Preview Changes for round 6 - Gold Coast Vs Freo

[dockshark]

We kick straight against the tankers and we win, it really is as simple as that.
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Not really that simple. They were superior in some key areas, but it was their run and spread that really hurt us. They looked more skillful with the ball as well, and harking back to the 22-15 thing is a bit misleading. Some of those '22' were rushed behinds and there were a few low percentage shots under pressure as well. Our disposal efficiency around the ground was not good enough to beat the best teams. They were more functional moving forward than us.....

 

[sumavich]

Sorry, three weeks, keep thinking like the GC game is upon us.

If we are that sh*t that we can't beat GC (probably minus Ablett) without Sandi , then we need to put the Fremantle FC into administration and go support another team.

All I've said is:
INS: SNOS, Spurr
OUTS: Anthony, Fyfe (injured: could only lift one arm above his head to mark after contact by Kreuzer)

Nothing major in there, some people just get upset when using the terms 'change' or 'mix it up'

OK Big boy. But if Sandi is fit, I say play him.

 

[jusjoshin]

out: JA (rubbish), Fyfe (surgery :-( )
in: Kep, Spurr Maybe

swap Sandi for Griff if (and only if) Sandi is fully fit and firing.

 

[valkorum]

Whats with everyone saying that Fyfe is out (for surgery).

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7009/newsid/134465/default.aspx

Ross Lyon says star midfielder Nathan Fyfe pulled up well after Friday’s eight point loss to Carlton and is good to go for Saturday’s clash against Gold Coast and beyond.

 

[Seppo]

Why the calls Fyfe in for surgery?

He has pulled up fine and Ross said today he is good to go for the Gold coast game.

It was stated when he got the assessment on the shoulder it would need a 'tighten up' at some stage. That should be around the Richmond game in round 10 so he can tie it into the BYE in round 11 so that's plenty off time without missing many games.

 

[Arcassius]

We just need one of these installed in his shoulders

 

[strobe00]

Whats with everyone saying that Fyfe is out (for surgery).

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7009/newsid/134465/default.aspx

Well... if Fyfe is good to go, then change from

Out: JA, Fyfe
In: Kep, Spurr

To

Out: JA
In: Spurr

With forward line to look like this.

HFF Balla Mayne MDB
FF Neale Pav Clarke

With one of either Pav or Clarke to remain deep at all times to provide a contested marking threat at FF, and to create some crumbs for Balla and Neale.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Why the calls Fyfe in for surgery?

He has pulled up fine and Ross said today he is good to go for the Gold coast game.

It was stated when he got the assessment on the shoulder it would need a 'tighten up' at some stage. That should be around the Richmond game in round 10 so he can tie it into the BYE in round 11 so that's plenty off time without missing many games.

Pretty sure it was said that he will need another reconstruction, be it now, or at the end of the year, if it is now, it will take him out for the year.... I think we might as well give him the surgery now because he clearly showed on the weekend he doesnt have faith in it, and it is only going to take one more dislocation to put him out anyway and in the afl hard tackles are sure to come his way.... might as well get it over and done with now and have him ready for next year

 

[Sman-21]

Because Fyfe was clearly worried about it.
Was standing off, trying to keep his body out of the way.
Only went hard at ball when it went right near him and was left with no option but to go after it.

Wasnt going after the marks he would normally go for.

His shoulder might be fine but he is clearly worried about it.
Having a guy standing off in midfield, not willing to put body on line sets a bad standard, others see this and let off slightly.

I thought we looked extremely soft at the contests in midfield all game.
Might not of been due to them seeing Fyfe, could of just been bad mindset going in to game.

If Fyfe is going to play like that though, i think he might aswell get it fixed, there is absolutely no point risking him.

Not saying he was crap, just a shell of his former self.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Speaking of Fyfe's shoulder there was an incident in the match were off the ball he was running and a Carlton player decided to give him a bump. Fyfe saw it and went to the side of him to be hit straight in the chest and fall down. It wasnt even a big bump just one of those push and shove ones. If he's not confident enought to do that he should not be playing.

