List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

[Bokan]

7pm - available to watch on Fox/Kayo

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[ferrisb]

Here's my latest consensus phantom. This take the averages of 16 different phantom/mock drafts:

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Unfortunately, it's missing some of the late mail phantoms. I just didn't have time to grab them all.

Notes:

• Winder available in our range
• I'd consider bidding on Brand if he made it to our picks
• Neale the first ruckman at 41
  • Walsh not in the top 50. He was picked in just 3 of the 16 phantoms (which ranged from as little as 25 picks, as many as 60)
• Powell (B70 rumour?) we would need to trade up for. Pedlar would be gettable
• Linked with Poulter - we'd also v likely need to trade up for
• Wehr was not picked in any of the 16 phantoms
• I can't work out if the shading is cool or the worst colour change since Michael Jackson
  • Was fun picking brown and yellow for the Hawks...
    • Childish, but still.....never gets old

 

[The Greek Freak]

Little bit of an article on Angwin who's name has been mentioned. Wouldn't be a bad prospect.

How a rising AFL star helped draft hopeful shoot into contention… https://www.afl.com.au/news/525242/how-a-rising-afl-star-helped-draft-hopeful-shoot-into-contention

 

[La Dispute]

Wehr should be available at Pick 78. Clubs aren't clambering for decent state players unless they are some of the best in the league ala Kelly, Ryan. Even Stewart pretty much went where expected.

Have a feel we will end up trading up slightly to grab either Poulter or Pedlar and trade our Pick 38 (or whatever it ends up as) to a pick in the 60's to grab Rowe.

Pedlar, Rowe and Wehr would be a nicely balanced draft haul, with a plug and play inside mid, classy small forward and pacy half back. Can address key position needs in the rookie draft.

 

[bmaurizio]

Have to be honest its the first time in decades i have no real interest in the draft and haven't done any research on the potential talent
Least whoever we pick will have no expectations like previous years

True no hyper excitement for 2020 draft, unless there's a surprises pick deployment, yet reckon we'll pick up a gem or two , gotta gut feel Austin & Agresta will do well.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If we're really keen on the SA boys, would we really need to get 22/23 from Crows?

Future second, 31, 38 for 22 & 23?
Poulter & Winder.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Wehr should be available at Pick 78. Clubs aren't clambering for decent state players unless they are some of the best in the league ala Kelly, Ryan. Even Stewart pretty much went where expected.

Have a feel we will end up trading up slightly to grab either Poulter or Pedlar and trade our Pick 38 (or whatever it ends up as) to a pick in the 60's to grab Rowe.

Pedlar, Rowe and Wehr would be a nicely balanced draft haul, with a plug and play inside mid, classy small forward and pacy half back. Can address key position needs in the rookie draft.

GWS linked to Wehr at 26

 

[The Greek Freak]

Future second, 31, 38 for 22 & 23?
Poulton & Winder.

Who?

 

[DirkDiggler]

Read somewhere we may still trade picks with hawthorn. Cant be stuffed chasing the media source. If that is the case would you consider trading picks 31 and 38 for Hawthorn's pick 24 and 49 which will allow us to have a decent crack at Bailey Laurie?

 

[BigBreakfast]

That's the kicker, isn't it.

What 17yo kid is going to opt for an interstate move if they can just ask to stay in their home state where they're able to catch up with their best friends and family every week instead of going weeks or even months without seeing those people? There may be the odd example, like SPS, who want to move interstate. But the overwhelming majority would almost certainly prefer to stay if encouraged to make their preferences known.

There are certainly going to be some kids who would struggle to make the move interstate, and yes, it would be beneficial for all parties if that was made known before the draft. But it leaves it open for manipulation by players who won't struggle in the same way, but would prefer to stay where they've grown up.

It's like the academy system without the accountability. Say WC and Freo have picks in the teens, but a kid rated at 5 says he can't commit professionally unless he's able to stay in WA. Unless a club wants to roll the dice on a kid who's said he'll spit the dummy if he has to move, then one of those clubs is getting a bargain. No matching a Pick 5 bid in points, they just take the local phenom for a token pick.

The draft system is already being watered down with NGAs, the last thing it needs is players getting to dictate where they go.



I'll roll out my fix for, I think, the third year running. Tie player control over club to their length of tenure.

First three years in the system you play where you're drafted. Next two years in the system you can request a trade and nominate a state, but your club is free to deal with any club in that state. Next two years you can request a trade to a specific club. Then after a total of seven years in the system you're a free agent and trades are no longer required.

Formalise that system and players come into the league knowing how it works.

If a player isn't prepared to abide by it, then don't nominate for the draft.

