List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[mochacinolatte]

Lever was coming off a knee reco in his draft year

Ryan Burton can be added to that list.

 

[Jeremias]

OK, my thoughts.

I am absolutely ****ing rapt with what we have done.

As per my posts over the past few weeks, I would have loved to see us pick any of Stephens, Ash or Young at pick 9. With them all off the board trading down was a great option.

I would have been very happy with Flanders - I rate him a top 4 talent in this draft - but there is every chance how we've done it will end up a far better result for the club overall.

I also wanted a bid on Henry and was surprised one hadn't already come for Green so happy to place back to back bids on those guys despite having no chance of landing either.

I was against taking Kemp at pick 9. I love him as a talent - he also sits inside my top 4 - but there are risks there and not just to do with the knee.

At pick 17 though? Yes please. Take it and run. It seems we would have been happy to take him at 9 so to get him 8 picks later and walk away with another top 20 pick is a great result.

At pick 20 (22 as it started out) I would have been very comfortable taking Robertson, his kicking is a concern but his overall game is very strong. I have him a top 7 prospect in this draft so as things stand right now I say someone will get a serious bargain.

Instead though we go with Philp. And I almost fall off my chair because I rate this kid enormously and I'm wondering why not many others do.

If you've read my posts over the past few weeks you will have seen me mention him as someone I see as hugely undervalued by most and a player I would be very happy to take a chance on if we do trade down.

So what do we do?

I have said time and time again that I am no expert when it comes to the draft. But in the lead-up I read a lot and try watch as much as I can.

I am prepared to be very wrong but I genuinely have Sam Philp a top 15 prospect in this draft, pushing the top 10.

He is a project player and far from a sure thing but I say he has the most upside of anyone in this draft class. I can't wait to see how he develops over the next few years.

So now we look to the rest of the draft. We have 3 more picks and it will be interesting to see if we move up or if SOS having done a mountain of work already, now sits back and just sees how things fall.

Robertson, Jones, Maginness, Williams, Garcia, Honey. They are the next 6 names on my draft board, with some other nice prospects not far behind at all.

The latter two seem to be the most likely to slide. If we can get either (or both) late I am going to be just as happy tonight as I was last night, though Garcia might be overlooked now we've got another inside mid in Philp.

It will be interesting to watch and see what happens.

Tell us more.

Tell me more.

Inside mid. Had a good consistent year despite being overlooked by Vic Metro, and looked to improve as the year progressed.

His work in the contest is sensational and arguably the best in this draft. Very aggressive, good tackler, and as you know, very quick. Solid endurance base to build from.

Outside game needs a fair bit of work, as does his disposal. Also not the cleanest first touch player. Clean all that up and we've got a serious footballer.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I totally understand your balance argument but it becomes down to how you rate the individual. For me I really rate players like Kemp but he could just as easy be a Langford or Philp a Jonathan O’Rourk. I would prefer Robertson because I think he is the better footballer. For me Robertson is much more likely to become a T Mitchell then Philp is to even become a better then average player. That’s just me though and everyone’s opinion is different.
I actually really like the look of Philp as a player but say if instead of us Port took him at 22 I wouldn’t be saying shit Port got a good one there. For me he is just one of about 15 sort of talents yet to be picked who could all become good players.
Anyway all things considered I’m actually very happy to walk away with Kemp and Philp even though it wasn’t my preference.

Yes but in September when cripps gets the hard ball who does he give it to, to spread from the stoppage? Robertson, Setterfield, Kemp? Let's say Martin or SPS are injured on Grand final day and Murphy retires. I am not sure Robertson wins you a final. Yes he gets you there but on the big day picture the burst players: Johnston, Harmes, Glascott Mcleoud, Borgoyne. Philp is that type of player

 

[Windhover]

Robertson seems to fall into the Worpel, Sam Mitchell, Greg Williams category of footballer who wins footy and gets it out to his teammates. This involves talents (body use, positioning, anticipation) that recruiters seem to under value.

