Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[DangerSloane]

If you want Gibbs, you have to play hardball

Blues will require 1st Rd pick and a player under 22

Thats great, take a rookie list player becuase you sure aint getting Crouch or Lever.

 

[moogerfooger]

Contracted player v non contracted player. Hands are a bit tied when it's either take what you can get or nothing and PSD

Inexperienced ex rookie pick v 200 game best and fairest winner.

Not very comparable

I was talking about the collective delusion of Carlton supporters but carry on.

 

[DangerSloane]

How do you figure that, only had to play hawks dogs swans and gws once each, double ups against a bottom 4 side Freo and another basket case in port. Definately was not 2nd hardest

And conveniently forget the double ups against West Coast, North and Geelong, all top 8 sides.
Port were 10th, hardly a basket case.

For reference you guys had the Saints, Suns, Pies, Dockers, Roos twice.
So you had 8th, 9th, 12th, 15th and 16th twice. Now THAT is an easy draw.

 

[DangerSloane]

Adelaide will get it done, it won't be cheap though. What will it do to our future rep in trying to get a player in if we commit to them, they commit to us and we fail to get it done?

Would be great for our rep if the other club are being half as stupid as their supporters.
Send the message that we're not going to bend over, especially not for our feeder club.

 

[Adz2332]

so did i miss SOS actually saying who he wants from adelaide?

 

[DangerSloane]

Since when does she call the shots for the Carlton Football Club? You're dead set kidding yourself if you think the club will offload Gibbs for anything unsatisfactory for the sake of making her happy.

Thats ok, then you'll end up with a McCarthy situation.

Paying him for the next two years while he sits back sipping a latte at an Adelaide cafe.

 

[DangerSloane]

They're used to dealing with our former management where they picked up sauce and Betts for a packet of chips. They even thought they were screwing us over for Menzel with #28 + Kerridge.

Now they want to try again. SOS is too smart for them.

Sauce you threw out the door, saying he was your 4th best ruckman. Shame he was actually your best by a mile.
Betts you had the chance to pay up for, and refused to.

Both of those are 100% carltons fault. End of story. Nothing to do with Adelaide 'screwing you over'

 

[DangerSloane]

where not forcing you to take him. But if you do want him you will pay overs

Why do you people think that being contracted makes any difference whatsoever.
If it breaks down that much he can literally sit out hte next 3 years and you still have to pay him.

Why do the clubs where players want to leave still think they are in the box seat.

The club the player has nominated to leave from are NEVER in the box seat.

 

[Blue1980]

Why do you people think that being contracted makes any difference whatsoever.
If it breaks down that much he can literally sit out hte next 3 years and you still have to pay him.

Why do the clubs where players want to leave still think they are in the box seat.

The club the player has nominated to leave from are NEVER in the box seat.

You think he would sit out of football for 3 years?

 

[DangerSloane]

You think he would sit out of football for 3 years?

No he'll sit out one and then Carlton will trade him, as did GWS this season with McCarthy.

Lets face it, hes no good to Carlton when you're paying him 700k plus to not play footy.

You can play 'hardball' all you like but you're not in the box seat.

 

[Mego Red]

Collingwood paid Pick 7 and a future first rounder which became Pick 7.

Collingwood gave up pick 7 and a future first for Treloar and a second round pick.

We can do the "which became" as much as we like; when that trade was made, both Collingwood and GWS would have valued that pick as approx 12-14.

 

[DangerSloane]

Collingwood gave up pick 7 and a future first for Treloar and a second round pick.

We can do the "which became" as much as we like; when that trade was made, both Collingwood and GWS would have valued that pick as approx 12-14.

Regardless, Carlton fans think we're going to pay the same for Gibbs that was paid for Treloar.

They are kidding themselves.

 

[Canada]

I'd be disappointed if we included any first 22 players - we are a mid light so totally pointless to include Lyons as we would still be a mid light. From his manager's comments he also has no interest in facilitating that trade anyway.

Honestly if our first round pick this year on its own doesn't get the deal done I'd rather we walk away and try to make something work for Rockliff who might be more obtainable (even though Gibbs is closer to the type of player we are lacking).

Ultimately he has three years left on his deal, Carlton have every right to hold onto him IMO. He has nobody to blame but himself. He could have easily pushed a move to Adelaide through a couple years ago when he was out of contract. Funny how he suddenly got homesick when we got better...

