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changing your entire gameplan is not easy to implement.Especially one centred on an individual who is no longer there. I think this tear is an experiment and thus an unknown. Anything above say 12th really is a bonus.
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Carlton tip to come 13?
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My worst case expectation of us is 8th, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Yes I know other opposition supporters, and even Carlton supporters do not share this expectation, but why would I care?
I know we are good enough to make finals, and that is what I am expecting. I know we are good enough for a home final, and that is what I am hoping. I am confident enough in my own knowledge/observations/beliefs as to not let any opinions to the contrary bother me in the slightest.
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I actually think the opposite. Imo, it would have been of benefit if we had an easy start so that we could experiment/adjust with a new forward line/game plan and still come away with the win, and then hopefully have things set by the second half. Then it may have been a differently scenario to "matches we were likely to lose anyway" once we knew how to play. Doesn't matter anyway, it is as it is. I was thinking about it a few days ago is all.
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Agree, 13th for me this year, unless they have been fudging up to Round 1.
Good point. If you go through the teams who missed the 8 last year, there aren't too many capable of turning it around:
Melbourne: injury & inexperience will keep them in the bottom 4.
Richmond: at the start of another rebuild, also bottom 4.
Fremantle: can't see them improving enough to challenge for the 8.
North: a relatively young list, with the most talent lying at the younger end of the list, may well be looking at bottom 4 again.
Sydney: could be challenging for 8th position, although will need a good season from Bradshaw.
West Coast: finished last season strongly, but still lacking enough quality players to threaten for the 8.
Port: in a fair bit of strife without any real stars on their list.
Hawthorn: would expect them to be challenging for the 8, but their dearth of quality rucks & a weakened defence may hold them back.
If you include Essendon, who are going to miss Lloyd & Lovett particularly, but also the flexibility that McPhee provided, then you can see that a position from 6th-8th on the ladder is still well within our reach.
good points there.
you can't really see us dropping on the ladder when there is such little competition from the teams below us. The only bottom 8 teams that I can see improving to push for a top 8 spot is Hawthorn and to a lesser extent Sydney and WCE. I think Essendon will drop with the loss of Lloyd, Lovett, Lucas and McPhee.
Yes we are having a major change in gameplan but we are a young team and our players are going to be naturally getting better with more experience and stronger bodies. As well in most of our better wins last year Fev only kicked a couple goals and the likes of Carlos, Waite and Henderson can easily account for the goals missing from the last year.
Lets face it, we were missing our 2 best defenders for the second half of the year, which other clubs could still go on and make finals with such a loss? With Jamo and Waite back it strengthens the spine of the team. Waite is able to be that "x factor" Ratts refers to him as and swing from one end of the ground to another and Jamo takes the big forwards every week and beats them regularly. With them back Thornton and Bower are able to play in there preferred positions and not have as much responsibility. Plus Walker being back at full fitness to add more versatility.
I would think a finish of anywhere in the bottom half of the eight is attainable just with the natural progression of our young list, new gameplan or not
you can't really see us dropping on the ladder when there is such little competition from the teams below us. The only bottom 8 teams that I can see improving to push for a top 8 spot is Hawthorn and to a lesser extent Sydney and WCE. I think Essendon will drop with the loss of Lloyd, Lovett, Lucas and McPhee.
Yes we are having a major change in gameplan but we are a young team and our players are going to be naturally getting better with more experience and stronger bodies. As well in most of our better wins last year Fev only kicked a couple goals and the likes of Carlos, Waite and Henderson can easily account for the goals missing from the last year.
Lets face it, we were missing our 2 best defenders for the second half of the year, which other clubs could still go on and make finals with such a loss? With Jamo and Waite back it strengthens the spine of the team. Waite is able to be that "x factor" Ratts refers to him as and swing from one end of the ground to another and Jamo takes the big forwards every week and beats them regularly. With them back Thornton and Bower are able to play in there preferred positions and not have as much responsibility. Plus Walker being back at full fitness to add more versatility.
I would think a finish of anywhere in the bottom half of the eight is attainable just with the natural progression of our young list, new gameplan or not
- I can see us finishing above Melbourne, Tiges, and Port.
- I see us in the same boat as Freo and Essendon.
- I see us behind WCE, North and Sydney's rebound year.
- I think we are a little further off the rest.
sorry lol i know im an essendon supporter but seriously u and freo on the same level ? are u serious lol they are a rubbish team.
behind WCE and North Melbourne ? seriously just because WCE had 3 good games der not gna challenge for finals, same with NM, While Sydney are not going to go back into their '05 form just coz dey added another old player to their already old team.
behind WCE and North Melbourne ? seriously just because WCE had 3 good games der not gna challenge for finals, same with NM, While Sydney are not going to go back into their '05 form just coz dey added another old player to their already old team.