The reality of the draft is that it is a restraint of trade. It is rubber stamped and left alone by the system for the betterment of equity in the league. If it was ever challenged in court, ala NRL, it would not stand up and we would have to devise a completely different system.

 

[La Dispute]

GWS linked to Wehr at 26

Where's this coming from? Wouldn't couldn't surprise me completely with their reasonably disparate player ratings, but it could just be a case of making us jump and taking him at our first pick.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Who?

Mr Autocorrect

 

[ferrisb]

Read somewhere we may still trade picks with hawthorn. Cant be stuffed chasing the media source. If that is the case would you consider trading picks 31 and 38 for Hawthorn's pick 24 and 49 which will allow us to have a decent crack at Bailey Laurie?

Finally cashing in the O'Meara favour!!!!

 

[The Greek Freak]

Where's this coming from? Wouldn't couldn't surprise me completely with their reasonably disparate player ratings, but it could just be a case of making us jump and taking him at our first pick.

Read it on one of the media phantoms somewhere. GWS the only other team mentioned as interested though.

 

[La Dispute]

Read somewhere we may still trade picks with hawthorn. Cant be stuffed chasing the media source. If that is the case would you consider trading picks 31 and 38 for Hawthorn's pick 24 and 49 which will allow us to have a decent crack at Bailey Laurie?

Would be all for that trade. Hawthorn are going to get a top end pick, and won't necessarily value Pick 24 the same way we will.

Not completely sold on Laurie, but understand the logic. Otherwise that'll nab us Ford/Pedlar/other slip through and allow us to take another target closer to their range: Wehr, Rowe etc.

 

[Sin City]

Read somewhere we may still trade picks with hawthorn. Cant be stuffed chasing the media source. If that is the case would you consider trading picks 31 and 38 for Hawthorn's pick 24 and 49 which will allow us to have a decent crack at Bailey Laurie?

Would be alright. Get the player we want at 24, Pedlar or Poulter or whoever then at 49 it’s two spots in front of the Cats if we want to beat them to Walsh or we can look at a solid key position option like Lord, Callow etc

 

[La Dispute]

Read it on one of the media phantoms somewhere. GWS the only other team mentioned as interested though.

Could just be media putting 2 + 2. No doubt there would be a few clubs keen, but at what range? Selective leaking of information has always been a clever tactic to drive value in the hope you can shake the tree enough so the player you really want gets to your pick.

That's why our well known interest in Poulter is kind of instructive. Maybe we're resigned to him going in the 20's, but we want to make sure the clubs who are interested in both him and Pedlar opt to take Poulter.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Future second, 31, 38 for 22 & 23?
Poulter & Winder.

Don't think Adelaide would do that.

Trade would more likely be future 2nd + 31 for 23.

 

[DangerousD]

The draft system is already being watered down with NGAs, the last thing it needs is players getting to dictate where they go.



I'll roll out my fix for, I think, the third year running. Tie player control over club to their length of tenure.

First three years in the system you play where you're drafted. Next two years in the system you can request a trade and nominate a state, but your club is free to deal with any club in that state. Next two years you can request a trade to a specific club. Then after a total of seven years in the system you're a free agent and trades are no longer required.

Formalise that system and players come into the league knowing how it works.

If a player isn't prepared to abide by it, then don't nominate for the draft.

Your first line, I agree that the NGA is watering down the draft, I think it’s garbage and should go, I do however like the academies for QLD and NSW but I don’t see players dictating where they go, even in this instance, all I see is interstate clubs asking a kid a question and the player answering truthfully.

Come down hard on players who refuse to move or seem to not put in, but for clubs to build a strong team and environment players have got to want to be there.

I would have agreed with your last paragraph in the past but I’ve gone full circle on this, I love the draft and want it protected, I wouldn’t mind an increase in the initial contract length for draftees but after that, I don’t see why you get to tell people where they can work and who they can work for, I don’t see players ever agreeing with it either.

 

[Arr0w]

Don't think Adelaide would do that.

Trade would more likely be future 2nd + 31 for 23.

They have made it known they want to trade up as well as acquiring future picks.

They may do a deal with the Pies, get their 2nd 1st rounder this year, add points for Mcinnes, then hand over a 1st next year for points/picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds next year

 

[smashbox gill]

I just hope we don’t do something stupid with live trading

 

[Ollo]

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Here's my latest consensus phantom. This take the averages of 16 different phantom/mock drafts:

View attachment 1025082

Unfortunately, it's missing some of the late mail phantoms. I just didn't have time to grab them all.

Nice job mate

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[Aphrodite]

Posted at the same time ... *snap