Brendan Fevola Trade Thread

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

That's right, unless you're able to steal Fev from Carlton, Carlton's immoral

It's not that Carlton's immoral it's that there are too many question marks.
Has Fev burnt all bridges at Carlton?

If so, then he cannot possibly be kept because "no satisfied trade was offered".

Are the Blues just shopping him as a scare tactic?

If so, then no club will be willing to meet the demand and requirements to facilitate a trade, pay his salary and take on the risks involved.

I am just saying, if the Blues are adamant he will not be at Visy Park next season, they cannot expect to receive a favourable deal. Beggers cannot be choosers.

FWIW, I think he will be at Carlton next season.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Re: Fev trade

If the rumours going round about Fev at the Brownlow are true, then they can’t possibly keep him at the club, but that is what every club should let happen, don’t offer them anything, then see what they do, that only gives them 2 choices, keep him or sack him. If they sack him, they get to pay the bill, if they keep him, we can all sit back and watch them self destruct.

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Bingo LL!

Any club (not just us) should offer them nothing and see what they do.

Are they serious or desperate to move him on?

Is this all smoke and mirrors?

Do they still want him?

I'd sit, wait and make an 11th hour bid (not offering our first pick or young KPP) and see if they bite.

If not, they keep Fev.

We move on and continue without him like we've been doing.

 

[dumb]

Re: Fev trade

those are good tactics which most clubs probably go through. however, consider also the more desperate they are to offload him, the worse he may have done which might come home to roost at collingwood. as a bad example, you get him for a 4th rounder because he r*ped someone. i wish like everyone else i knew what happened (after trade week, perhaps..)

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

The above decision is ridiculous. As a club you have only your clubs best interest in mind. If a club feels Fev is worth the risk and will make them better then they would be ludicris to miss the oppertunity out of trying to shaft carlton.

Sure you take advantage of the situation slightly but you don't make a token offer and throw mud. If Carlton are 100% forced to keep Fev because we offer a 2nd round pick and Shannon Cox then we have missed an oppertunity for no reason other then arrogance and stupidity.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Fev trade

The above decision is ridiculous. As a club you have only your clubs best interest in mind. If a club feels Fev is worth the risk and will make them better then they would be ludicris to miss the oppertunity out of trying to shaft carlton.

Sure you take advantage of the situation slightly but you don't make a token offer and throw mud. If Carlton are 100% forced to keep Fev because we offer a 2nd round pick and Shannon Cox then we have missed an oppertunity for no reason other then arrogance and stupidity.

So true it needs to be quoted.

Complete stupidity if we miss out on an elite player just because we want to test out how genuine Carlton are. Couldn't get a **** if they're genuine or not if we get Fev.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Re: Fev trade

The above decision is ridiculous. As a club you have only your clubs best interest in mind. If a club feels Fev is worth the risk and will make them better then they would be ludicris to miss the oppertunity out of trying to shaft carlton.

Sure you take advantage of the situation slightly but you don't make a token offer and throw mud. If Carlton are 100% forced to keep Fev because we offer a 2nd round pick and Shannon Cox then we have missed an oppertunity for no reason other then arrogance and stupidity.

But do you really think that we need him, he could be more trouble than he is worth. I'd rather see him take them down than us.

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

The above decision is ridiculous. As a club you have only your clubs best interest in mind. If a club feels Fev is worth the risk and will make them better then they would be ludicris to miss the oppertunity out of trying to shaft carlton.

Sure you take advantage of the situation slightly but you don't make a token offer and throw mud. If Carlton are 100% forced to keep Fev because we offer a 2nd round pick and Shannon Cox then we have missed an oppertunity for no reason other then arrogance and stupidity.

They aren't forced to do anything.

The decision is entirely Carlton's.

Either they want him or they don't.

Also, I wasn't suggesting to throw mud at them but I'd put an offer of a 2nd round pick + Dawes.

I wouldn't be offering Jack, Cloke, Reid, Brown etc.

I'd also be reluctant to offer pick 14 too, considering all the variables.

Going by my above two statements, the club is thinking the same way at the moment too (if you believe Denham).