 

[salim malik]

Pretty sure it was said that he will need another reconstruction, be it now, or at the end of the year, if it is now, it will take him out for the year.... I think we might as well give him the surgery now because he clearly showed on the weekend he doesnt have faith in it, and it is only going to take one more dislocation to put him out anyway and in the afl hard tackles are sure to come his way.... might as well get it over and done with now and have him ready for next year

Fyfe,Lyon and the club doctors dont agree with you ,Fyfe has said he wants to play,is confident in the shoulder,he got through last season and was one of our best with the same problem.Am pretty sure he will need some tightening in the shoulder either during or after the season not a full recon

 

[leeloo]

12 pages and not one post from a GC poster? It just doesn't feel right.

If fit I would like to see Sandi playing, structures need working.

 

[yakka man]

Sandi is 50/50 to play.

 

[Seppo]

Salim, did you manage to catch the session this morning?

Any changes from the AFL/WAFL/Rehab groups?

 

[blue shark]

Does any one know if Roberton has ever played in the forward line as a junior, or seen him kicking at goals in training?
Would he be better in the forward line than Anthony, Deboer, Keps?
Obviously has a defensive mindset, and good running capacity.

 

[Seppo]

Does any one know if Roberton has ever played in the forward line as a junior, or seen him kicking at goals in training?
Would he be better in the forward line than Anthony, Deboer, Keps?
Obviously has a defensive mindset, and good running capacity.

The only time i have seen Roberton play near the forward line was against Port last year in round 9. Scored 2 goals off 9 disposals and set up one other for Palmer/Pav IIRC. He's more the HFF type, downside is a quick rebounder can hurt him the other way as he lacks pace.

 

[Nickos66]

Does any one know if Roberton has ever played in the forward line as a junior, or seen him kicking at goals in training?
Would he be better in the forward line than Anthony, Deboer, Keps?
Obviously has a defensive mindset, and good running capacity.

Pretty sure he'd be more useful than JA up forward.

 

[Gero _ Hendo]

hoping JA just steps up and gets back to his 2009 form. it's all upto him as there's a position for him if he fires. also once we are done nobody will take a risk... I'm sure Ross will play him this weekend...

 

[freoextra]

Sounds to me that Roberton is the one that is impressing Lyon over the last few weeks.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Out: (in order of 'preference', not that I have such a thing when it comes to omits from our current team)
1. Anthony (omit, really needs to get confidence back in the WAFL, would love to see him played as a KPD instead of a forward, needs to just show he can work hard and trust his kicking skills instead of doing stupid play on panic BS like he did against Carltank. Largely Hill's fault he played on, hope Hilly learns from that and looks around a bit before calling for the ball next time. No excuse for JA's subsequent dumb free or out on the full though, an experienced AFL player needs to be better than that, especially on the coin Jack is on...)
2. One of Barlow or Mundy - Barlow looked to me to get a knock to the leg in the Saints game, and his kicking is shot to shit - Mundy really struggled to get through both the Saints and Carltank games. One needs to be rested this week, if only to save the stress of the trip over and back.
3. Fyfe - just too important to risk against GC on the road. Clearly favouring his shoulder, IMHO, not marking above shoulder level at all, and needs to either be put in for surgery or put into cotton wool and only played as a very outside forward pocket. Which would I would think defeat the whole point of his magical impact on the game... We need to get another 10 years of excellence out of him, not 102 games of painful struggle.

Ins: in order - Sandi can wait at least another week, if only to save him from having to try to cram into those crAppy Vergen Bleu aircraft seats made for light weight small shouldered tiny legged short arse short people.

1. Kep - currently our best KPF after Pav, has produced regularly on the road, especially against smaller defenders (GC are undersized in the backline at present due to injury), and his knees seem to be holding up OK so far (they seem to deteriorate earlier every year lately) so lets bring him in for a game.
2. Spur - start him, and have Neale still as the sub. Neale injects pace and sheer bloody short-arse gumption (plus makes the defenders think there are two Frodos out there!!) when injected for either Barlow/Mundy (whichever is not rested) or for Spurr if (to my surprise) Spurr can't hack it at AFL level. I actually reckon Spurr should be able to play a whole game out in a key defending role, freeing up Broughts for more of a midfield role.
3. Van Berlo - full game in the defensive half forward flanker role. He has been in decent WAFL form and has enough familiarity with the forward line structures to be able to slot in as the defensive forward, freeing up De Pig to play more midfield in and under, which might partially offset a bit of the effect of the loss of either Barlow or Mundy. Baby van Berlo has also shown he can kick a few goals against smallish defenders.

