I reckon Collingwood improved when they started giving Cox better tog.
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I reckon Collingwood improved when they started giving Cox better tog.
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If he wanted him he would still be with us.
I don’t understand why many of you don’t acknowledge the wonderful performance from Cameron and Cox during what has to be one of the greatest periods of football. From a Collingwood Supporters perspective. Personally only 2011 season was anywhere near its equivalent. And possibly the 1979 season.
What seems to escape all of you denialists is that Fly and Co. in the end moved him on. If they thought anything of his contributions. Don’t you think they would have kept him…..
If (he who can not be named until season start) was as highly regarded and vital to our needs. Then another option we had was to move DeGoey on. He gave the club enough ammunition and reason to do so. But even with all of DeGoey’s misdemeanors. His value was far greater than that of the unmentionable one……
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“I could have (said he was going to stay),” D’Orazio told SEN Breakfast.
“But I think in the end – there was a nice conversation between Craig and Brodie – the coach and player. Craig, to his credit, looked him in the eye and said, ‘I think it’s best if you do go elsewhere.’
“I don’t know about you, but if someone said that to me and they didn’t want me, I’d probably look elsewhere – and he had great options to go.”
Hopefully this will help you come to terms with his loss……..
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The statistics don't seem to agree with you.
Mason Cox of the Collingwood Magpies AFL Games Played Stats
Mason Cox of the Collingwood Magpies AFL games played and stats.
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Cameron and Cox had their moments at diofferent time. Cox showed a lot more in the ruck than before he's an awkward matchup for many rucks and has good spells. but he still gifts clearnces with dumb frees and is pretty poor up forward these days,
Grundy was moved on because of salary cap stuff. If he was no the same money as Cameron or cox he would be still at collingwood. He is a better ruck than either.
I have no problem with people priasing Camron & Cox for their season. they had good spells. But they also had bad spells. To day either s better ruck tan Grundy I just cannot see it.
That simply not rating Ruckman at all, It's saying that Rucks principle role isnt that important, which is a valid enough position. I disagree but you're not alone. But Grundy did not spend much time forward at all he had the stamina and agility to play there most of the day, he didn't have to rest forward. With Grundy you could play an actual forward who wil be more feftcive than a resting ruck and chop out in the rusk for a few minutes,.
Cox spent a lot of time forward for what 7. It;s hardly a stella return.
The myth of why, he who shall not be named, was moved on was a lot more complicated than just for salary cap reasons.
Do you honestly think if Grundy was performing like Gawn had been these past few years. Taking marks around the ground. Tapping to his midfielders, taking relieving defensive marks and resting forward and marking and kicking goals. That we’d be here discussing him this way.
No.
Why we are discussing him is his want to be the Worlds Tallest Midfielder. He preferred to be on his knees than up in the air grabbing the ball. And the problem with that was. It really didn’t help us or his teammates. It only helped him pad his own stats. And that’s what’s escaping you. It wasn’t hard for Cam/Cox to be more value to our needs. They just did what Fly and Co. wanted from them. To help the team. Where as, you know who, wanted to play by the beat of his own drum. Remember earlier in the year Fly had to have a crack at him to get what he wanted.
Yeah the salary cap relief made it a hell of a lot more palpable. As others could also be introduced to help our needs. But it definitely wasn’t the only reason.
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Nope. I talked about the Grundy/Cameron combination not being as impactful as the Cameron/Cox combo. I can't remember the last time Grundy carried us to victory on his own back. Million dollar players should do that regularly. I think Cox has actually done this three or four times in the past 4 years. I get tired of the putdowns of this bloke. He has a genuine football brain as can be seen with his deft tap ons, deflections, soccering of the ball to a teammates advantage etc... In fact I don't think Grundy is a very intelligent footballer. He often lacked the capacity to sense the game situation and play accordingly. Cox has done this on a number of occasions. Grundy is clearly a more natural player but Coxy has proven himself to be a very good ruckman/forward.
As for neither Cameron or Cox being remotely close to Grundy with their around the ground play, I disagree. I can't recall Grundy playing a game like the one Cox did on the Queen's birthday last year. He was best on ground and swung the momentum of the game singlehandedly. Can you cite a specific time in the past four years where Grundy has done this? He may well have, but I can' think of a game whereas Cox has played several which are indelibly imprinted in my memory bank.
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Be careful Ronnie, if you make too much sense you might be tared and feathered by the Latte/Soy sympathists, but even worse than that, they might do it with flatulation and other horrible tars
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Pretty sure that wasn’t his call, Wright is the list manager.
