Play Nice Bye Bye Brad [v4.0] - IT'S HAPPENING!!!

[Mav]

Listen to him closely. It ain't the first time he has said "We expected that". Doesn't it say something about his coaching that he can identify what the opposition will do but is incapable of implementing a plan to prevent it?

Remember the old “we were expecting an ambush” when Adelaide ambushed us in the first round? Yet there’s still turkeys on there that think he’s coach of the year!

 

[Roosurgence]

His three biggest issues are:

1. Too accepting of ‘role players’ with limited upside ie: Turner & Mcdonald

2. Always too willing to back his favourites in...how many times have you seen Mcmillan/Wright/McDonald/Atley/Turner ect dropped?

3. Inability to develop players to the next level. Can’t say he has developed many A-Graders in his tenure outside of Brown and Cunnington.

Cunnington would be a gun regardless of any input from Scott.

I’ll give you Brown and I will also chuck in that he has probably had a hand in Anderson becoming a better player.

But it seems these are more the exception than the rule.

The biggest issue I have with Scott is that it’s rare for him to bring in a young player with really good VFL form at the expense of some of his favourites. It’s also noticeable that the guys he does bring in our usually first out regardless of how badly some others are playing.

 

[Mav]

Cunnington would be a gun regardless of any input from Scott.

I’ll give you Brown and I will also chuck in that he has probably had a hand in Anderson becoming a better player.

But it seems these are more the exception than the rule.

The biggest issue I have with Scott is that it’s rare for him to bring in a young player with really good VFL form at the expense of some of his favourites. It’s also noticeable that the guys he does bring in our usually first out regardless of how badly some others are playing.

Listen to anyone at Hawthorn and Anderson was always going to be a gun if he got a good run at with injury.

Look at every player we have picked up through trades. They have all been gambles on good players that are injury prone. Scotts has nothing to do with their development. Jacobs is the best case in point. It took Scott to be holed up in a hospital room for us to find a coach willing to try something different!

 

[Roosurgence]

Still not sure what a coach can do about an experienced player like Tarrant sending the ball deep into our forward line straight to the advantage of two lone bulldog players.

Not much.

But he can also tell it like it is and not treat his supporter base like a bunch of morons. I find it disrespectful to make a flippant comment about it being another day at the office.

At the end of the day the memberships we buy pay this drongos wage. At least give us an honest assessment of what happened today.

It’s a common theme for him to give these pressers after he has had his pants pulled down around his ankles. He needs to step up and take some ownership for his role in that second half debacle.

 

[Carlos Herrrnandez]

Cunnington would be a gun regardless of any input from Scott.

I’ll give you Brown and I will also chuck in that he has probably had a hand in Anderson becoming a better player.

But it seems these are more the exception than the rule.

The biggest issue I have with Scott is that it’s rare for him to bring in a young player with really good VFL form at the expense of some of his favourites. It’s also noticeable that the guys he does bring in our usually first out regardless of how badly some others are playing.

I know for a fact a few years ago when Patch was playing like absolute shit Brad spent a lot of time working with him during the week to get better rather than bringing in someone else and giving him a go in the Magoos.

The “caring” nature breeds a culture of mediocrity that we have never broken out of. It’s why there are never any statements made at the selection table - and why we are never a real threat to the flag.

I didn’t think we would win more than 5 games this year, but my expectations changed through the year. And today was typical post Duck - the Roos never fail to disappoint...to disappoint.

 

[Mcarcherey]

I like Brad, I think he gives a shit about the club, he gave the club a sense of professionalism and level headeness after the survivalist years of the Laidley era.

But taking the emotion out of everything, he isn't the right guy to take the club forward. He's been given the resources he wanted when he came in, he's had a couple of contracts extensions during periods when there wasn't an immediate rush to do so, and now approaching almost 10 years with the club, the list is undoubtedly his.

What's the direction of the club? He wants us to be a good team and the team wants to play finals?

That third quarter indicated neither is the case for the coach or the team.

Sorry, but this season proves otherwise.

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[Zondor]

Remember the old “we were expecting an ambush” when Adelaide ambushed us in the first round? Yet there’s still turkeys on there that think he’s coach of the year!

Yeah and some of those Turkeys sit on the NMFC Board. Fancy giving this guy 2 more years with a year left on his contract after 8 substandard years on the back of a bottom 4 finish. It is these idiots that are truly to blame. :stern look

 

[Roosurgence]

Yeah and some of those Turkeys sit on the NMFC Board. Fancy giving this guy 2 more years with a year left on his contract after 8 substandard years on the back of a bottom 4 finish. It is these idiots that are truly to blame. :stern look

I guess it could be worse though. We could have Alan Richardson as our coach? I’m trying to be positive lol

 

[shintemaster]

The players did look a bit tired admittedly, made the Dogs look quicker than what they normally can be. Maybe last weeks heat affected them. We need 2-3 outside players. We need pace. Too many one pace plodders out there (Turner, McDonald, Clarke, Dumont, McMillan, Wright). All ok players but not quick and not able to get big numbers or have impacts from week to week. At least they'll have a house, maybe 2 by the end of their careers.....