He got homesick because he had a kid and his wife's family in in SA. And it's a lot easier having two sets of grand parents and family around when you have a kid.
It's nothing to do with Crows form.

 

[Bell Ringer]

If it breaks down that much he can literally sit out hte next 3 years and you still have to pay him.

And your coffee sucks.

 

[Mego Red]

Yeah that was based on 2015 teams, no relevence to difficulty of 2016 Freo was a power in 2015 and a basket case in 2016. Redo that table based on 2016 wins see where it lines up

That is nonsensical. You're trying to redefine odds after a race has been run.

It was a tough draw. But that's before the games are actually played. You can't go back and say "look, now that those teams were beaten, that wasn't actually a tough draw to begin with."

Whether or not the toughness of a draw matters is a better question.

 

[Mego Red]

Pick 13 + Brad Crouch for Gibbs + 2017 2nd round pick (pick 20'sh) + pick 44

If Gibbs moves it will take a trade of that type of magnitude

Swap pick 44 for Cripps and you're in the ball park.

 

[Mego Red]

I know you are exaggerating but being the 50th best mid would mean nearly 3 players at every club are better mids which is obviously not true.

He would be the crows 2nd best mid if they get him

Also can't compare to a guy under contract to a guy with 3 years remaining, though that hasn't stopped every 2nd post in this thread doing so

Third best. Sloane and Brad Crouch before him.

 

[Croweater23]

Reports that St Kilda are throwing a spanner into the works of the T Mitchell to Hawks trade by offering pick 10 to the Swans. Based on that being a 'one-up' on the Hawks offer, pick 13 for Gibbs (age profile) is about spot on.

If I had to guess the Crows haven't yet offered 13 and Carlton are seeking 13 + a second rounder. They'll meet somewhere in between.

 

[Kramer1]

Third best. Sloane and Brad Crouch before him.

At football?

 

[Big_Luch]

Regardless, Carlton fans think we're going to pay the same for Gibbs that was paid for Treloar.

They are kidding themselves.

Its not the same....pick 7 Vs pick 13 is a fair bit apart.

You add Gibbs and you guys are expected to be top 4 next season which is 15-18 pick which again is a fair bit off 12.

The guy is an elite user of the ball, can play inside and out - just what you need. Your Mid1st this year and then Late 2017 1st rounder is really not the same as the Treloar deal.

If Gibbs pushes you into a prelim is this trade really going to break the bank for you...

 

[DangerSloane]

And your coffee sucks.

Thats exactly Justin Reid's reaction when Carlton officials suggested Crouch, McGovern or Lever.

 

[DangerSloane]

Its not the same....pick 7 Vs pick 13 is a fair bit apart.

You add Gibbs and you guys are expected to be top 4 next season which is 15-18 pick which again is a fair bit off 12.

The guy is an elite user of the ball, can play inside and out - just what you need. Your Mid1st this year and then Late 2017 1st rounder is really not the same as the Treloar deal.

If Gibbs pushes you into a prelim is this trade really going to break the bank for you...

This the same guy that for 8 years has copped nothing but grief from carlton fans?
Now he's suddenly a gun?

Also Treloar was 22 not 28.
To think they're worth the same is just outrageous. Treloar is the better player at 23, and still has 8 years left.

 

[Jeremias]

They are kidding themselves.

You equate the Gibbs situation to McCarthy last year, suggest Gibbs will sit out a year of football if Adelaide don't satisfy us in a trade...and tell us we're kidding ourselves?

Please. This thread was bad enough already without you here. Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[Big_Luch]

This the same guy that for 8 years has copped nothing but grief from carlton fans?
Now he's suddenly a gun?

Also Treloar was 22 not 28. (Treloar turned 23 this year)
To think they're worth the same is just outrageous. Treloar is the better player at 23, and still has 8 years left.

We used him poorly and every club has its whipping boys. If Gibbs was taken at pick 9 for instance we would probably have felt differently about his output. Would he not be your second best midfielder?

They aren't worth the same and as I said your two first rounders are not the same as the Treloar trade components. However you also need to look at the surrounding factors. Treloar was out of contract which sways more power towards the players. Gibbs is contracted for a fair few more years so has less power.

 

[Sin City]

DangerSloane is another one who seems to think he's actually negotiating for the club he supports. This thread was ridiculous enough before he started. Not off to a good start today...