My viewpoint is based on 1) our fwd line restructure, and 2) our very poor kicking. Those teams dont have better individual players i agree but they have a better fwd line. Freo beat us last year too and we had a easy draw. I'm sure we will smash them on inside 50s like most teams...i'm sure they will smash us on conversion of opportunities like most teams...
If Carlton work out a transition strategy in the first couple of rounds I'd rerate us MUCH higher...until they do that however, they will fall over to a WCE/Sydney/Adelaide which puts us below thoses teams and with Freo and the bombers. agree, we rate higher than Freo overall.
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gO bOmBeRz is spot on. We're way ahead of Freo, Sydney and a bottomed out rebuilding Kangaroos, no question. A lot of people are seriously over rating West Coast, they have a talented young list and will get some good upset wins but a team that young is not going to play good, consistent footy for a whole year yet.
We're a good team that's well managed, stop panicking guys.
We're a good team that's well managed, stop panicking guys.
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Have to disagree here.
I don't think we'll be fantastic this season, far from it - but I do think we are ahead of all those teams you mentioned.
Agreed with us finishing above Melbourne, Tigers and Port. Would not surprise me if they were the bottom 3 teams in 2010.
I think we are significantly better than both Freo and Essendon. (Cue some Essendon trolls bringing up our recent results against them). Essendon, over the past year or so, have lost Lloyd, Lucas and Lovett - 3 of their better & most dangerous players, particularly against us. I know we've lost Fev and Stevens too, but I do think our list is better prepared to cover those losses than Essendon are to cover theirs. Freo are a basket case, and whilst they are on the improve, albeit very slowly, there's no way they are at our level.
I am not convinced by Sydney yet. They have had a good preseason campaign, but we've learned not to read too much into that. They are not going to completely bottom out because of their continued aggressive recruiting from other clubs, but I do think they are in a natural decline that will be softened by this recruiting, rather than completely avoided. They've got enough quality there to stay out of the bottom 4, but I don't think they have what it takes to make finals.
North are on the decline too, but Scott looks as though he knows what he's doing by embracing youth. He'll let his group play and grow together, and eventually they'll be a good team because of it, but not this season. Reckon they'll be similar in terms of finishing position to Sydney, maybe a little lower - but certainly a bright future. Not in 2010 though.
As I said in another post, WCE are really the only ones that worry me. Woosha is building a strong list and a strong team and they are certainly on the rise. Not sure they will overtake us but they won't be far off. Touch and go between us and them for 8th spot, IMO.
In terms of the final 8, I can't see there being too many changes, especially in terms of teams coming in and out. Essendon will drop, and I expect the Hawks to rebound fairly strongly and feature in September again, although if I were them I'd be seriously concerned about their backline and rucks (that's a discussion for another thread, though...).
West Coast and Carlton will be fighting it out for 8th spot IMO. At the moment I have us ahead. Just.....
I wouldn't expect Carlton to drop too far, if at all. 6-10th.
You have lost Fevola, which will certainly hurt, but you might have a better run with injuries [particularly to your defense], a year of maturity to a young list [as will several other teams, but some older lists will drop off]. Plus, the teams that finished below you - other than West Coast, Port and possibly Sydney - I can't see them improving too much.
You have lost Fevola, which will certainly hurt, but you might have a better run with injuries [particularly to your defense], a year of maturity to a young list [as will several other teams, but some older lists will drop off]. Plus, the teams that finished below you - other than West Coast, Port and possibly Sydney - I can't see them improving too much.
Just one question. If Colbert thinks that we are going to finish 4th bottom, would he please let me know which of the 9 teams that finished below us will improve that much that they will win that many more games than we will and consign us to 4th bottom. What a tool. If you watched "League Teams" on Fox last year I don't think that he picked Carlton once unless it was against Bitchmond or the rabble known as Melbourne.
Fev may be gone, but he couldn't get us further than Brisbane and why does everyone write off Carlos before he has had a chance. I note that John Ralph in the HSUN on Saturday commented that Carlton were beaten badly - by one point when the scores were level at the 24 min and the Crows got a rushed point just before the end.
Also, he almost wet himself over Tippet carrying on that he is the next superstar and that Setanta struggled. Excuse me, but Tippet only kicked 3 goals and so did Setanta. So where is the difference. Setanta was also rated as our 2nd best player. Ralph must have writing his report from some inside bar after listening to the "unbiased" commentary given by 5AD Adelaide.
I think I will make my judgement after round 5 or 6 when see how the boys have performed up to that date.