In two or three weeks time, after another few WAFL performances, I'd hope Crozier, Walters or Sutcliffe could at least be in serious contention for this role.

Ideally, I'd like to see us rotating the resting of Barlow and Mundy through until at least round 14 - giving each of them a chance to gradually build full match fitness instead of rushing them back too soon. And by round 14 we should have another rookie available (JKW, Roberts or SHoff) - plus Mora back to the point where he can play a game or two as the sub...

I'd name Roberton for the defensive forward role except I think he is better developed (given his lack of kicking depth from set shots) as a pure defender - a sweeper type to either fill in for Duffield/MJ if injury strikes or to succeed McPhee when age takes its toll...

 

[Sman-21]

Lyon was talking up Roberton as soon as he got the coaching job, mentioning him as 1 of our very good younger players, must really rate him.

No Roberton would not do better than Anthony, Keps etc up forward.
Not a strong mark, so if key forwards arent taking marks, at the very least they must crash the packs and bring ball to ground.
Anthony while not taking enough marks is atleast crashing the packs, ofcourse due to us never having samll forwards there to pick up scraps it achieves nothing.

IMO Anthony has tried hard all season, for no reward.
Saw good signs against St kilda, leading to space and midfielders getting it to him.
Was starting to think here we go, wont star but will be handy.
Then he has a shocker at subi.

With Lyon still trying to set acceptable standards for players, unless Anthony was really sick he will be dropped.

I think Anthony is our best option as FF and would like to see him persisted with.
Trouble is when serving up crap like that, unless theres a damn good excuse, you must be dropped.

 

[FreoRicci]

Lyon was talking up Roberton as soon as he got the coaching job, mentioning him as 1 of our very good younger players, must really rate him.

No Roberton would not do better than Anthony, Keps etc up forward.
Not a strong mark, so if key forwards arent taking marks, at the very least they must crash the packs and bring ball to ground.
Anthony while not taking enough marks is atleast crashing the packs, ofcourse due to us never having samll forwards there to pick up scraps it achieves nothing.

IMO Anthony has tried hard all season, for no reward.
Saw good signs against St kilda, leading to space and midfielders getting it to him.
Was starting to think here we go, wont star but will be handy.
Then he has a shocker at subi.

With Lyon still trying to set acceptable standards for players, unless Anthony was really sick he will be dropped.

I think Anthony is our best option as FF and would like to see him persisted with.
Trouble is when serving up crap like that, unless theres a damn good excuse, you must be dropped.

Solid post. Was going to say the same thing. JA has had a positive pre season by the look of things, and has really worked hard. It's unfair he is the typical scapegoat when MJ, McPhee etc. continously got games in worst form. Give Jack a chance for redemption, leave him in FF and have Ballas up there with him to feed off the crumbs (any chance of bringing in Farmer from premature retirement). I thought the signs were positive against St Kilda, got in hard, put on good pressure which resulted in Freo goals. He is a good kick, and leads well so the midfield really need to move the ball quicker and with speed. Kepler Bradley, personally, doesn't work as hard off the ball and seems to struggle to mark under pressure.

With the Barlow and Mundy issue, these guys have been in the system for a while now (Mundy since 2005) so I think a few more games to get match fit as well as confident is all they need instead of rotation, it will only shunt the comeback. Barlow have slowly worked his way through, he is our key inside midfielder. Just need to work on that kicking..

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

well fyfe is a definite out now

 

[jusjoshin]

dammit, my gut said he was going under the knife.

He's earning the nickname "Knyfe" for entirely the wrong reason.

 

[Lach72]

Ablett officially out this week.