect of Bradshaw.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Agenda is to keep these discussion fair 30yb.

Well now lets see shall we:

Fair 1

Definition: Free from spots, specks, dirt, or imperfection; unblemished; clean; pure.

Your post certainly arent free from imperfection so no.

Fair 2

Definition: Pleasing to the eye; handsome; beautiful. Also a no!!

Fair 3

Definition: Without a dark hue; light; clear; as, a fair skin. Maybe, racist

Fair 4

Definition: Not overcast; cloudless; clear; pleasant; propitious; favorable; said of the sky, weather, or wind, etc.; as, a fair sky; a fair day. OK you can have this one

Fair 5

Definition: Free from obstacles or hindrances; unobstructed; unincumbered; open; direct; said of a road, passage, etc.; as, a fair mark; in fair sight; a fair view. No definite hindrances and obstructions here

Fair 6

Definition: Without sudden change of direction or curvature; smooth; fowing; said of the figure of a vessel, and of surfaces, water lines, and other lines. YES you certainly have maintained your bias agenda so yes this fits

Fair 7

Definition: Characterized by frankness, honesty, impartiality, or candor; open; upright; free from suspicion or bias; equitable; just; said of persons, character, or conduct; as, a fair man; fair dealing; a fair statement. Impartiality HAH definitely not.

Fair 8

Definition: Pleasing; favorable; inspiring hope and confidence; said of words, promises, etc. None of these

Fair 9

Definition: Distinct; legible; as, fair handwriting. Legible yes, make any sense no

Fair 10

Definition: Free from any marked characteristic; average; middling; as, a fair specimen. Oh you are marked now no doubt about that

Fair 11

Definition: Clearly; openly; frankly; civilly; honestly; favorably; auspiciously; agreeably. Nothing agreeable here

Fair 12

Definition: Fairness, beauty. Yeah right

Fair 13

Definition: A fair woman; a sweetheart. You might be

Fair 14

Definition: Good fortune; good luck. Not ours

Fair 15

Definition: To make fair or beautiful. See answer 12

Fair 16

Definition: A gathering of buyers and sellers, assembled at a particular place with their merchandise at a stated or regular season, or by special appointment, for trade. Resembles a bazaar here sometimes

Fair 17

Definition: A festival, and sale of fancy articles. erc., usually for some charitable object; as, a Grand Army fair. What tha

fair 18

Definition: a traveling show; having sideshows and rides and games of skill etc. Yes its a travelling show

fair 19

Definition: a sale of miscellany; often for charity; "the church bazaar" Yeah we did this one

fair 20

Definition: a competitive exhibition of farm products; "she won a blue ribbon for her baking at the county fair" perhaps you would be better suited to a forum on farm products

fair 21

Definition: gathering of producers to promote business; "world fair"; "trade fair"; "book fair" This is getting a bit repetetive

fair 22

Definition: join so that the external surfaces blend smoothly there is nothing smooth about the way you have blended

fair 23

Definition: very pleasing to the eye; "my bonny lass"; "there''s a bonny bay beyond"; "a comely face"; "young fair maidens" Another what tha

fair 24

Definition: visually appealing; "our fair city" Yada Yada

fair 25

Definition: (used of hair or skin) pale or light-colored; "a fair complexion"; racist

fair 26

Definition: free of clouds or rain; "today will be fair and warm" as opposed to dark and moody

fair 27

Definition: (of a baseball) hit between the foul lines; "he hit a fair ball over the third base bag" Not our boys, too short

fair 28

Definition: free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception; or conforming with established standards or rules; "a fair referee"; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a fair fight"; "by fair means or foul" Oh yeah, free from favoritism is gonna rub with the readers

fair 29

Definition: (of a manuscript) having few alterations or corrections; "fair copy"; "a clean manuscript" have you read some of your posts

fair 30

Definition: not excessive or extreme; "a fairish income"; "reasonable prices" OK this is starting to go on a bit now

fair 31

Definition: of no exceptional quality or ability; "a novel of average merit"; "only a fair performance of the sonata"; "in fair health"; "the caliber of the students has gone from mediocre to above average"; "the performance was middling at best" Now this sums up most of your posts

fair 32

Definition: showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge" didnt we do this one already and no you dont display these character traits

fair 33

Definition: more than adequate in quality; "fair work" Its almost over

fair 34

Definition: in a fair evenhanded manner; "deal fairly with one another" I think this is what you are looking for but would or should at least display that if you expect it

fair 35

Definition: in conformity with the rules or laws and without fraud or cheating; "they played fairly" Last one and no you do not conform to the rules of debating, evidence would be a good start