(last sentence just a sly cheap shot btw, angry, venting etc..)

They were cooked last week. We should have rung in the changes this week just to get fresh legs in the team. At least 3-4 should have rotated, this is my one biggest complaint about the match committee and Scott. They treat being dropped for one game like a death sentence.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Leaving Daniels run around on his own for the entire match and matching up a forward pocket on a possession accumulating machine like Hunter was thermonuclear level tactical stupidity.

The only rational explanation I can find at the moment is that he actually wanted to lose the game.

 

[kingcarey1]

I actually think both Bradley and Christopher Scott are outstanding coaches.

Bradley is very underrated by this board. His ability to get his men to extract a digit and commit to the cause might be the best in the competition.

 

[Ry009]

Sorry, but this season proves otherwise.

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Im not sure how you figure.

Think of yesterday like a final exam, sure we did well in a few tests during the year, but the lessons learned should help serve us when it really matters. Yesterday we failed spectacularly.

He preaches development, but team selection indicates he wants to eek out wins. During match day he lets a deluge of goals rain without a response with stubborn faith in the game plan.

Our game plan relies on quick movement driven off the half backline, yet we play unaccountable half backmen, and 90% of our team have poor decision making and foot skills.

Our admin and football dept have left the club in a better position than they left it in, but they are not the best served people to take the club forward.

There's such a mish mash of ideologies at the club, its no surprise our player development strike rate is poor.

Praying on the youth coming good and bringing in top level talent is one of the same mistakes we keep repeating over and over.

 

[Dirty_11]

Sacking the coach isn't going to change a thing.

The club needs a root & branch enema.

It also needs 2 elite mids that can run.

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[Snake_Baker]

It also needs 2 elite mids that can run.

No doubt, but why wouldn't he bring in a running machine like Hibberd who has been getting plenty of the ball and just tell him to lock down on Hunter, rather than getting Kayne ****ing Turner to do that?

Hunters 44 would have become 24, we would have won the match, and be right in finals contention.

A truly diabolical selection/coaching exhibition yesterday.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Horizons_00]

We surely got to have someone different at the club at the end of Brads contract

I think he’s done well and improved on a lot this year but again when we started to drop games and injuries begun, he went back into his old stubborn ways

His inability to drop under performing or out of form players have always been his downfall and looks like that hasn’t changed unfortunately. Imo he stunts growth and development

We have still exceeded expectations this year but meh

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Brad: Just another day with my head up my own orifice.

But the good news is he owns a house, so is inviting JB around for dinner. Hi 5s.

 

[Clarke is King]

I find it incredibly frustrating that he refuses to drop players out of form, always “backing them in to turn it around”. I don’t know another coach or selection committee that refuse to drop players that continue to stink it up. Shit if we were talking guns then yeah I’d understand backing them in to turn it around but that’s not what we are dealing with at North.

I personally would like to see us change up our coaching lineup. There;s no doubt Brad did a good job coaching the list we had to repeat prelims but if you know anything about football you could clearly see yesterday that we aren't a side in a premiership window. I'd caution a guess that when we are next in a prelim about half the blokes out on the field yesterday won't be there. New coach, more development and more list turnover is what we need IMO.

 

[Benno_900]

I concede he is a good a tactical coach when preparing for a match.

But on matchday, he may as well sit in the stands eating a pie.

 

[Grogg]

Anybody ever thought that our game plan isn't suiting the cattle asked to implement it?

A full court press, to use a basketball term, only works if you have serious foot speed.

Trying run and carry through the corridor from the backline requires more than 2 turtles, an old elephant, 1 springbok and a couple of recreational joggers.

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[shintemaster]

I find it incredibly frustrating that he refuses to drop players out of form, always “backing them in to turn it around”. I don’t know another coach or selection committee that refuse to drop players that continue to stink it up. Shit if we were talking guns then yeah I’d understand backing them in to turn it around but that’s not what we are dealing with at North.

I personally would like to see us change up our coaching lineup. There;s no doubt Brad did a good job coaching the list we had to repeat prelims but if you know anything about football you could clearly see yesterday that we aren't a side in a premiership window. I'd caution a guess that when we are next in a prelim about half the blokes out on the field yesterday won't be there. New coach, more development and more list turnover is what we need IMO.

Yep. There's guys on our team you'd wear bad games in the hope it comes good: Higgins, Cunnington, Brown, JZ... these are guys that provide genuine structure and ability. They command an opponents respect and they make it easier for their team mates even if they're struggling a bit. There are others - without mentioning names - that we just keep in for week after week even if they're just okay players. I don't want to see a revolving door with the same players in and out but I do think it is reasonable to move a few at the edges even when winning. Settled 22's win games yes, but I don't think that we're a good enough team that we can't be moving 1-2 guys a week (outside of injuries) just to keep trying new things and keep the pressure on all to perform.