I very much like Kemp and Philp and can see how their talents might be used. I just hope we do not live to regret not taking Robertson.

 

[Macca43]

OK, my thoughts.

I am absolutely ******* rapt with what we have done.

As per my posts over the past few weeks, I would have loved to see us pick any of Stephens, Ash or Young at pick 9. With them all off the board trading down was a great option.

I would have been very happy with Flanders - I rate him a top 4 talent in this draft - but there is every chance how we've done it will end up a far better result for the club overall.

I also wanted a bid on Henry and was surprised one hadn't already come for Green so happy to place back to back bids on those guys despite having no chance of landing either.

I was against taking Kemp at pick 9. I love him as a talent - he also sits inside my top 4 - but there are risks there and not just to do with the knee.

At pick 17 though? Yes please. Take it and run. It seems we would have been happy to take him at 9 so to get him 8 picks later and walk away with another top 20 pick is a great result.

At pick 20 (22 as it started out) I would have been very comfortable taking Robertson, his kicking is a concern but his overall game is very strong. I have him a top 7 prospect in this draft so as things stand right now I say someone will get a serious bargain.

Instead though we go with Philp. And I almost fall off my chair because I rate this kid enormously and I'm wondering why not many others do.

If you've read my posts over the past few weeks you will have seen me mention him as someone I see as hugely undervalued by most and a player I would be very happy to take a chance on if we do trade down.

So what do we do?

I have said time and time again that I am no expert when it comes to the draft. But in the lead-up I read a lot and try watch as much as I can.

I am prepared to be very wrong but I genuinely have Sam Philp a top 15 prospect in this draft, pushing the top 10.

He is a project player and far from a sure thing but I say he has the most upside of anyone in this draft class. I can't wait to see how he develops over the next few years.

So now we look to the rest of the draft. We have 3 more picks and it will be interesting to see if we move up or if SOS having done a mountain of work already, now sits back and just sees how things fall.

Robertson, Jones, Maginness, Williams, Garcia, Honey. They are the next 6 names on my draft board, with some other nice prospects not far behind at all.

The latter two seem to be the most likely to slide. If we can get either (or both) late I am going to be just as happy tonight as I was last night, though Garcia might be overlooked now we've got another inside mid in Philp.

It will be interesting to watch and see what happens.





Inside mid. Had a good consistent year despite being overlooked by Vic Metro, and looked to improve as the year progressed.

His work in the contest is sensational and arguably the best in this draft. Very aggressive, good tackler, and as you know, very quick. Solid endurance base to build from.

Outside game needs a fair bit of work, as does his disposal. Also not the cleanest first touch player. Clean all that up and we've got a serious footballer.

"He is a project player and far from a sure thing but I say he has the most upside of anyone in this draft class." Exactly the type you want to take with a free hit.

 

[Matty411]

This is sos last night to everyone at the draft
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This is literally how I summarised our activity last night to my wife. Got a chuckle from her (which is rare given she hates AFL).

If I'm a betting man, I reckon SOS is already in contact with the Swans looking at their picks 25 (now 27) and 32 (now 34).

Our 2020 second round pick would no doubt be on offer, which could suit the Swans who would be looking to add points for access to their 2020 academy boys.

Come on SOS, one final knock out punch

Judging by the obvious joy and buzz he got from the live trading/schooling the other clubs last night, I reckon he will do exactly this. Hope he doesn't push our future first out (will be needed for Papley if we go there again), but future 2nd and 43 for an early second would be fine if someone we loved was still there.

Just loving the Carlton hate on other boards. Shows we're playing the game to perfection. We're not here to be loved, we're here to be the best. F_therest

I was against taking Kemp at pick 9. I love him as a talent - he also sits inside my top 4 - but there are risks there and not just to do with the knee.

Instead though we go with Philp. And I almost fall off my chair because I rate this kid enormously and I'm wondering why not many others do.