Definition 34 is my guess at what you meant, 28 is what most readers will think you apply

If you read this far you are madder than I am

http://ardictionary.com/Fair/299

 

[The Toad]

Well now lets see shall we:


If you read this far you are madder than I am

http://ardictionary.com/Fair/299

A+ for effort 30year.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Well now lets see shall we:

Fair 1

Definition: Free from spots, specks, dirt, or imperfection; unblemished; clean; pure.

Your post certainly arent free from imperfection so no.

Fair 2

Definition: Pleasing to the eye; handsome; beautiful. Also a no!!

Fair 3

Definition: Without a dark hue; light; clear; as, a fair skin. Maybe, racist

Fair 4

Definition: Not overcast; cloudless; clear; pleasant; propitious; favorable; said of the sky, weather, or wind, etc.; as, a fair sky; a fair day. OK you can have this one

Fair 5

Definition: Free from obstacles or hindrances; unobstructed; unincumbered; open; direct; said of a road, passage, etc.; as, a fair mark; in fair sight; a fair view. No definite hindrances and obstructions here

Fair 6

Definition: Without sudden change of direction or curvature; smooth; fowing; said of the figure of a vessel, and of surfaces, water lines, and other lines. YES you certainly have maintained your bias agenda so yes this fits

Fair 7

Definition: Characterized by frankness, honesty, impartiality, or candor; open; upright; free from suspicion or bias; equitable; just; said of persons, character, or conduct; as, a fair man; fair dealing; a fair statement. Impartiality HAH definitely not.

Fair 8

Definition: Pleasing; favorable; inspiring hope and confidence; said of words, promises, etc. None of these

Fair 9

Definition: Distinct; legible; as, fair handwriting. Legible yes, make any sense no

Fair 10

Definition: Free from any marked characteristic; average; middling; as, a fair specimen. Oh you are marked now no doubt about that

Fair 11

Definition: Clearly; openly; frankly; civilly; honestly; favorably; auspiciously; agreeably. Nothing agreeable here

Fair 12

Definition: Fairness, beauty. Yeah right

Fair 13

Definition: A fair woman; a sweetheart. You might be

Fair 14

Definition: Good fortune; good luck. Not ours

Fair 15

Definition: To make fair or beautiful. See answer 12

Fair 16

Definition: A gathering of buyers and sellers, assembled at a particular place with their merchandise at a stated or regular season, or by special appointment, for trade. Resembles a bazaar here sometimes

Fair 17

Definition: A festival, and sale of fancy articles. erc., usually for some charitable object; as, a Grand Army fair. What tha

fair 18

Definition: a traveling show; having sideshows and rides and games of skill etc. Yes its a travelling show

fair 19

Definition: a sale of miscellany; often for charity; "the church bazaar" Yeah we did this one

fair 20

Definition: a competitive exhibition of farm products; "she won a blue ribbon for her baking at the county fair" perhaps you would be better suited to a forum on farm products

fair 21

Definition: gathering of producers to promote business; "world fair"; "trade fair"; "book fair" This is getting a bit repetetive

fair 22

Definition: join so that the external surfaces blend smoothly there is nothing smooth about the way you have blended

fair 23

Definition: very pleasing to the eye; "my bonny lass"; "there''s a bonny bay beyond"; "a comely face"; "young fair maidens" Another what tha

fair 24

Definition: visually appealing; "our fair city" Yada Yada

fair 25

Definition: (used of hair or skin) pale or light-colored; "a fair complexion"; racist

fair 26

Definition: free of clouds or rain; "today will be fair and warm" as opposed to dark and moody

fair 27

Definition: (of a baseball) hit between the foul lines; "he hit a fair ball over the third base bag" Not our boys, too short

