List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

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Coona Blues said:
It is a decent question, and I am going to answer definitely ahead of Lane. Neale with exposed forward craft is worthy of serious thought. I don't claim inside info, but can't help the massive standing Darcy Cameron held for years on the back of his underage performance in the west as a ruck/forward and the wait
he had to get in to the system and then get a few games.

Walsh represented Australia, albeit in a mickey mouse game as a 17yo and was played as an underager at NAB carnival. No games this year, down on the farm doing a bit of work while working a "cadetship" or whatever they called it in farm/animal husbandry. Did not have the benefit of much support other than, I am sure his father with big brother away hubbing. Despite still being lean, who knows what levels he would have attained if games were available. Very combative and follows up well at ground level, not unlike Matt Kreuzer. Dominant tap ruck who needed to increase his aerial impact around the ground in general play.

Who is to say he wouldn't have achieved that? He clearly has the work ethic based on tidbits I have seen. With TDK and Pitto, there is no rush on development.
I do not discount the link with his brother and the possible "insurance" he would bring, although firmly believe Sam is Blue for life already. Scoreboard impact is not a recognised trait of Henry as yet either. An underage ruckman would have rotated off of the bench rather than resting forward in his higher level games, just as likely to be lack of opportunity as opposed to lack of capability.

I genuinely like him and will be happy if we draft him. Would not be distraught if we ended up with Neale on our list, but happy to back in Henry on profile and need as well as his name.
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Nice summary. Look, Henry Walsh is a very good ruckman, but that's what he is. The question you need to ask is do we need a pure tap ruckman or do we need a ruck/forward type?

Because his ceiling playing up forward is probably similar to that of Pittonet.

On a side note, the difference between Neale and Cameron is that Neale more athletic. Cameron's more your Dean Cox type. Neale is more your Casboult type.

Really should provide a better comparison than Casboult, but the reality is he'd be a great replacement for him.
 
Ninja Worrier said:
I'd trade next year's first for pick 5 if Phillips is available...bird in the hand. Should be a good AFL quality player and cost a lot less. seems as ready made as any and while he won't have the immediate impact of a Merrett/Oliver, he's costing a quarter of those two
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So would I but not sure we'd get any takers.
 

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Coona Blues said:
I have no doubt that Phillips will be a player, just a little reluctant to add to the logjam of young mids we have. I have more faith than most that we have the necessaries on the list already.

I know it is a first rounder, but evidentially there is little not to like regarding Thilthorpe, bar his strange name. He doesn't have to be a generational key forward
or generational ruck to contribute hugely to #17 and beyond. An incremental upgrade on Levi in both roles would be spectacular. We have Harry and hopefully Charlie up forward, and TDK in the ruck, the upside of all three is enormous. Quality support all around is mouthwatering and well worth the expenditure. Would rather that than playing Pitto as a 50/50 ruck or an undersized stopgap while maxing out the pressure on TDK to ruck huge minutes. Surround them with quality, willing worker, small and medium forwards and we have an attack almost impossible to man up on.
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Wholeheartedly agree, Phillips is definitely a temptation but I think that replacing Levi is paramount. I believe that many under value his worth in terms of structure and versatility. TDK should be our long term ruck, Pitto is our reserve. We really need a ruck forward in the mould of Casboult.
I also agree with many that we need KPD types and ruck depth, but if we were to trade into the 1st round Thilthorpe would be ideal.
 
Riley Beveridge said yesterday in a video on the AFL website said that we were targeting a South Australian. I assume that would mean Poulter, Durdin or Rowe.

I really like Durdin personally, think he could be a steal in the 30’s which as we have seen due to recent trades these picks have been valued similar to a third rounder in an average draft. He reminds me a bit of Zac Fisher, probably slightly less clean but more of a contested player with great ability to pressure.

I rewatched last years U17 all star game to refresh my memory. I understand a lot can change in one year but due to no exposed form for some prospects make it somewhat relevant. Phillips and Hollands looked really good along with Braedon Campbell. Swans will be huge winners if they walk away with Campbell and DGB. They really need to ban these academies, they’re a ridiculous advantage.
 
Cripptonite said:
Riley Beveridge said yesterday in a video on the AFL website said that we were targeting a South Australian. I assume that would mean Poulter, Durdin or Rowe.

I really like Durdin personally, think he could be a steal in the 30’s which as we have seen due to recent trades these picks have been valued similar to a third rounder in an average draft. He reminds me a bit of Zac Fisher, probably slightly less clean but more of a contested player with great ability to pressure.

I rewatched last years U17 all star game to refresh my memory. I understand a lot can change in one year but due to no exposed form for some prospects make it somewhat relevant. Phillips and Hollands looked really good along with Braedon Campbell. Swans will be huge winners if they walk away with Campbell and DGB. They really need to ban these academies, they’re a ridiculous advantage.
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He's not as quick as Fisher. Runs a 3.15 second 20m sprint. To put that in perspective, that's slower than Matt Kennedy. He only tested average for agility too.