Having said all this, I'm sure the club will make the best decision and I think that decision should be left to Hine and only Hine IMO. Ed is compromised (friendship with Fev and we all know he would love to get one back on Carlton for poaching Swann). Mick too could jeopardise our future and Bucks' tenure as coach by selling away the long term in pursuit for the flag in his final 2 seasons. I may be looking too much into it but I think it is fair to suggest this.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Fev trade

Also, I wasn't suggesting to throw mud at them but I'd put an offer of a 2nd round pick + Dawes.

Uh, you suggested throwing nothing at all at them....

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Uh, you suggested throwing nothing at all at them....

Up until the 11th hour...

 

[NT.Thunder]

Re: Fev trade

But do you really think that we need him, he could be more trouble than he is worth. I'd rather see him take them down than us.

If we are looking at a premiership window of the next 3 years, then he would be the most important and influential player that we could ever hope for. This is by far our biggest deficiency IMO. We are a club that thrives on numerous players getting in and kicking goals. We always have a multitude of goal scorers and rarely ever someone who kicks a bag of more then three.

Now add a guy who more then likely will kick 80+ goals a year and that's a golden opportunity to get our hands on a premiership cup.

Now i believe the club thinks that we are in the window for a premiership, otherwise would they sign MM again with Bucks lying in waiting.

If the club didnt think we were a chance the MM would be gone.

Fev is the missing piece of the jigsaw that has the potential to take us all the way. Without him we dont have the firepower to get across the line. We will always be there abouts, but we won't finnish it.

Fev aparently is a good clubman and good with the younger guys. Just a dick on the piss. We all know alot of these guys.

I would rather see Fev take us up then see Fev take Carlton up.

This is a massive chance and it's well worth the risk.

Lifes too short to wonder 'what could have been'

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

But do you really think that we need him, he could be more trouble than he is worth. I'd rather see him take them down than us.

Do we need him? That is hard to answer. Will he make us a better team? 100% without a doubt yes.

Youth is the best marketing tool in football. It seems every year there is 1 or two teams in their "premiership window" and 14 or 15 "young, talanted sides on the way up"

We are a top 4 side now any chance at improving our side and working towards and getting closer to a premiership should be taken advantage of, If hypothetically pick 14 and Dawes or Goldsack would get the job done we'd be silly not to offer it IMO.

We are genuine contenders now. If we take a KPP the improvement is not likely to be seen for another 2-3 years. If we take a mid they'd have to be amazing to break into the side and if they are that good what chance are they of being there at 14?

Dawes on the other hand is not in our best 22 currently so we don't lose anything from our current side. He hasn't shown anything to really make you confident long term either and on top of all this plays a role that would mean he more then likely either has to push Cloke out for him to have a role in which he is having a massive impact.

Goldsack is a riskier trade but still do able IMO. He is a chance of bulking up and playing KP but at his age I am not confident that he ever will. Which means he will be competing with Harry and Maxwell for that medium size defensive role.

Meanwhile we gain a 80-100 goal foward. That makes us a better team IMO.

 

[stui magpie]

Re: Fev trade

Give em stuff all for him. If they don't like it they can keep him or sack him.

he's not elite, he's just a good FF. FFS, he's been suspended by his own club for poor body language on the field. he's a champ when every thing goes his way and a spoiled sooky 2 year old when they don't.

How many finals have Carlton won while he was there?

He'd have value to us as a forward provided he left his ego at price fixer park and grew up when he came over, provided he doesn't cost much.

30 year old immature sulky bitch who's won club has finally got sick of his behaviour and people are talking about giving them kids we've invested 3 years into who are potential 10 year players? Get a grip.

People say you have to give quality to get quality - that's unadulterated crap. Closer to the truth would be another old saying "one man's trash is another's treasure"

ATM, Fev is trash to Carlton. He aint treasure to us but he could be useful. So we offer something appropriate in line with what Carlton can use. If they knock it back, stuff em.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Re: Fev trade

Do we need him? That is hard to answer. Will he make us a better team? 100% without a doubt yes.

Youth is the best marketing tool in football. It seems every year there is 1 or two teams in their "premiership window" and 14 or 15 "young, talanted sides on the way up"

We are a top 4 side now any chance at improving our side and working towards and getting closer to a premiership should be taken advantage of, If hypothetically pick 14 and Dawes or Goldsack would get the job done we'd be silly not to offer it IMO.