fair 28

Definition: free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception; or conforming with established standards or rules; "a fair referee"; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a fair fight"; "by fair means or foul" Oh yeah, free from favoritism is gonna rub with the readers

fair 29

Definition: (of a manuscript) having few alterations or corrections; "fair copy"; "a clean manuscript" have you read some of your posts

fair 30

Definition: not excessive or extreme; "a fairish income"; "reasonable prices" OK this is starting to go on a bit now

fair 31

Definition: of no exceptional quality or ability; "a novel of average merit"; "only a fair performance of the sonata"; "in fair health"; "the caliber of the students has gone from mediocre to above average"; "the performance was middling at best" Now this sums up most of your posts

fair 32

Definition: showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge" didnt we do this one already and no you dont display these character traits

fair 33

Definition: more than adequate in quality; "fair work" Its almost over

fair 34

Definition: in a fair evenhanded manner; "deal fairly with one another" I think this is what you are looking for but would or should at least display that if you expect it

fair 35

Definition: in conformity with the rules or laws and without fraud or cheating; "they played fairly" Last one and no you do not conform to the rules of debating, evidence would be a good start

Definition 34 is my guess at what you meant, 28 is what most readers will think you apply

If you read this far you are madder than I am

http://ardictionary.com/Fair/299

Gold!

I'm going to pay that one 30yb. You have been making a little bit of a comeback with your posts recently!

 

[Doza]

I find this thing so amusing. People like The General keep telling me I am wrong, we have a plan. When did I ever argue with the plan??? Get off your agenda people. I was talking about the comments made by Hughes to the media. If he said we have a plan and we want to stick to it, then fine. But to me it more sounded like he said, we didn't have time to change. Could very well be a joke on purpose, or came out wrong because he is not the best in the media, but my point was I didn't think it was a good comment and I don't believe it appeases anyone. That's all.

Now if the directive is to change from now on, for example instead of best available, best available over 190cm then that whole effort of watching players starts over and the list above starts again so that we have a list to choose from next draft that conforms with the new directive. It cannot be done 2 weeks before draft.

30yb thanks for a considered post. I have no doubt the list takes years of work. But I have my doubts over needing to redo it. If they decided that talls was the way to go, then they jump to the next best tall on their list. Otherwise what you are saying is they decide their needs 2 to 3 years out and then build a list and are stuck with it. I would have thought they need to be a bit more dynamic than that.

 

[Blue Ratts]

I dunno why ppl get so upset with WH flippant remarks..The simple facts are that he has a professional job and goes about it in a professional manner.He was employed to do a particular job and in his career he has the runs on the board. His job is highly speculative so to do it well he has to get the best imformation available (from a club needs perspective and a TALENT pool perspective ) and select what he believes to be the best for the club. Given that this is what he does I would suspect that having to rationalise every decision to some media shark or couch bf spud would be a tad testing, especially when you consider that in his line of work you already live and die by the sword. He has the runs on the board..

 

[Silvagnis]

I find this thing so amusing. People like The General keep telling me I am wrong, we have a plan. When did I ever argue with the plan??? Get off your agenda people. I was talking about the comments made by Hughes to the media. If he said we have a plan and we want to stick to it, then fine. But to me it more sounded like he said, we didn't have time to change. Could very well be a joke on purpose, or came out wrong because he is not the best in the media, but my point was I didn't think it was a good comment and I don't believe it appeases anyone. That's all.

True that.

Your posts are always overtly negative.

Which is fine if you can back it up with something concrete.

You don't.

I guess that's the lot of allowing every uninformed person with access to the media the right to spread their interpretations and views as facts.

SEN had Carlton suppporters saying they wanted to play Mclean as a HBF.

With that lack of intellect, they could get a gig as a mod on the Richmond board.


If you think Hughes is a poor media performer, have a listen to the Rendell interview on 5AA.

Then listen to Hughes' interview on Youtube.

Hughes is a good honest performer, but just hates the media who twist his words to make a story.

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Your posts are always overtly negative.

Which is fine if you can back it up with something concrete.