If you're only 173cm, you need to possess some elite traits. Not sure he has any. He's a very good junior footballer, but that doesn't always equate to success at AFL level against bigger bodies.

I personally don't see it, but happy to be proven wrong.
 
If McDonald was Victorian, I wonder where we'd have him right now?
There's going to be a gun or two in the 20's and 30's this year. We have two picks in the 30's.......maybe us? :)

Fisher is the cleanest ball-handler we have. Durdin wouldn't get close.
That's not to say he couldn't be useful, but he's no Fisher.
 
HARKER said:
If McDonald was Victorian, I wonder where we'd have him right now?
There's going to be a gun or two in the 20's and 30's this year. We have two picks in the 30's.......maybe us? :)

Fisher is the cleanest ball-handler we have. Durdin wouldn't get close.
That's not to say he couldn't be useful, but he's no Fisher.
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Fingers crossed we nail at least one of the picks.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
He's not as quick as Fisher. Runs a 3.15 second 20m sprint. To put that in perspective, that's slower than Matt Kennedy. He only tested average for agility too.

If you're only 173cm, you need to possess some elite traits. Not sure he has any. He's a very good junior footballer, but that doesn't always equate to success at AFL level against bigger bodies.

I personally don't see it, but happy to be proven wrong.
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If I was list manager I'd try and trade our 2021 Second, for 2 x 2020 top 30 Picks
Think our list is in good enough shape now to take a couple of risks :smilev1:

Would be stoked for blues if we could get
  • Neale (Ruck/FWD)
  • Rosman (KPF/Mid) Risk (Injuries) High Reward, could be the steal of the draft
  • Ginnivan (Small Forward)(Goal kicking Machine)
  • Durdin (Small Forward)
Rookie Draft
  • McDonald (KPD)
 
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Eiffel 65 said:
He's not as quick as Fisher. Runs a 3.15 second 20m sprint. To put that in perspective, that's slower than Matt Kennedy. He only tested average for agility too.

If you're only 173cm, you need to possess some elite traits. Not sure he has any. He's a very good junior footballer, but that doesn't always equate to success at AFL level against bigger bodies.

I personally don't see it, but happy to be proven wrong.
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Hey Eiffel, where's the numbers from?

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Blue and Silver said:
Hey Eiffel, where's the numbers from?

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AFL Draft Central have pdf with a one page player profile on all the noteworthy draft prospects. It includes some combine testing data, scout notes and analysis.

Click on the red text at the bottom of the page: "Download Draft Central's 2020 AFL Draft Guide Here".

You don't need to sign up or anything. It's free to download for everyone.

Link: https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/2020-afl-draft-guide/
 
swuzzlebubble said:
Was thinking J Hunter reads like a possible Cas replacement
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Jaiden Hunter

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Definitely worth a shot.

Would much rather us give someone like Hunter an opportunity than Oscar McDonald.

Much like Goddard, I get the impression that if we suffer injuries down back, we may not even play him.

Similar thing happened to Goddard when Weitering and Jones were injured. We opted to play Casboult down back over Goddard. What's the point of having these types if you don't play them when players get injured.

May as well go for a player within speculative upside who could become that replacement.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
Yep, seen it.

Need to take a closer look at who he's running past because there's some glacial slow players in the SANFL.

It's all relative.

He won't be zipping past players like that at AFL level.
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Look, everywhere I look, people say speed/acceleration is an asset.

Frankly raw athletics matter less than how he plays, and I like that
 
Blue and Silver said:
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ModernArtillery has done a pretty good write up on the Grundy vs Hurn game late this year. I tend to agree with his overall assessment on Durdin.

It can be hard judging some of these players because of their lack of size. Tends to make them a bit more polarising than most other players.

ModernArtillery said:
Team Grundy 12.18 90 def Team Hurn 4.12 36

Team Hurn

Bailey Chamberlain
Chamberlain wasn't named in Hurn's best on the night but I thought perhaps he was a little stiff to miss out. Despite being undersized and not overly quick he manages to weave his way through traffic and consistently hit short targets by foot. This is something that he has been able to show more of since he got his opportunity to play in the Reserves for West and through his school footy for Henley High. His flexibility to play on the wing and across half back and still find plenty of the footy suggests he's not far off a SANFL League debut next year. I think Chamberlain will absolutely develop into a top level State League midfielder who can accumulate the footy at a really high level.

Corey Durdin
Durdin had a few moments but I didn't feel he had a significant impact on the contest. In reality it's pretty tough for a small forward to have too much impact when the team is getting significantly beaten. Durdin did push up the ground for patches and got his hands on the footy firing out some sharp handballs to teammates. I view Durdin as a State League prospect but he probably fits into the draft as a late to rookie selection. He's a good all-round footballer but I just don't see him as particularly elite at any one thing and considering his size I think that counts against him.