We are genuine contenders now. If we take a KPP the improvement is not likely to be seen for another 2-3 years. If we take a mid they'd have to be amazing to break into the side and if they are that good what chance are they of being there at 14?

Dawes on the other hand is not in our best 22 currently so we don't lose anything from our current side. He hasn't shown anything to really make you confident long term either and on top of all this plays a role that would mean he more then likely either has to push Cloke out for him to have a role in which he is having a massive impact.

Goldsack is a riskier trade but still do able IMO. He is a chance of bulking up and playing KP but at his age I am not confident that he ever will. Which means he will be competing with Harry and Maxwell for that medium size defensive role.

Meanwhile we gain a 80-100 goal foward. That makes us a better team IMO.

Thats if they agree with what we offer, and then if Fev commits. IMO I don't think they would want him to go to Collingwood, I think B/L are the front runners.FWIW I would agree that if Fev commits to us, then we would be a better team with him. But he has had a lot of chances to pull his head in at Carlton, what makes you think he will at Collingwood.

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

If you get a misguided individual and don't pull them into line because your scared too because you need them ( as has been the case with Fev) it's always going to come to this.

Fev wants to play in a premiership before he retires, he hasn't been in a side where that has been a realistic possiblity for his whole career nor has he had a proper wake up call or a club willing to give it to him.

Get him in a side that's a realistic premiership chance, put behavioural clauses in his contract and I doubt even Fev would be dumb enough to muck it up.

The keep or sack him notion would make sense if we weren't a chance or if he wasn't going to improve our chances but the fact are the answer to both is yes. Also when coming up with potential trades you have to remember we aren't the only club who could benifit from Fev's services if he was going for a 3rd round pick or something similar.

If you want something you have to go out and get it, not sit back and hope it falls into your lap. The question is do we think he will make us a better side and how much do we want to be one?

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

ST09, I do agree with much of what you say.

We will be a better team with Fev because good players make you better.
However, for me, it's all about the "at what cost"?

Pick 14 and Dawes is probably the absolute maximum I would consider and even then I have my reservations because I have no doubt Hine has something up his sleeve and wants to continue with youth.

What I ask you is, are you prepared to give away players such as Brown/Reid/Anthony/Cloke + pick 14 to get Fev? I certainly am not prepared to part with any of those. As I've said, Dawes is the only one we should/can consider at the moment because the others are of vital importance to our present and future.

I'd still like to play hardball though and see where the Blues sit on this because we have heard nothing really. All they have said is they are going to try and "secure a trade". They may want alot more than what we are prepared to offer or what we consider reasonable for a player that is being turfed.

At the end of the day, I still think this is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Re: Fev trade

Give em stuff all for him. If they don't like it they can keep him or sack him.

he's not elite, he's just a good FF. FFS, he's been suspended by his own club for poor body language on the field. he's a champ when every thing goes his way and a spoiled sooky 2 year old when they don't.

How many finals have Carlton won while he was there?

He'd have value to us as a forward provided he left his ego at price fixer park and grew up when he came over, provided he doesn't cost much.

30 year old immature sulky bitch who's won club has finally got sick of his behaviour and people are talking about giving them kids we've invested 3 years into who are potential 10 year players? Get a grip.

People say you have to give quality to get quality - that's unadulterated crap. Closer to the truth would be another old saying "one man's trash is another's treasure"

ATM, Fev is trash to Carlton. He aint treasure to us but he could be useful. So we offer something appropriate in line with what Carlton can use. If they knock it back, stuff em.

Well, firstly i'm not a big fan of Fev. But i am of his football. I'm not sure how you class 'Elite' but I would class it as being in the top 3-5% of your actual role/position in the league. I don't know, this is just me.

Now Fev IMO is probably the best traditional FF in the league. I mean he has to be doesnt he after securing the coleman. Thats his job isn't it kicking goals. So he has to be Elite, or did he have a lucky year?

Now landing Fev and securing a premiership with or because of him would make him treasure in my eyes.

We have to be serious here. Both parties have vested interests and both parties need to be satisfied. How would you have fealt last year after Didak and Shaw were suspended and the Pies say "FFS we have had it with Didak, we are trading him. You can have him for a third rounder and Raph Clarke" I know what i would have said!!!

He's footy skills are invaluable to our current position.