Fev may be gone, but he couldn't get us further than Brisbane and why does everyone write off Carlos before he has had a chance. I note that John Ralph in the HSUN on Saturday commented that Carlton were beaten badly - by one point when the scores were level at the 24 min and the Crows got a rushed point just before the end.
Also, he almost wet himself over Tippet carrying on that he is the next superstar and that Setanta struggled. Excuse me, but Tippet only kicked 3 goals and so did Setanta. So where is the difference. Setanta was also rated as our 2nd best player. Ralph must have writing his report from some inside bar after listening to the "unbiased" commentary given by 5AD Adelaide.
I think I will make my judgement after round 5 or 6 when see how the boys have performed up to that date.
Don't let our pre-season form fool you.
Firstly with our difficult start to the season and because of that we have little opportunity to try different things we may have done if our draw was a little easier to start with. I think the MC had a list of things they wanted to try in the pre-season and have ticked off success/failures.
Now in the 2 weeks before our first game training will be focused on our real tactics and positioning and decimation of Richmond.
Watching some of our pre-season games... I didn't see much intensity or interest.. perhaps almost doing a Sydney of past and not giving too much care into what the pre-season is about. In fact maybe after all our publicity this pre-season... bombing out early in the pre-season cup and not playing at 100% capacity just keeps the lid on our group and keeps the media away.
Firstly with our difficult start to the season and because of that we have little opportunity to try different things we may have done if our draw was a little easier to start with. I think the MC had a list of things they wanted to try in the pre-season and have ticked off success/failures.
Now in the 2 weeks before our first game training will be focused on our real tactics and positioning and decimation of Richmond.
Watching some of our pre-season games... I didn't see much intensity or interest.. perhaps almost doing a Sydney of past and not giving too much care into what the pre-season is about. In fact maybe after all our publicity this pre-season... bombing out early in the pre-season cup and not playing at 100% capacity just keeps the lid on our group and keeps the media away.
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What would surprise me this year is if those 3 teams between them can win enough games to make the 8. You need at least 11, and I see port winning 2 or 3, Freo winning 4, 2 of them against WC and North winning 4 maybe 5.
Nice try spudchamber.
We will finish around where we did last year, may slip to 8 or climb to 5, not quite top 4 yet, I think Geel, Saints, Bullies and I think the Magpies have injected a couple of decent players and should maintain a top 4 team.
I will be happy with anywhere from 5 to 8 and 12 to 14 wins given I think we will struggle until about round 8 and it will look nasty (and I may give this place a wide berth as a result) until mid season when we start to charge home.
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I see 7 teams almost definate to make the top 8:
1.Geelong
2.Western Bulldogs
3.StKilda
4.Collingwood
5.Adelaide
6.Brisbane
7.Hawthorn
Teams fighting for 8th position in no particular order:
Carlton
North
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Essendon
West Coast
Freo
Teams who can't make the 8:
Melbourne
Richmond
Given the above the Blues IMHO (without Fev, and Judd for the first 3 rounds) could finish anywhere between 8th and 14th position depending on injuries.
Obviously the 'almost' definate top 8 teams listed above assumes a reasonable run with injuries.
All else being equal Carlton will finish anywhere between 8th and 12th position IMHO.
1.Geelong
2.Western Bulldogs
3.StKilda
4.Collingwood
5.Adelaide
6.Brisbane
7.Hawthorn
Teams fighting for 8th position in no particular order:
Carlton
North
Sydney
Port Adelaide
Essendon
West Coast
Freo
Teams who can't make the 8:
Melbourne
Richmond
Given the above the Blues IMHO (without Fev, and Judd for the first 3 rounds) could finish anywhere between 8th and 14th position depending on injuries.
Obviously the 'almost' definate top 8 teams listed above assumes a reasonable run with injuries.
All else being equal Carlton will finish anywhere between 8th and 12th position IMHO.
Agree SC.
Just remember that old footy adage - you're only as good as your last 3 quarters. Carlton 10.12 vs Adelaide 9.6.
It is extremely disappointing that we are going to be without Juddy for the first 3 weeks because I see us needing about 3 weeks of his onfield leadership to establish how we are going to move the ball quickly into our forward line so that we can take advantage of our workhorses and talented smalls. Ratts will have to be twice as inspirational until Juddy is back
Defences are important but football is all about GOALS GOALS GOALS. That is why backmen that could go forward are often revered - how often do you hear praise for a forward who could go back.
The MC should be putting 90% of their thinking time into how we can consistently score 14+ goals - we did not win a game in 2009 scoring less.
14 is the minimum ask. Let''s say we allow 4 from onballers that leaves 10 for the forward line. It sounds too simplistic to state it this way but you have to envisage how you are going to achieve your goals
in life.
Whoever plays FF has to kick 3 - Carlos has to be told that is what we expect from him/why we have chosen him (but will be happy if he gives away/ sets up 6 and kicks 0).
