Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[Mr.X]

Any idea of what the deal will look like?

All speculation at this stage, but both sides are confident a deal will get done

 

[Rich01]

A deal will get done this week.

Gibbs won't be playing for Carlton in 2017

Keep throwing them out there and eventually you will get one right.

 

[Mr.X]

Keep throwing them out there and eventually you will get one right.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Cleric how can place Bernie Vince in the same comparison and classification to Bryce Gibbs.
Bryce has more finesse and talent than Bernie could ever dream to develop.
Let's just agree to disagree on that one.
I think the deal will be close to a pick in the top 10 and 20 or pick 13 and 1st rounder 2017 and our pick 25 returned to the Crows.
It will be done Monday or Tuesday the frenzy will be unstoppable by then.
Otherwise we keep him.
Go Baggers

Have you seen Bernie Vince play ?

Very comparable careers .

Bernie has won 2 best and fairests (> Gibbs) and he actually won one of those in a good side

Both very good kicks of the footy and can win their own ball

Vince is basically the designated kicker at Melb - kick ins , ruckmen look to give him handball receives and is the outside 50 man with handball receives

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The 'right thing' works two ways. Carlton have placed a valuation on Gibbs and the onus is on AFC to meet it or provide a viable alternative. I say the exact same thing about HFC with O'Meara. Matthew Llyod questioned the other day why so many people look at trades as a win only for their club. You have to loose something to get quality in. If Gibbs isn't quality then don't go after him plain and simple. Just go get Tom Rockliff for a pick in the 30s....

So you think a pick 13 isn't giving up something ?!!!

You guys haven't even had a pick so good for years because you've been too busy winning

Pick 13 for a 28 yr old is a massive call .... and willing to add a best 22 player ( Lyons) or a potential player such as dear

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Bye Bye Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett and sundry other GWS players...or Pick 5 for them and enjoy whoever you pick up in the 2nd round....you do still have your 2nd round pick??

Unlike some clubs we have list managed our picks properly and can still trade sensibly for players who we try and recruit..
Wont be pick 5 and you can have Pickett, ..

 

[RoyalParade]

All speculation at this stage, but both sides are confident a deal will get done

Someone just posted on our board, this year and 2017 first

 

[Danger in Texas]

Someone just posted on our board, this year and 2017 first

Won't happen.

 

[Bic]

So you think a pick 13 isn't giving up something ?!!!

You guys haven't even had a pick so good for years because you've been too busy winning

Pick 13 for a 28 yr old is a massive call .... and willing to add a best 22 player ( Lyons) or a potential player such as dear

You need to stop comparing to other players.

Gibbs is contracted.

That is the difference.

 

[Bicks]

Unlike some clubs we have list managed our picks properly and can still trade sensibly for players who we try and recruit..
Wont be pick 5 and you can have Pickett, he can play on one wing and superstar Smedts can play on the other, be the VFL though...

Your finishing position on the ladder for sometime now says otherwise..

 

[Jeffcrowe]

You need to stop comparing to other players.

Gibbs is contracted.

That is the difference.

And hence he gets pick 13 as a starting point rather than pick 23 like Vince was

I've already taken the contract into account with my thinking to include this

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Brad Crouch becomes the player you think he will be then you don't need Gibbs.

How many good mids did the GF teams have this year ?

At least 6 or 7 maybe more

We need to add to ours not cancel them out . We have Sloane and Crouches to build around

 

[OnceKicked50]

So you think a pick 13 isn't giving up something ?!!!

You guys haven't even had a pick so good for years because you've been too busy winning

Pick 13 for a 28 yr old is a massive call .... and willing to add a best 22 player ( Lyons) or a potential player such as dear

Your seemingly missing the point. It's not what you or I think his value is. It's what Carlton is after and if AFC is willing to get close to that.

Haha "hear you go Carlton we will throw in players you actually on record saying you don't want also". How sporting of you mate!

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ed Curnow came 5th in the B and F old son...if you are going to be a smart ar$e you need to get it right but I know what you are saying and yes Matt Wright(equal 6th with Sam Rowe) was a handy player but our B&F isnt exactly a accurate guide on performance. Kruezer was in the top ten and got pantsed in many a game where his opponent was BOG so placings in our B and F are nothing to get excited about.

Except for when you played Port

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Your seemingly missing the point. It's not what you or I think his value is. It's what Carlton is after and if AFC is willing to get close to that.

Haha "hear you go Carlton we will throw in players you actually on record saying you don't want also". How sporting of you mate!

I'm not missing your point it's just your point is no good

There are many players on our list that could make Carlton better to go with pick 13 and if they can't see that well it doesn't surprise really

Lyons is terribly underrated by both our club and seemingly Carlton . I hope he shoves it up both clubs next year and turns it on

His champion data figures are impressive and he is a competitor

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I've probably seen 5 Carlton v Adelaide games in Melbourne in last 6 or 7 years and have noticed over the years that Gibbs consistently cops it from the Carlton faithful - usually very harshly with vitriol, especially in the losses

Can someone please explain what this is all about ? Is it the expectation that comes with being a #1 pick or is he no good ?