 

[tales129]

Anybody ever thought that our game plan isn't suiting the cattle asked to implement it?

A full court press, to use a basketball term, only works if you have serious foot speed.

Trying run and carry through the corridor from the backline requires more than 2 turtles, an old elephant, 1 springbok and a couple of recreational joggers.

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So much of this.

I think Brad has a game plan that actually suits say 12-16 players on game day.

The last 6 are bit players trying to fill a role that they are either incapable of or just don’t suit the needs required.

We play and outside game with an inability to play 1v1 and we don’t have the midfield depth or defensive attributes to control or get the ball back when the opposition gets momentum.

In terms of ability to defend 1v1
Tarrant - elite
Thompson above ave
Daw average - good intercept player
Marley average to above average
Macmillan below average
Wright average
Clarke below average
McDonald below average

When these guys have to defend 1v1 we can be suspect to opposition getting on a roll. Further to that they play predominately as proactive intercept defenders rather than defend first get on the move second.

Adding that there isn’t that much pressure coming from upfield so

Midfielders ability to defend a stoppage
Cunnington - above average
Jacobs - elite
Higgins - average - great offensively
Anderson -above average
Ziebell - below average
Ahern -average
Simpkin - average
Dumont -average

This then plays into the fact we have to play a spare defender so we can win the footy back. Which leaves us a short forward when we try to lock it in and repeat entries. And then as asked how the **** are blokes like Cunnington, Ziebell, dumont ever able to have the two way gut running of say Anderson or clarke. No way are they going to be getting contest to contest to utilise their “tackling” capabilities to hold the footy in forward.

So then you also have to take into account the opposition will have an extra defender, on a deck like Etihad with speed and space from the backline how the **** are our mids ever going to be able to stop that sort of ball movement. Then our medium defenders have a choice to make, defend my bloke or these extra mids pushing up and they are in two minds and get burnt.

It just doesn’t make sense Brad!

We lack two-three better two way mids not just outside players, players that get a mix of footy.

And don’t ever try to fix midfield problems by playing Ziebell on ball. Let him actually play as a forward pocket with the rest of the field being 1v1, and let him cause some damage on the ground, because a 360 degree stoppage gives up too much space for him to deal with and we carry a mid in the process

 

[Mcarcherey]

Im not sure how you figure.

Think of yesterday like a final exam, sure we did well in a few tests during the year, but the lessons learned should help serve us when it really matters. Yesterday we failed spectacularly.

He preaches development, but team selection indicates he wants to eek out wins. During match day he lets a deluge of goals rain without a response with stubborn faith in the game plan.

Our game plan relies on quick movement driven off the half backline, yet we play unaccountable half backmen, and 90% of our team have poor decision making and foot skills.

Our admin and football dept have left the club in a better position than they left it in, but they are not the best served people to take the club forward.

There's such a mish mash of ideologies at the club, its no surprise our player development strike rate is poor.

Praying on the youth coming good and bringing in top level talent is one of the same mistakes we keep repeating over and over.

i'm sorry but scott only wants to win, he only ever "plays the kids" when we're mathematically not a chance - virtually every coach (except those in extreme rebuilds) play the experience players to try and win every week. It's up to list management and match committee to push the case for playing the kids.

But you also seem to not understand that it's a balance of youth and experience - otherwise you throw in all the kids and end up like brisbane, suns, carlton and melbourne, left with a losing culture that gets the club no where.

"stubborn faith to the game plan" is not what happens when you're 5 goals up and then lose the lead in one quarter, that's 100% on the players no being switched on after half time.

I'm glad you made that point though because it's been VERY clear throughout this year that after halftime the players have more often than not come out with a new message that they've understood and executed well. This in fact proves your point totally false.

the admin and football dept comment is backed up by no evidence, you're again wrong with this and i'm not going to say why unless you bother to write an argument instead of making statements like that because you're emotional.

mish mash of ideologies - thanks for that evidence, really rams your point home.....and i love how you have somehow linked that with player development. such a rational argument!

 

[Arthur Cloke]

Seriously some supporters annoy me and are ultra negative. Brad has done a brilliant job with the list at the start of the year and we have had a great year. Most expected us to be bottom 3. With some big name players hopefully coming we will only get better. A lot of supporters are up and down like a flipping yoyo. Take a chill pill.

Why did we draft Dumont, because as Mr Scott said, “Trent’s done really well to break into the side as we already had an abundance of inside mids.”

 

[danj]

You're a loyal staunch young fella Jindrrk, so I am going to make the effort to educate you about something where your lack of years might betray you.

Do you know what ultimately wins premierships? Administrations.

James Brayshaw truly deserves the accolades for saving this club 20 years ago, but ultimately he is also the primary source behind the soft, accommodating club we have become that is holding us back.

The current regime simply lacks the ruthlessness to deliver the ultimate prize.

Ask yourself this, how would have Alistair Clarkson reacted to today's debacle?

Nail hammer head, probably in your top three posts I've read Snakey, however I would have only read about .1% out of a million