Xavier Robins
Robins was one that I was really keen to see and to be honest he probably showed me more of what I already knew. He has pace and certainly finds the footy across half back but he tends to kick long to 50/50 contests rather than create or maintain possession through shorter, smarter kicks. I don't see him as advanced as some of the other half backs in this draft and I think that probably leaves him on the outer on draft day. He'll be one worth watching next year where I think he'll ply his trade in the Reserves for Glenelg and compete for a League debut.

Tom Powell
Powell was pretty good for Team Hurn and found his fair share of the footy at the contest and around the ground. He's another that probably just showed more of what we'd seen all year. Whatever your opinion of Powell, I don't think he did anything that would've changed that opinion. I'm still a fan and still think he has a good chance of being a serviceable midfielder at AFL level.

Tariek Newchurch
A fair bit was made about Newchurch lining up on the wing and I was keen to see how he'd go further up the ground. Given Team Grundy's dominance, he often found himself in unfamiliar territory at half back where I felt he struggled with his decision-making and skill execution. He doesn't look overly comfortable around the contest and doesn't seem to apply too much tackling pressure. Newchurch isn't on my draft board but I think there's a reasonable chance the Crows take a punt on him as a rookie and give him a year in the system to see if he can make something of his talent.

Brodie Lake
Lake was one of Team Hurn's best, kicking their only two goals in the first half. He's a nice size and moves well for a medium forward, although I would've liked to see him get a bit more time through the middle of the ground. Given Gold Coast's list squeeze I don't think he'll land there but I think he's a good chance to feature on draft night as a late selection (40+).

Luke Edwards
Edwards spent time through the middle and at half back and looked one of the better prospects out there. His outside game is pretty solid. He's a good user and makes pretty good decisions with ball in hand. He's got the agility and speed to create space for himself to then take the pressure off his kicks which I think contributes to his good kicking efficiency. I really wanted to see that dominant display and whilst I felt he was super assertive in his accumulation of possessions I don't think he has it in him to really cut apart the opposition and have that game-changing impact. I think he's a worthy selection in the National Draft but as a Crows fan I'd be completely understanding if a bid went unmatched.

Team Grundy notes to come.
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Blue and Silver said:
Look, everywhere I look, people say speed/acceleration is an asset.

Frankly raw athletics matter less than how he plays, and I like that
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It's interesting because his combine results certainly don't suggest he's got much speed. That's why I'm a bit sceptical about some of the vision available of him, especially knowing the SANFL is littered with more physical footballers who aren't the greatest runners and probably play more for the contest than anything else.

At the end of the day, the true test is going to come when he plays on someone like Plowman or Saad who can either put a body up against him in the contest in a strategic manner or outrun him.

There's definitely some eye catching moments, however, I'm not convinced he's got the attributes to perform at the top level.
 
The Return of the Paf said:
Are there any clubs who would be willing to swap first rounders next year so we can move up the order to get Poulter? I also don't know why we'd draft Durdin if Winder were still available, the former seems to lack the tricks you'd want for a small forward. I'd only look at him as a late pick or rookie.
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Quite a few clubs would jump at the opportunity to swap a late first with our future first.

Too much risk involved from our perspective.

Durdin's more a rookie option for me as well. Feels very similar to a Boyd Woodcock type pick who went pick 76 in the 2018 draft.
 
Eiffel 65 said:
Quite a few clubs would jump at the opportunity to swap a late first with our future first.

Too much risk involved from our perspective.

Durdin's more a rookie option for me as well. Feels very similar to a Boyd Woodcock type pick who went pick 76 in the 2018 draft.
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It depends who we traded with and if we are going to use next year's pick or trade it. I can't see Poulter lasting that long or us being able to bundle our picks effectively to move up. I hate the idea of settling on lesser lights, knowing that what you see is closer to what you get. Poulter has as much upside as anyone, If we have singled him out, I'd like us to be in a position to get him.
 
The Return of the Paf said:
It depends who we traded with and if we are going to use next year's pick or trade it. I can't see Poulter lasting that long or us being able to bundle our picks effectively to move up. I hate the idea of settling on lesser lights, knowing that what you see is closer to what you get. Poulter has as much upside as anyone, If we have singled him out, I'd like us to be in a position to get him.
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Twomey's fairly adamant Poulter will go somewhere in the 2nd round.

The reality is opposition clubs will expect us to rise, so if we trade in for a pick between say 17-20, we may not get anything back. The trade could well be a straight swap of picks. To do that, we'd need to sort out a future 3rd to have a complete set of picks beyond the 2nd round in 2021, but I'm sure that could be orchestrated fairly easily.

The other thing to note is that people in industry have been saying next years draft is very strong. If that is the case, it might be worthwhile holding onto our futures to give ourselves the best chance of drafting quality players.

I like Poulter, just not sure we need him. We now have a few taller midfielders. Cripps, Setterfield, Kemp, Kennedy and even Dow who's 187cm. Feel like we need a different type of midfielder. Preferably someone who's better suited to playing on the wing.
 

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