What's the difference between that and overly positive posters, who make claims that also have nothing concrete to back them up, such as saying a player who has played a handful of games, wasn't a high draft pick, and hasn't set the VFL or training track on fire will be a solid player coming through for the club and that we can count on them to fill a certain hole in the future?

Got an agenda much?

The irony. The agenda of the overly positive posters far exceeds the agenda of most negative posters. A bloke can't make a negative post on this board without getting shot down by the positivity crusaders.

 

[40yearBLUE]

What's the difference between that and overly positive posters, who make claims that also have nothing concrete to back them up, such as saying a player who has played a handful of games, wasn't a high draft pick, and hasn't set the VFL or training track on fire will be a solid player coming through for the club and that we can count on them to fill a certain hole in the future?



The irony. The agenda of the overly positive posters far exceeds the agenda of most negative posters. A bloke can't make a negative post on this board without getting shot down by the positivity crusaders.

Show me the facts mate, Cant beat those facts. Shame about that though cos it gets in the way of most OPINIONS. Go have a look at the pos v neg arguments and you will see opinion after baseless opinion vs fact after fact. (generalization I know but most negative posters are too lazy to go looking for facts or perhaps they cant find any to support their position). I cant help it if you people (negative posters) lead with your chins all the time then complain when you keep getting smashed on it. By all means have an opinion, we all got one, BUT................Bring me some facts. THATS MY AGENDA.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Show me the facts mate, Cant beat those facts. Shame about that though cos it gets in the way of most OPINIONS. Go have a look at the pos v neg arguments and you will see opinion after baseless opinion vs fact after fact. (generalization I know but most negative posters are too lazy to go looking for facts or perhaps they cant find any to support their position). I cant help it if you people (negative posters) lead with your chins all the time then complain when you keep getting smashed on it. By all means have an opinion, we all got one, BUT................Bring me some facts. THATS MY AGENDA.

No real offence intended 30yb, but i think you might be confusing facts with personal opinion. Both splendini and thegeneral and a lot of others spread their opinion and make good points...but don't include many concrete facts at all.

Note: By definition, most factual arguments require verification by data, something just about all posters on this forum don't or cant include. E.g. on the argument of drafting best available (Carlton) versus needs drafting within reason (Hawthorn) - this debate is an opinion based argument. No one on here has provided conclusive factual evidence on which has proven the best method Carlton or Hawthorn.

Probably more accurate for you to say "I think splendini and thegeneral are spot on in their analysis and positive methodology and club support, and I personally back them over your posts any day.

 

[Sin City]

You really have no idea BG2011.

Whether you like them or not, Splendini and TG are probably the two best posters at producing facts, if you need any proof have a look at any thread on this board about our new draftees, potential draftees or on the Blues Buddy Draft player profiles.

Grow up and quit trolling.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

You really have no idea BG2011.

Whether you like them or not, Splendini and TG are probably the two best posters at producing facts, if you need any proof have a look at any thread on this board about our new draftees, potential draftees or on the Blues Buddy Draft player profiles.

Grow up and quit trolling.

Yes sir Sin city.

BTW, how old are you?

 

[Sin City]

Yes sir Sin city.

BTW, how old are you?

I am 28, but I'm taken. Sorry.

 

[The Toad]

I am 28, but I'm taken. Sorry.

Game over. We have a winner.

 

[thylacine60]

I am 28, but I'm taken. Sorry.

Complete tool.

 

[40yearBLUE]

No real offence intended 30yb, but i think you might be confusing facts with personal opinion. Both splendini and thegeneral and a lot of others spread their opinion and make good points...but don't include many concrete facts at all.

Note: By definition, most factual arguments require verification by data, something just about all posters on this forum don't or cant include. E.g. on the argument of drafting best available (Carlton) versus needs drafting within reason (Hawthorn) - this debate is an opinion based argument. No one on here has provided conclusive factual evidence on which has proven the best method Carlton or Hawthorn.

Probably more accurate for you to say "I think splendini and thegeneral are spot on in their analysis and positive methodology and club support, and I personally back them over your posts any day.

My comment wasnt confined to the talia lovers threads, but any anti the way we do things vs baseless opinions on how we ought to be doing things. Here is where your argument falls down, and pay attention cos its a biggie.