 

[Axl the great]

Re: Fev trade

Give em stuff all for him. If they don't like it they can keep him or sack him.

he's not elite, he's just a good FF. FFS, he's been suspended by his own club for poor body language on the field. he's a champ when every thing goes his way and a spoiled sooky 2 year old when they don't.

How many finals have Carlton won while he was there?

He'd have value to us as a forward provided he left his ego at price fixer park and grew up when he came over, provided he doesn't cost much.

30 year old immature sulky bitch who's won club has finally got sick of his behaviour and people are talking about giving them kids we've invested 3 years into who are potential 10 year players? Get a grip.

People say you have to give quality to get quality - that's unadulterated crap. Closer to the truth would be another old saying "one man's trash is another's treasure"

ATM, Fev is trash to Carlton. He aint treasure to us but he could be useful. So we offer something appropriate in line with what Carlton can use. If they knock it back, stuff em.

The big reason as to why he will make a massive difference to us compared to Carlton is we have one of the best backlines going around, Carlton do not.
You can get by with a great backline and solid midfeild if your forward line is average, this is where we are at now, a key forward short of real success, and here we have one of the best around available.
FWIW i dont like Fev, he is a dimwit and a clown but bloody hell the bloke can play and it is a no brainer for mine, the club must get him, no question.

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

I doubt it's all smoke and mirrors simply because it's to big a risk. If they go through all this and he doesn't learn because it was just another empty threat they are stuffed. Also if they aren't serious about trading him there is the gamble of him considering his options and deciding he does want a change from Carlton.

I am certainly not for paying over the odds but as you say it's a matter of are they serious about trading Fev. If so Dawes or Goldsack and 14 would be close. If that wasn't enough I'd probably throw in a 3rd rounder. I'd highly consider involving Wellingham. Although I am torn on that issue.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Re: Fev trade

Ok, Lets say they let him go to us. Cloke would be the worst option to trade for him.
This is how I see Cloke and Fev playing in the same side.
Cloke would be playing more up the ground, and being the link man, kicking 50-60 metre bombs into Fev one on one.

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

I doubt it's all smoke and mirrors simply because it's to big a risk. If they go through all this and he doesn't learn because it was just another empty threat they are stuffed. Also if they aren't serious about trading him there is the gamble of him considering his options and deciding he does want a change from Carlton.

I am certainly not for paying over the odds but as you say it's a matter of are they serious about trading Fev. If so Dawes or Goldsack and 14 would be close. If that wasn't enough I'd probably throw in a 3rd rounder. I'd highly consider involving Wellingham. Although I am torn on that issue.

It's good to see we are on a level path here.

I was under the impression you wanted to get Fev at all costs.

I'm still not convinced the Blues are as "serious" as they make out to be.

 

[shawthing09]

Re: Fev trade

Not fev at all costs at all. Much more have a serious and realistic go. I think the problem with leaving it to the last minute is that you don't have the same room to crunch and risk being trumped well before you ever have a chance.

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Not fev at all costs at all. Much more have a serious and realistic go. I think the problem with leaving it to the last minute is that you don't have the same room to crunch and risk being trumped well before you ever have a chance.

According to TheBrownDog over on the Brisbane board, Tony Kelly told attendees at the club's BnF that the Lions will be Fevola-less next season. Take that as you will.

If we are the only suitor it makes our bargaining position alot stronger than what it already is.

 

[Axl the great]

Re: Fev trade

It's good to see we are on a level path here.

I was under the impression you wanted to get Fev at all costs.

I'm still not convinced the Blues are as "serious" as they make out to be.

Mate make no mistake they are deadly serious, the situation is now untenable for both Fev and Carlton, several players want him gone the board wants him gone and the embarrasment from the whole situation has sponsors nervous.
He is as good as gone 100%

 

[HFF]

Re: Fev trade

Mate make no mistake they are deadly serious, the situation is now untenable for both Fev and Carlton, several players want him gone the board wants him gone and the embarrasment from the whole situation has sponsors nervous.
He is as good as gone 100%

If this is the case, our position is strenghtened by the day.

Situation has become untenable, gone at all costs, Sydney, Saints, WB and as of tonight Brisbane officially declare out.

If we are the only suitor we can snare him at a bargain.