If you've read my posts over the past few weeks you will have seen me mention him as someone I see as hugely undervalued by most and a player I would be very happy to take a chance on if we do trade down.

So what do we do?

I have said time and time again that I am no expert when it comes to the draft. But in the lead-up I read a lot and try watch as much as I can.

I am prepared to be very wrong but I genuinely have Sam Philp a top 15 prospect in this draft, pushing the top 10.

Keen to hear more on your thoughts on Kemp as embolded, J. I note you were stoked with him at 17 but what other risks are there? Seems another popular, incredibly talented and dedicated utility who is a positive, extroverted kid.

 

[Stamos]

Balmer has us taking Cahill.

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Will be interesting to see if the Master does any more deals.

 

[DangerousD]

One dimensional and not a great kick, they often slide. I think this is mostly because if they don’t make it in one role then they are a bust where a more versatile player can atleast make a player of themselves in a more peripheral role. (This is probably the worry on Dow atm)

I don’t see him as one dimensional but I see what you mean, I’m not concerned with Dow I this manner, I think he has decent forward craft and could be a half forward/mid if he doesn’t make it as a full time midfielder.

 

[Aphrodite]

Sums up last night ...

outline.com

outline.com

'Carlton was ridiculed over last year’s Liam Stocker trade but the cunning of Stephen Silvagni has turned one first-round pick into three top-20 players after another night of draft drama'.

Carlton placed an exclamation mark on the bombshell Liam Stocker trade by bringing in another two first-round midfielders that will further revitalise the club’s rebuild.
Departing list boss Stephen Silvagni – who would not discuss his future – unleashed another live trade by turning his No.9 pick into No.17 (Brodie Kemp) and No.20 (Sam Philp).

The wash-up means that Silvagni has effectively converted a No.4 selection into Stocker, Kemp and Philp by hitting the phones and taking advantage of the AFL’s new live trading rules.

 

[Arr0w]

I hope so, I see good value in doing a 1st round pick swap with someone in exchange for a second. If we are targeting Papley again, a pick around 12-14 is ideal.
Could we tempt a Geelong or someone in to a trade?

I’m all about needs tonight, a medium defender, small forwards

Why would we target a small forward if Papley or any other small forward is still a trade target next year?

Still best available for me

 

[I bleed Blue]

Really hope we trade back up again.

Dangle 44 and next years 2nd for a 2nd this year.

We were going to trade next years 2nd for Martin anyway so let's use it now.

Another pick in the 20s tonight would be awesome.

Get Robertson. Knows how to find the ball. Footy mind. You can't teach that.

 

[DangerousD]

Lever was coming off a knee reco in his draft year

And is still coming off one now

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Why would we target a small forward if Papley or any other small forward is still a trade target next year?

Still best available for me

Say you had picks 25, 35 and 55 tonight, who would you be picking for Carlton?

 

[Arr0w]

Say you had picks 25, 35 and 55 tonight, who would you be picking for Carlton?

Depending on who was still available, in order

Rivers/Robertson

Taylor/O'Neill

Potter/Cahill/Hanrahan/Honey

Or unless there is a huge slider from this list

List Mgmt. - Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

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[DangerousD]

Why would we target a small forward if Papley or any other small forward is still a trade target next year?

Still best available for me

As we saw this year, it doesn’t matter who you target, it’s who you get. I differ from your view a bit in regards to best available and I think in lots of situations, recruiters focus on needs.

If Kemp and Philp were deemed best available, I’m happy, I hope we have a few more cracks tonight and hopefully the best available or dam close to it, are players that fill a need.

A half back/back pocket and a small/medium forward

 

[Lovers]

I guess, I like many, get locked in on a player (Robertson) and find it slightly concerning we pick a guy, not picked for the champs, over the captain of the best side and the best player from the champs.