The hard word has to be put on Eddie (he is ready for it) - you have to be the equal on the goalkicking table of any small forward and average nearly 3
Robbo, Yazza, Garlett - we need 4 from them
We are going to need more than 14 to win half our games. This is where Waitey finding his feet again and providing the x factor next to Hendo is all important if we are to equal last year's achievement
The MC should have umpteen ideas in their heads (as you should on match day in the event that someone goes down in the first minute). Plan B might be Hammo or Warnock or Wiggo in the square - on the track they should be practising plenty of options and building belief in the players that we are going to be a high scoring unit
It is about milking every goal we can out of our list
Defences are important but football is all about GOALS GOALS GOALS. That is why backmen that could go forward are often revered - how often do you hear praise for a forward who could go back.
The MC should be putting 90% of their thinking time into how we can consistently score 14+ goals - we did not win a game in 2009 scoring less.
14 is the minimum ask. Let''s say we allow 4 from onballers that leaves 10 for the forward line. It sounds too simplistic to state it this way but you have to envisage how you are going to achieve your goals
in life.Whoever plays FF has to kick 3 - Carlos has to be told that is what we expect from him/why we have chosen him (but will be happy if he gives away/ sets up 6 and kicks 0).
The hard word has to be put on Eddie (he is ready for it) - you have to be the equal on the goalkicking table of any small forward and average nearly 3
Robbo, Yazza, Garlett - we need 4 from them
We are going to need more than 14 to win half our games. This is where Waitey finding his feet again and providing the x factor next to Hendo is all important if we are to equal last year's achievement
The MC should have umpteen ideas in their heads (as you should on match day in the event that someone goes down in the first minute). Plan B might be Hammo or Warnock or Wiggo in the square - on the track they should be practising plenty of options and building belief in the players that we are going to be a high scoring unit
It is about milking every goal we can out of our list
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It is extremely disappointing that we are going to be without Juddy for the first 3 weeks because I see us needing about 3 weeks of his onfield leadership to establish how we are going to move the ball quickly into our forward line so that we can take advantage of our workhorses and talented smalls. Ratts will have to be twice as inspirational until Juddy is back
Defences are important but football is all about GOALS GOALS GOALS. That is why backmen that could go forward are often revered - how often do you hear praise for a forward who could go back.
The MC should be putting 90% of their thinking time into how we can consistently score 14+ goals - we did not win a game in 2009 scoring less.
14 is the minimum ask. Let''s say we allow 4 from onballers that leaves 10 for the forward line. It sounds too simplistic to state it this way but you have to envisage how you are going to achieve your goals
Whoever plays FF has to kick 3 - Carlos has to be told that is what we expect from him/why we have chosen him (but will be happy if he gives away/ sets up 6 and kicks 0).
The hard word has to be put on Eddie (he is ready for it) - you have to be the equal on the goalkicking table of any small forward and average nearly 3
Robbo, Yazza, Garlett - we need 4 from them
We are going to need more than 14 to win half our games. This is where Waitey finding his feet again and providing the x factor next to Hendo is all important if we are to equal last year's achievement
The MC should have umpteen ideas in their heads (as you should on match day in the event that someone goes down in the first minute). Plan B might be Hammo or Warnock or Wiggo in the square - on the track they should be practising plenty of options and building belief in the players that we are going to be a high scoring unit
It is about milking every goal we can out of our list
I think that during the NAB matches, Carlos handed off as many goals as he scored which is pretty damned good for a KPP to be doing
If we can get 3-4 goals a game out of Carlos, 2-3 each out of Hendo and Betts, and 6-8 goals spread out between Robbo, Garlett, Yarran and Hoops and a couple of goals from Smurph, Gibbs and Judd then we should be kicking winning scores.
Dramoth
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something about has his head firmly up his arse I think...
But you can see that is a big ask. For Carlos to average 3.5 in say 14 wins and 1 in 8 losses - he has to kick 57. Hendo kicking 2 in 14 wins and 0 in losses makes 28 - possible. For your quartet to kick 6-8 they are going to have to kick 30 plus each for the season and Eddie even more (should)
Here's hoping
What a crock.
As if we won't finish above Melbourne, Freo, North, Port and Richmond at the very least?
Given the Bombers' draw, you'd feel pretty confident about us finishing above them as well.
Can't see us finishing worse than 10th, and I'll in fact be dirty if we can't manage 8th or 7th.
As if we won't finish above Melbourne, Freo, North, Port and Richmond at the very least?
Given the Bombers' draw, you'd feel pretty confident about us finishing above them as well.
Can't see us finishing worse than 10th, and I'll in fact be dirty if we can't manage 8th or 7th.
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