My point was you’re making up shit, but feel free to try and deflect.
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No I'm stating a fact. You as per usual are the one with the shite.
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Then I await the link.
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What link? Are you this delusional?
If we wanted Grundy and he is the champion you claim. We would have got rid of another player or two to keep him. McRae and Wright didn't want him. End of story.
Stop being a smart arse.
Manager reveals conversation that sealed Grundy’s move to Demons
‘It’s best if you go elsewhere’: Conversation that sealed former Pies star’s trade revealed
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FJ, The denialists will never accept it.
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What does this tell you? Can you read? Am I still making up shit?
Try researching before accusing people.
Brodie Grundy’s manager has revealed the conversation between the star ruckman and Collingwood coach Craig McRae that sealed Grundy’s trade to Melbourne.
Grundy was dealt to the Demons during the trade period for Pick 27 in one of the blockbuster moves despite being contracted at the Magpies until 2027 on a mammoth seven-year deal originally signed at the end of 2019.
Despite still contributing towards Grundy’s salary Melbourne, the move helped Collingwood shed salary cap space and land its off-season acquisitions including Tom Mitchell, Dan McStay and Bobby Hill.
Speaking on SEN radio, Grundy’s manager Robbie D’Orazio revealed a conversation with McRae ultimately encouraged the dual All-Australian to move on from the AIA Centre.
“I could have (said he was going to stay),” D’Orazio told SEN Breakfast.
“But I think in the end – there was a nice conversation between Craig and Brodie – the coach and player. Craig, to his credit, looked him in the eye and said, ‘I think it’s best if you do go elsewhere.’
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You’re the one claiming McRae wanted him gone. I’d say that actually makes you the smart arse know-it-all. But I guess that’s easy when you just make up shit.
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Look at the last two posts before your one.
I await your feeble response.
Wearmouth provided the link.
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To be fair McRae doesn't say even "I want Grundy gone". I believe the manager, against better judgment, that Fly said things to help him move on but its not a slam dunk that McRae r herefore disliked him as a player.
McRae (like Bucks and Treloar) was being used to indicate to the player he needed to move on. He did it better than Bucks.
IIRC Fly stated he wanted both Grundy and DeGoey retained in a press conference heading into finals. By the same token that may be Fly saying what needed to be said for was good of the club. However a one off statement by a third party has less weight here than even that.
Grundy has been over rated as a ruck ( he is merely very good and not the best) and he got a stupid contract. None of that is his fault.
Grundys character is AFAIK unimpeachable and his conduct has been consistent with that character.
He was a popular player and Melbourne are rightly ecstatic to benefit from our botched contract management.
Maybe people find the man bun triggering?
Anyway this thread seems be running out of steam.
McRae (like Bucks and Treloar) was being used to indicate to the player he needed to move on. He did it better than Bucks.
IIRC Fly stated he wanted both Grundy and DeGoey retained in a press conference heading into finals. By the same token that may be Fly saying what needed to be said for was good of the club. However a one off statement by a third party has less weight here than even that.
Grundy has been over rated as a ruck ( he is merely very good and not the best) and he got a stupid contract. None of that is his fault.
Grundys character is AFAIK unimpeachable and his conduct has been consistent with that character.
He was a popular player and Melbourne are rightly ecstatic to benefit from our botched contract management.
Maybe people find the man bun triggering?
Anyway this thread seems be running out of steam.
McRae probably handled it better than Bucks, but but the same token Grundy also probably handled it better than Treloar.
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That's not true at all, i often see some pretty good and detailed posts from Ronnie. Grundy is no longer a pie. I can understand why a dairy farmer would be against soy and other milk substitutes. It's just opinions and they will differ from poster to poster
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Wright and McRae do not operate independently. It's different now that McGuire is not sticking his nose in creating mayhem and confusion.
The FD decided (joint decision between coaches and list manager) that, on balance, it would be better if Grundy moved on. That's not to say it was an easy decision but lots of issues and scenarios would have been considered in making that decision.
Treloar reactions were quite reasonable in the circumstances. To be told that his teammates didnt want him which was blantantly untrue. Of course I would be pissed if my coach said that.
If you believe the Treloar camps version of events. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Never suggested they did but I think some are overstating McRae’s role in list management. As you say, it’s different now than under Bucks.
Agree, the FD decided Grundy was the cost of redressing the salary cap. Could just as easily have been Moore or JDG given I’d assume their preference was to lose 1x top dollar player. But that’s a lot different than hyperbolic claims that McRae wanted him gone.