You should look at the WA squad and look how many players were selected and how much further out they are ranked than Philp, some of the WA squad guys have a draft range of 50-120. Philp was ranked at 28. Robertson is from WA and was ranked 3-12 yet not picked up by 21. Obviously his interviews/medicals/playing style arent appreciated. Philp is a bolter who was stuck behind anderson and rowell. Not to mention philps speed and contested play is harder to come by than an accumulator like robertson. If we chose robertson people would have complained why we didnt pick kemp but theres no way we would pick both those types of players

 

[KohPhi]

fell, freaking fell or is it fowl

Fell.. it's been fell from the gecko.

 

[HBF]

Petrucelli = 2.88 seconds / 20 metres

Philp = 2.86 seconds / 20 metres

That is some serious speed.

 

[HBF]

Some on this board were saying that we traded to pick 20 for de Koning. Not sure we would do that with our current crop of tall defenders. Surely Philp was the one SOS wanted all along, and must have had intel that Richmond were keen on him.


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This is what I thought as well. There is just no reason at all for us to select SDK.

 

[HBF]

That and all the pressure is off Stocker as now it's shared with Philp and Kemp

I tell you what though. We are going to have one hell of a midfield.

 

[HBF]

This is how I see it...
We are done with trading picks
We'll use one more pick to get a speedy small fwd and we are done
Pick Martin psd
Get some rookies, maybe Webb

A great trade period and leave 2020 picks alone
Well done SOS & co

Good summary.
Still keen to see how tonight unfolds with so many good players still available.

 

[DangerousD]

You should look at the WA squad and look how many players were selected and how much further out they are ranked than Philp, some of the WA squad guys have a draft range of 50-120. Philp was ranked at 28. Robertson is from WA and was ranked 3-12 yet not picked up by 21. Obviously his interviews/medicals/playing style arent appreciated. Philp is a bolter who was stuck behind anderson and rowell. Not to mention philps speed and contested play is harder to come by than an accumulator like robertson. If we chose robertson people would have complained why we didnt pick kemp but theres no way we would pick both those types of players

I don’t think you have seen Robertson play, if that’s how you describe him. FWIW Robertson in the best comp, with the best teams and best players, was judged to have been the best player, ahead of Rowell and Anderson. His game is built around uncompromising competitiveness and winning his own ball.

It’s clear that all the recruiters have knocks on him, it’s definitely not down to his interviews and I doubt injury (we picked a bloke coming off an ACL) but rather his game style.

People will always complain regardless, I have no qualms with choosing Philo if that’s what the recruiters deem the best option, I worry about Kemp though.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yes but in September when cripps gets the hard ball who does he give it to, to spread from the stoppage? Robertson, Setterfield, Kemp? Let's say Martin or SPS are injured on Grand final day and Murphy retires. I am not sure Robertson wins you a final. Yes he gets you there but on the big day picture the burst players: Johnston, Harmes, Glascott Mcleoud, Borgoyne. Philp is that type of player

LOB or Walsh hopefully. If Cripps is injured too I would prefer Robertson to take his spot over anyone else on our list.
Robertson is the guy who will be in every single contest willing his side to victory imo.

we do need more outside speed and run though imo and more so some quick small forwards

 

[HBF]

Wow, just wow.

Will post my thoughts tomorrow, but I go to bed tonight a very, very happy Carlton supporter.

Kemp and Philp, what a sensational result for the footy club. Looking forward to seeing what else we have in store tomorrow.

Fair play J, you did call Philp before he was drafted

 

[Matty411]

On Philp, any word whether he has forward-half capabilities?

Really hope we trade back up again.

Dangle 44 and next years 2nd for a 2nd this year.

We were going to trade next years 2nd for Martin anyway so let's use it now.

Another pick in the 20s tonight would be awesome.

Get Robertson. Knows how to find the ball. Footy mind. You can't teach that.

Would be quite remarkable if we overlooked Robertson twice (after it looked like we'd traded forward for him) then grabbed him anyway by trading up (again).

The poor kid looked distraught being overlooked so many times after being invited (from WA no doubt).

But I don't think he's in our sights judging by the brief inaudible exchange between Teague and SOS about him (presumably).