You are arguing for change, change in the way things are being done. In order to convince others here YOU not the defenders of the way we are doing things need to provide EVIDENCE. Evidence so convincing that it has people saying hmmmm maybe he has something there and maybe the collective wisdom of the paid professionals at our club is misguided. That is an extremely tall ask. And in response to it you bought what? A perpetuation of a myth that we are key position PROSPECT poor. Not key position player poor we all agree we dont have a ready made replacement for FF and have not had an established CHF and CHB for a while and whilst the backline is starting to be put in place CHB is still somewhat undecided. We all know that, but we have plenty of KP prospects, and adding another from a weak draft does nothing to remedy that now. It may have offered some depth at best in some years to come, probably wont with what was on offer. And compared to what was on offer in best available...pffft I cant believe there are numbnuts out there that still dont see it, but there you go, it takes all IQ's. But these are all facts YOU must present not the defenders. You are trying to change conventional wisdom so the burden of proof is with you. So far you have failed D I S M A L L Y. No offence.

 

[BlueTongue]

Show me the facts mate, Cant beat those facts. Shame about that though cos it gets in the way of most OPINIONS. Go have a look at the pos v neg arguments and you will see opinion after baseless opinion vs fact after fact. (generalization I know but most negative posters are too lazy to go looking for facts or perhaps they cant find any to support their position). I cant help it if you people (negative posters) lead with your chins all the time then complain when you keep getting smashed on it. By all means have an opinion, we all got one, BUT................Bring me some facts. THATS MY AGENDA.

I doubt very much there would be a BigFooty if people stuck purely to facts and didn't offer an opinion.

So the 'negative posters' are the only lazy ones here? Surely not those who ride on the back of whatever research Wayne Hughes has done, openly spout "I trust Wayne Hughes..." only to then attack others for offering altenate opinions? No they aren't lazy...

Your agenda wouldn't happen to be stirring up sh1t though would it? No, facts are all you are about... Have we got it wrong again?

You'll probably say it's just a harmless joke etc. etc, and then be the first to start sooking again when the threads fill up with with people trying to argue their point.

If you are gonna let facts be your agenda, then stick to facts and stop shooting down others opinions.

 

[Doza]

If you are gonna let facts be your agenda, then stick to facts and stop shooting down others opinions.

Here here. I love it when people say stick to the facts and then fill post after post with opinion. Most posts on here, by their very nature, are opinion based.

General - I posted one thing about a comment a Carlton official made. I know you are the King of the World and everything, but can you stop personally attacking me when you know nothing about me? Ok thanks, that would be great. I am not the ill-informed, SEN listening person you think I am.
*Bows in his presence* *Begs for Forgiveness for speaking rudely to the King...I mean the General*

 

[40yearBLUE]

I doubt very much there would be a BigFooty if people stuck purely to facts and didn't offer an opinion.

So the 'negative posters' are the only lazy ones here? Surely not those who ride on the back of whatever research Wayne Hughes has done, openly spout "I trust Wayne Hughes..." only to then attack others for offering altenate opinions? No they aren't lazy...

Your agenda wouldn't happen to be stirring up sh1t though would it? No, facts are all you are about... Have we got it wrong again?

You'll probably say it's just a harmless joke etc. etc, and then be the first to start sooking again when the threads fill up with with people trying to argue their point.

If you are gonna let facts be your agenda, then stick to facts and stop shooting down others opinions.

As I said to BG2011, and will repeat for you because you may have been typing your rant whilst I was typing mine, YOU are the one that needs to furnish facts. YOU sir, not I nor any other of the people satisfied with the progress the club is making. YOU sir, and where are they? Narry a fact in sight, just attacks on those asking you to furnish them. And you wonder why some of us have short tolerances for fools on here? Heres some irrefutable evidence for you. We have been improving constantly under the current management and the way things are done. Where is your improvement?

 

[DonFletch]

FFS people, we are the NAVY BLUES...is it just me, or has this forum descended closer to yellow and black?

 

[40yearBLUE]

FFS people, we are the NAVY BLUES...is it just me, or has this forum descended closer to yellow and black?

Careful there Fletch or someone might suggest we could do much better if we were the SKY blues. Malcontents will always find something to complain about.