 

[OnceKicked50]

I'm not missing your point it's just your point is no good

There are many players on our list that could make Carlton better to go with pick 13 and if they can't see that well it doesn't surprise really

Lyons is terribly underrated by both our club and seemingly Carlton . I hope he shoves it up both clubs next year and turns it on

His champion data figures are impressive and he is a competitor

This is your subjective view it really has no impact on the trade. CFC do not want Lyons. They have asked for pick 13 and Cameron. AFC feels its too big a price to pay. So either offer something CFC wants alternative to Cameron or move onto Rockliff or even go in hard late for Prestia as rumours are that his trade to Richmond has broken down...

 

[Jeffcrowe]

This is your subjective view it really has no impact on the trade. CFC do not want Lyons. They have asked for pick 13 and Cameron. AFC feels its too big a price to pay. So either offer something CFC wants alternative to Cameron or move onto Rockliff or even go in hard late for Prestia as rumours are that his trade to Richmond has broken down...

Of course it has no impact - we are not here to do trades . I'm aware of that , I'm here to talk footy As you are

I think the deal will get done by end of Tuesday at latest , it will be uncomfortable for both sides like good trades are

Carlton need it to be done so they can keep pick 5 and pick up a gun like scrimshaw or brodie and also so they can grab marchbank / Pickett and Stewart ( before he decides to head to Essendon)

 

[SABlue]

This is your subjective view it really has no impact on the trade. CFC do not want Lyons. They have asked for pick 13 and Cameron. AFC feels its too big a price to pay. So either offer something CFC wants alternative to Cameron or move onto Rockliff or even go in hard late for Prestia as rumours are that his trade to Richmond has broken down...

No need to explain yourself mate. Gave up trying to make your point a couple of days ago. The art of negotiations isn't something that comes easy to some of the more vocal crows supporters on here. Most blues supporters that I know don't believe it will be pick 13 and someone like McGovern. Yet the crows supporters on here won't budge on 13 and Lyon that SOS has knocked back. You ask them what they are willing to move up too and you get no response. I live in SA and am surrounded by crows supporters. And thank god they have an idea. I notice a pretty clued up Crows BF poster Marty is pretty quiet on this thread. He seems fairly knowledgeable and fair on most things related to the crows. I dare say he is giving this thread a wide birth due to his counterparts.

 

[SABlue]

This is your subjective view it really has no impact on the trade. CFC do not want Lyons. They have asked for pick 13 and Cameron. AFC feels its too big a price to pay. So either offer something CFC wants alternative to Cameron or move onto Rockliff or even go in hard late for Prestia as rumours are that his trade to Richmond has broken down...

My mail is that the crows are too advanced in what they promised Gibbs to back out now. By announcing it Monday morning it makes it pretty hard for Gibbs to go back to the blues.

 

[gillo94]

My mail is that the crows are too advanced in what they promised Gibbs to back out now. By announcing it Monday morning it makes it pretty hard for Gibbs to go back to the blues.

What you mean?
What's been promised?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

My mail is that the crows are too advanced in what they promised Gibbs to back out now. By announcing it Monday morning it makes it pretty hard for Gibbs to go back to the blues.

What is this supposed to mean ?
In the end the club will put the club first before appeasing someone who isn't even part of the club - yet !

Being based in SA I hope you haven't been reading Rucci articles

 

[TheHunterCripps]

But we're not the only club that provides a value for him, it's not a difficult concept. We value him low because of salary cap situation and depth in that area. If another club offers him more, then that's his value. Can you understand this?

There is no evidence that anyone values him above average. Where is your evidence?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

No need to explain yourself mate. Gave up trying to make your point a couple of days ago. The art of negotiations isn't something that comes easy to some of the more vocal crows supporters on here. Most blues supporters that I know don't believe it will be pick 13 and someone like McGovern. Yet the crows supporters on here won't budge on 13 and Lyon that SOS has knocked back. You ask them what they are willing to move up too and you get no response. I live in SA and am surrounded by crows supporters. And thank god they have an idea. I notice a pretty clued up Crows BF poster Marty is pretty quiet on this thread. He seems fairly knowledgeable and fair on most things related to the crows. I dare say he is giving this thread a wide birth due to his counterparts.

I agreee mostly with this . As a crows fan I hope Lyons stays

If carlton don't rate/ want Lyons then the next step would be to offer up one or combo of Harry Dear ( who id hate to see leave but so be it if needed to be done ), Kelly , Grigg , CEY and even Wigg at a pinch

Failing that last offer pick 13 and a 2nd round pick ( if one can be organised by sending Lyons somewhere or more preferably for us the 2017 2nd rounder and we keep Lyons )

 

[SABlue]

What you mean?
What's been promised?

That the crows will get him to the club. This has been months in the making and a commitment from the crows that it will get done.